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Academies and the salary cap
Discussion started by bigbitty , 26 January, 2020 08:24
Academies and the salary cap
bigbitty 26 January, 2020 08:24
There is a letter in today's Telegraph that makes what seems to be a very good suggestion - that the salary cap should only be applied to "imports", and not to any player that has come through the academy system.

If that player then moves to another club he has to be included in the salary cap. Sounds like a good idea to me.

Re: Academies and the salary cap
Margin_Walker 26 January, 2020 08:28
Doesn't sound like a great idea for teams like us who struggle to retain their best academy players. Can see the attraction for more successful teams.

Re: Academies and the salary cap
bigbitty 26 January, 2020 08:39
I was thinking that academy players would be paid a bit more, hence reducing the desire to move.

Re: Academies and the salary cap
Nick4219 26 January, 2020 08:41
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Margin_Walker
Doesn't sound like a great idea for teams like us who struggle to retain their best academy players. Can see the attraction for more successful teams.

I think the idea is to put clubs off with poor academies taking the best talent from another clubs academy as there will be a financial impact on them to do it.

Where has that happened before?

Re: Academies and the salary cap
Margin_Walker 26 January, 2020 08:42
Yeah, perhaps. The attraction of challenging for honours would always be hard to combat though whilst we are a bottom half of the table team / relegation threat. Not always all about money.

Whatever they do I think there has to be an improved compensation arrangement for losing players below a certain age.

Re: Academies and the salary cap
GHA 26 January, 2020 08:45
A proper definition of 'coming through the Academy' would be needed because a lot of chat about Saracens Academy players seemed to be slightly smoke and mirrors

Re: Academies and the salary cap
Nick4219 26 January, 2020 08:55
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Margin_Walker
Yeah, perhaps. The attraction of challenging for honours would always be hard to combat though whilst we are a bottom half of the table team / relegation threat. Not always all about money.
Whatever they do I think there has to be an improved compensation arrangement for losing players below a certain age.

Maybe rules that academy raised players must fulfill a first contract of 2-3 years with their host club before others can even approach them? And maybe some sort of financial reimbursement based on first team appearances/international call ups to factor in the loss of prospects like Big Joe.

Re: Academies and the salary cap
Foggy-Balla 26 January, 2020 09:08
Or could it be weíre a bottom half of the table/relegation threat team because others have been somewhat ahem careless ahem with salary cap administration?



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Re: Academies and the salary cap
Nick4219 26 January, 2020 09:41
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Foggy-Balla
Or could it be weíre a bottom half of the table/relegation threat team because others have been somewhat ahem careless ahem with salary cap administration?

Or if we had kept hold of the likes of Cokanasiga, Joseph and Watson. That would be some selection in the backs with Rona, Hepetema, Loader and Nahalo.



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Re: Academies and the salary cap
exile_pete 26 January, 2020 21:39
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Nick4219
Or if we had kept hold of the likes of Cokanasiga, Joseph and Watson. That would be some selection in the backs with Rona, Hepetema, Loader and Nahalo.

If we'd kept hold of those three, there would possibly have been no need to sign Rona, Hepetema & Naholo

Re: Academies and the salary cap
Gray_Lensman 27 January, 2020 12:01
Why are RFU academies attached to clubs in the first place? Leedshire still have one despite almost certain relegation from the Championship. You could make a case for academies to be divorced from the clubs and instituting some sort of 'draft' system.

Re: Academies and the salary cap
ExiledChameleon 27 January, 2020 14:08
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Gray_Lensman
Why are RFU academies attached to clubs in the first place? Leedshire still have one despite almost certain relegation from the Championship. You could make a case for academies to be divorced from the clubs and instituting some sort of 'draft' system.

Because bar Yorkshire the clubs operate and allocate differing levels of funding to their academies, and hence are largely responsible for the output? What a ridiculous post.

Re: Academies and the salary cap
Nick4219 27 January, 2020 18:20
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Gray_Lensman
Why are RFU academies attached to clubs in the first place? Leedshire still have one despite almost certain relegation from the Championship. You could make a case for academies to be divorced from the clubs and instituting some sort of 'draft' system.

I donít think the draft system would work as the current academy set up means clubs choose to invest or not in producing academy players for their first teams. To have your best nurtured academy talent to be picked up by a lesser club if the draft worked similar to the NFL style one would be a bit of a pointless exercise.

We are much better off having a no approach rule for the first 2-3 years of an academy star getting a pro contract and a period after that where if they are signed by another club, compensation is paid in relation to how many first team appearances were made and if they got any international call ups.

Maybe the academy players that donít get offered contracts could then maybe go in to some sort of draft process as the host club hasnít seen enough to offer a contract.

Re: Academies and the salary cap
Nick4219 31 January, 2020 08:15
[www.mynersreview.co.uk]

A link to the public consultation survey for the Myners review if anyone is interested in submitting their ideas/views.

Takes about half an hour

Re: Academies and the salary cap
Monkey1 05 February, 2020 12:50
The Saracens academy is praised by many, but in reality they just buy in the most talented players at an early age, hence their team is stuffed with either England internationals, or England U20 players. As long as these players would be classed as imports then this idea will work. If however they just have to spend 2 or 3 years going through the academy it will become a farce.

As far as I am concerned, a genuine academy player is somebody who has been initially 'discovered' by that club's academy from within that academy's catchment area, not somebody bought in from 200 miles away.

As for Leeds, whatever the club itself may get up to, it is the only academy serving a huge area, or are you suggesting that players still at school should have to travel a hundred miles or more, or even worse, that players from Yorkshire should be forced to travel over to the wrong side of the Pennines and get their feet dirty in Lancashire. Wars have been started over less than that.
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