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The nightmare continues
Discussion started by SixNineOne , 07 February, 2020 16:12
The nightmare continues
SixNineOne 07 February, 2020 16:12
Apparently Saracens have discovered that they fielded a technically ineligible player in the last round of the Champions Cup pool matches and risk forfeiting their quarter final place. From the reports this looks like a genuine administrative blunder, however tempting it might be for the conspiracy theorists to argue otherwise! I seem to recall London Welsh getting a a hefty points deduction in the Premiership for a similar blunder that ultimately did for them - there but for the grace of God and all that...

Re: The nightmare continues
CharlieG 07 February, 2020 16:44
More details on BBC - [www.bbc.co.uk]

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The 24-year-old was eligible when Saracens' matchday squad was announced, but his work permit had expired before the game on 19 January.

If they fielded a player who didn't have a valid work permit, then doesn't that count as a criminal offence as well as breaking the Champion's Cup rules?

Re: The nightmare continues
SixNineOne 07 February, 2020 16:50
Quote:
CharlieG
More details on BBC - [www.bbc.co.uk]
Quote:
The 24-year-old was eligible when Saracens' matchday squad was announced, but his work permit had expired before the game on 19 January.

If they fielded a player who didn't have a valid work permit, then doesn't that count as a criminal offence as well as breaking the Champion's Cup rules?
It’s going to give Eddie Jones a bit of a selection headache if Farrell, Itoje, Kruis et al all end up in prison



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/02/2020 16:53 by SixNineOne.

Re: The nightmare continues
Cill Dara 07 February, 2020 18:26
According to my thinking, if they get the same punishment as Grenoble, it will change the quarterfinals;

Current games;
Leinster v Northampton
Racing 92 v Ulster
Exeter v Glasgow
Toulouse v Clermont

Maybe games;
Leinster v Glasgow
Racing 92 v Northampton
Exeter v Ulster
Toulouse v Clermont

As Grenoble had their league points deducted by four, but Welsh were awarded a 28-0 win!

Any thought?

I don’t think this will happen, as too many people would have already made arrangements and spent money for the arranged games.



Prisco stirpe Hibernico



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Re: The nightmare continues
HK Phooey 07 February, 2020 21:44
Just a fine
Still in the competition

Re: The nightmare continues
Ecksile 07 February, 2020 21:56
The full decision.................


Saracens fined €50,000

Saracens have been fined €50,000 (euro), €25,000 of which is suspended until the end of the 2020/21 season, following an independent Disciplinary Hearing in London on the evening of Friday, 7 February, arising from the club’s Heineken Champions Cup, Round 6 match against Racing 92.

Saracens had informed EPCR earlier this week that one of their established players, USA international Titi Lamositele, who was named in the match day squad, and who came on to the field of play as a replacement in the 60th minute of the fixture at Allianz Park, may have been ineligible due an inadvertent administrative error on behalf of the club.

As this error may have constituted a breach of the Disciplinary Rules of its 2019/20 Participation Agreement, EPCR decided to bring a misconduct complaint against Saracens and the complaint was heard by an independent Disciplinary Committee consisting of Roger Morris (Wales), Chair, Pamela Woodman (Scotland) and Jean-Noel Couraud (France).

The Committee considered submissions from the EPCR Disciplinary Officer, Liam McTiernan, from the Saracens Chairman, Neil Golding, and from the club’s legal representative, Paul Harris QC.

The Committee heard that Lamositele was eligible for the Heineken Champions Cup, Round 6 fixture against Racing 92 when Saracens announced their match day squad on Friday, 17 January.

It was also explained that between the time of the match day squad announcement and the match itself on Sunday, 19 January, Lamositele’s work permit expired and that Saracens were not aware of this due to an administrative oversight.

The Committee accepted that Lamositele’s work permit had expired unbeknownst to the club, and that Saracens had not sought to gain any unfair advantage by selecting the player.

The Committee then decided to uphold the misconduct complaint as Saracens had breached EPCR’s Disciplinary Rules, and a fine of €50,000 was imposed on the club.

Chair of the independent Disciplinary Committee, Roger Morris, said: “Following careful consideration of a complaint involving a player who has been contracted to Saracens since 2014, and who remains contracted to the club, the Committee believes that this was an unfortunate sequence of events brought about by an administrative oversight. However, Saracens are in breach of the Disciplinary Rules of the Heineken Champions Cup, and that breach constitutes misconduct which can be proportionately dealt with by way of a financial penalty.”

Both Saracens and EPCR have the right to appeal the decision.

Re: The nightmare continues
old hillbilly 09 February, 2020 20:06
Quote:
CharlieG
More details on BBC - [www.bbc.co.uk]
Quote:
The 24-year-old was eligible when Saracens' matchday squad was announced, but his work permit had expired before the game on 19 January.

If they fielded a player who didn't have a valid work permit, then doesn't that count as a criminal offence as well as breaking the Champion's Cup rules?

Yes indeed it does count as a criminal offence with the maximum penalty of 5 years. If the immigration authorities believe it was a simple admin error then they will probably get off with a fine. The excuse Sarries used at the hearings was apparently that they were unaware the players work permit had expired. This will cut no ice with Immigration enforcements who view 'knowing' as the responsibility of the employer (i.e. the club).
So not sure this story is over yet.


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