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Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Discussion started by Jonny_C , 13 October, 2020 13:49
Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Jonny_C 13 October, 2020 13:49
There's a cloud in the sky.

BBC

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
shimmieandshake 13 October, 2020 14:24
Slow news day at the BBC.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
HMRH 13 October, 2020 14:32
This we knew, bigger news would be the replacement centre and the identities of the forward and back Dec mentioned so we know the squad.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
NMB 13 October, 2020 15:14
Why is our first game at Brentford described as a "home" game

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
PV 13 October, 2020 15:22
This has come from the end of season review on the site

[www.london-irish.com]

Some good stuff in here but no real surprises .

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Exilepaul 13 October, 2020 16:09
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shimmieandshake
Slow news day at the BBC.

In all seriousness we do need additions I didnt realise how wafer thin our squad actually was until I went onto the wikipedia page. A beefy prop, a South African 2nd row, a better back up to Jackson and a premiership standard centre would be on my shopping list

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
shimmieandshake 13 October, 2020 16:54
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Exilepaul
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shimmieandshake
Slow news day at the BBC.

In all seriousness we do need additions I didnt realise how wafer thin our squad actually was until I went onto the wikipedia page. A beefy prop, a South African 2nd row, a better back up to Jackson and a premiership standard centre would be on my shopping list

Agree it'd be great to make such signings, but we all it's not going to happen due to the cap and Covid financial landscape.

All the indications are that we'll be getting a second row and centre. If we're lucky, that centre will be a competent stand-in at 10.

Understand the desire for a gnarly prop, but we have three of each and that's our lot.

There's also a small part of me that questions the necessity of another lock. Coleman, Simmons, Mafi are international grade. Munga is coming through. Nott's been good lately. Donnell and Albert can cover. I wouldn't mind leaving Munga the space to come through and claim his spot in the first choice 23.

Then again, just from reading that list back, another specialist lock would be very handy - we have too much '6 who can play 4' going on.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Bazzo 13 October, 2020 19:56
We are a club that does not make excuses........ then goes on to list out the excuses.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Exilepaul 13 October, 2020 20:37
The positives for next season are we have the "big" names back and really could field a formidable team, we have a decent start regard fixtures where we could seriously leave others behind and could pick up alot of points and wins early and there is long rest period behind games which will suit thinner squads like us.


The negatives are if we get off too a poor start the rot could set in. I'll not name the players but I dont trust a few players to stay injury free which will put on strain on the squad. And too say there is questions over the coaching would be an understatement

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Ruckingood 14 October, 2020 03:28
The center replacement will solid for us if the rumor I have heard is true.. good player, international caps and a chap I rate.. if that means anything :0)

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
PV 14 October, 2020 04:35
Tease

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
shimmieandshake 14 October, 2020 07:35
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Exilepaul
The positives for next season are we have the "big" names back and really could field a formidable team, we have a decent start regard fixtures where we could seriously leave others behind and could pick up alot of points and wins early and there is long rest period behind games which will suit thinner squads like us.

The negatives are if we get off too a poor start the rot could set in. I'll not name the players but I dont trust a few players to stay injury free which will put on strain on the squad. And too say there is questions over the coaching would be an understatement

Aye, we'll need luck with injuries, especially to the leaders. Fingers crossed.

And Ruckingood - sounds very much like Joe Tomane to me.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
SirBurger 14 October, 2020 09:02
Tomane would be fine as a stop gap, but not sure he would be one to get too excited by. He will also be 31 in February and not sure that quite matches RG's earlier description of him.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
shimmieandshake 14 October, 2020 10:30
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SirBurger
Tomane would be fine as a stop gap, but not sure he would be one to get too excited by. He will also be 31 in February and not sure that quite matches RG's earlier description of him.

Yep, I'm expecting a stop gap. Given the timing, it's clearly not been a long-gestating plan.

Suppose it might be one of the Jaguares players given the situation over there, but I doubt it - think all the centres have already been snapped up.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
SirBurger 14 October, 2020 10:56
Tomane also appears to have signed with the Ricoh Black Rams in Japan.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Exilepaul 14 October, 2020 11:01
I've got a feeling it's going to be one of Piers Francis or Kyle Eastmond

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
shimmieandshake 14 October, 2020 14:19
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SirBurger
Tomane also appears to have signed with the Ricoh Black Rams in Japan.

Good shout, shows what I know.

re: Francis/Eastmond - have indeed been linked to both, but Ruckingood mentioned it's a Southern Hemisphere player with international caps and not towards end of career.

Which means I have absolutely no idea.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Exilepaul 14 October, 2020 15:51
It's going to be Kurtley Beale isnt it he's played under Kiss, he's another Waratah and Aussie, he knows alot of our boys already and hes currently not got a club and he can cover PJ at 10.


It ticks too many boxes oh my god I've worked it hahaha



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Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Exilepaul 14 October, 2020 15:53
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Exilepaul
I dont know why but I've just this feeling it could be Kurtley Beale he's played under Kiss, he's another Waratah and Aussie, he knows alot of our boys already and hes currently not got a club and he can cover PJ at 10.

It ticks too many boxes oh my god I've worked it hahaha its such an obvious signing

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
shimmieandshake 14 October, 2020 15:58
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Exilepaul
I dont know why but I've just this feeling it could be Kurtley Beale he's played under Kiss, he's another Waratah and Aussie, he knows alot of our boys already and hes currently not got a club and he can cover PJ at 10.

It ticks too many boxes oh my god I've worked it hahaha

Think Beale signed a two-year deal with Racing 92 in May.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
SirBurger 14 October, 2020 15:58
He has just signed for Racing, so definitely not without a club.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Exilepaul 14 October, 2020 16:00
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SirBurger
He has just signed for Racing, so definitely not without a club.

I'll keep trying then Haha

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
SixNineOne 14 October, 2020 19:00
Not sure where the southern hemisphere part of the rumour came from, but if itís a northern hemisphere person, Alex Dunbarís name has already been mentioned by others, and he would certainly fit the bill.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Margin_Walker 14 October, 2020 20:08
Interestingly and vaguely related, just listening to a podcast with Ross Neal being interviewed. We offered him a contract for next season before the restart but he opted to stay with Seattle. Then got him to come short term instead as cover.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
ExiledChameleon 15 October, 2020 03:09
So, I've gone onto stats guru, set the parameters as: played for Aus/NZ/SA, position centre, min caps 10, played in past 4 years, max age 28. Considering that the deal is done but not announced I'd wager that the player perhaps still has international commitments left this season. Note that TRC ends in the first week of December, the fourth round of the Prem is on Boxing Day.

[stats.espnscrum.com]

Output (lowering caps down to 5 bring in no likely contenders either):

ALB
Goodhue
Laumape

Am
Kriel
DDA

Kerevi
Kuridrani
Hodge

ALB, Goodhue, Kerevi, Hodge aren't going to happen. DDA is at Munster. Kuridrani is a dedicated outside centre, and a massively important player for Aus, can't see it happening.

Laumape is an inside centre, so tick. A fringe AB, tick. However he's not really the sort of player to leave NZ for what is likely to be a short term contract (given that I presume we're spending the injury allowance on him).

Am would be very good, current Bok vice captain and an all round complete centre. Falls into the same 'unlikely to be an injury replacement' bucket, but would be a fantastic signing.

Kriel. Currently signed to a Top League side, whose season commences in early February, about 4 and a bit months away. Hep's out for 3-4 months right? Not sacrificing an international career, would likely be feasible on the injury cap. Also provides FB and wing cover.

Assuming that the centre is from one of the SH big 3, and has more than 3 caps they're on the list above. Kriel looks to be by far the most likely in my view, wouldn't mind if it was any of the three.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Blarney 15 October, 2020 07:14
Laumape would be my choice. We don't need another playmaker - we need a strong ball carrier and tackler.

Given that he has fallen down the pecking order with the All Black's its not so unthinkable

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Margin_Walker 15 October, 2020 07:35
Yep, Laumape would be perfect if we are looking at remotely realistic options. Would be a stretch though.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
SixNineOne 15 October, 2020 08:25
There seem to be two strands to this discussion, unless Iím completely missing the point...
My understanding is that Declan said we were planning to announce two new players, one forward and one back. I assumed that these players would be on normal ďlong termĒ contracts. The conversation has now focused on possible injury cover for Hepetema. Can anyone clarify - are we expecting two permanents plus one injury cover?

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
shimmieandshake 15 October, 2020 08:34
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SixNineOne
There seem to be two strands to this discussion, unless Iím completely missing the point...
My understanding is that Declan said we were planning to announce two new players, one forward and one back. I assumed that these players would be on normal ďlong termĒ contracts. The conversation has now focused on possible injury cover for Hepetema. Can anyone clarify - are we expecting two permanents plus one injury cover?

We only have four centres, including TBC who's a 10/12. I'd be really surprised if we were looking at a short-term deal, personally - I think there was talk of getting another centre in even before Hepetema's injury.

I'd be pleasantly shocked if it was a name as big as any of the above. Expecting someone semi-obscure with four or five caps, personally. Keen to be wrong though, and I'm speculating just as much as all of us here.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
SirBurger 15 October, 2020 08:49
I agree shimmie - any of the above would be more than "solid", which seems to be the description being used.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
HMRH 15 October, 2020 09:04
Loving the detective work on this!

Iíd understood/hoped the injury cover was in addition to an extra forward and back joining

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
shimmieandshake 15 October, 2020 09:32
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HMRH
Loving the detective work on this!
Iíd understood/hoped the injury cover was in addition to an extra forward and back joining

This might also be true, given we literally have TBC and Rona until Hep's arm recovers. I still struggle to truly consider Phil Cokanasiga first team quality just yet; which is fair enough, given he's just turned nineteen.

Which is to say I really hope there is injury cover, if possible. Kriel would land in the upper echelons of 'injury cover' players. Gives us room for Laumape on a three-year deal as well. All sounds completely reasonable; I totally expect our backline for the Worcester and Leicester to read:

Phipps, Jackson, Naholo, Laumape, Kriel, Loader, Homer with Rona on the bench. Not too shabby.

And yeah, shoutout to ExiledChameleon. Full Sherlock.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
HMRH 15 October, 2020 09:59
Now that would be a back line!! Not ruining the thought with any further rumination

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Exilepaul 15 October, 2020 11:36
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Blarney
Laumape would be my choice. We don't need another playmaker - we need a strong ball carrier and tackler.
Given that he has fallen down the pecking order with the All Black's its not so unthinkable

It would never happen but I would love Van Rensburg from Sale

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
franciscorrigan 15 October, 2020 11:55
I bet we are all rather deflated when none of the above arrives. However, I do hope I'm wrong.(Sm63)

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
SirBurger 15 October, 2020 12:03
Perhaps someone like Francois Venter from Worcester is more realistic? Springbok caps, slightly under the radar, but definitely a good player. Think he is under contract but you never know what is going on behind the scenes these days.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
shimmieandshake 15 October, 2020 12:24
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SirBurger
Perhaps someone like Francois Venter from Worcester is more realistic? Springbok caps, slightly under the radar, but definitely a good player. Think he is under contract but you never know what is going on behind the scenes these days.

Yep, more the calibre that's realistic.

Or maybe a Jan Serfontein type. Looks like he's not getting a game at Montpellier, with Lozowski there too. Could be injured, mind.

Don't think anyone will be deflated, Francis - think it's clear this is all wild speculation/fun conjecture as opposed to any genuine expectation, though I can only speak for myself.

I'm still anticipating steady rather than spectacular. Hopefully someone who is incapable of getting injured.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
franciscorrigan 15 October, 2020 13:00
We wouldn't follow Irish if we ever got truly deflated(Sm42)

I'd love to see another "name", but a couple of decent journeymen is probably all we can afford.
Realistically we couldn't have expected to see some of the players that we have now, so nobody can be ruled out. A good Saffer would be my bet for the next player to be announced, but, as we seem to be the home of expat antipodeans, another Aussie is more than possible.
Anyone reasonably young, fully fit and experienced will do for me.

Can't wait for the new season and hopefully being able to get into my seat soon.(Sm63)

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
HMRH 15 October, 2020 13:24
SA rugby in mess and without the Rugby Championship , if NZ reports are correct, a non top 4 franchise player would seems possible.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Exilepaul 15 October, 2020 14:23
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HMRH
SA rugby in mess and without the Rugby Championship , if NZ reports are correct, a non top 4 franchise player would seems possible.

I'm guessing now we will be getting Simmons earlier now if SA pull out or will there just be more byes?

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Margin_Walker 15 October, 2020 14:30
Given the way things are going with the lack of fans in stadiums and issues keeping squads Covid free, it wouldn't be the biggest surprise if the season start was pushed back to the New Year anyway.

I'm a bit of a pessimist though

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Exilepaul 15 October, 2020 14:56
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Margin_Walker
Given the way things are going with the lack of fans in stadiums and issues keeping squads Covid free, it wouldn't be the biggest surprise if the season start was pushed back to the New Year anyway.
I'm a bit of a pessimist though

With a lions tour and a 6 nations not a chance

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Shawshank 15 October, 2020 17:28
No reason not to continue with the league during the Lions tour.

Probs 15 players at most from English clubs, and half of them will be from Sarries...

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Bazzo 15 October, 2020 22:48
No fans....... no money coming in, how do we pay the wages?

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
tatthecraic3 17 October, 2020 14:17
Does anyone know when our new signings will be announced?

Getting itchy for the new season!

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
dooj106 18 October, 2020 08:49
Apparently our new centre is Billy Meakes!

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Margin_Walker 18 October, 2020 09:02
Interesting. Was hoping for a bit more of a gainline threat, but we could do worse and he's a decent enough ball player.

He's played with Rona in the midfield with the Force, so at least that will take less time to bed in if true

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
franciscorrigan 18 October, 2020 13:11
Is that the same Meakes who played a few games for Glos a while back? (Sm63)

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Exile_Dave 18 October, 2020 13:19
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dooj106
Apparently our new centre is Billy Meakes!

He is mentioned by Fissler in todayís TRP as a short term target for us.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Exile_Dave 18 October, 2020 13:21
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franciscorrigan
Is that the same Meakes who played a few games for Glos a while back? (Sm63)

Yes, the same guy.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
nimblehippo 18 October, 2020 14:13
underwhelmed if a permanent, solid if a short term cover

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
franciscorrigan 18 October, 2020 14:18
Just looked hm up and watched a couple of videos on youtube. He has been close to a Wallaby cap but never quite got there. Looks fairly useful, but struck me as a bit lightweight for the Prem and not that quick, although he did play sevens for Oz and can't be that slow. At 29 he's no spring chiicken, but at least he looks injury free. Might get some decent mileage out if him and he definitely fills a hole in our squad (Sm63)

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
franciscorrigan 18 October, 2020 14:20
Please somebody, find us another Mapasua (Sm128)(Sm63)

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
tatthecraic3 18 October, 2020 14:40
I'm hoping Meakes is not the impressive international centre who is highly rated.

Having said that, meakes is exactly the level of player we should be targeting. High level prem players just under international standard. Unencumbered by international selection but still a very good player.

Looks nippy and has a good off load. And seems to get his defense in.

Happy with that

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
franciscorrigan 18 October, 2020 22:04
He is that Meakes. Earlier ths year he was on the cusp of selection and has never made any secret of his ambition to be a Wallaby. Doesn't look like it's going to happen for him. Looks like he should be a good addition to the squad. (Sm63)

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
SixNineOne 18 October, 2020 22:33
My recollection is that he showed up well when he was at Gloucester. He seemed to be first choice in the centres - I canít recall whether 12 or 13 was his preferred position - and he seemed to be a solid performer with a bit of class to his play.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
franciscorrigan 18 October, 2020 23:00
Just been looking at Meakes on a few more videos on youtube and I'm beginning to like what I see. (Sm128)
If our pack holds together and gets the backs some decent ball, we might shock a few teams next season (Sm63)

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Exilepaul 18 October, 2020 23:35
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franciscorrigan
Just been looking at Meakes on a few more videos on youtube and I'm beginning to like what I see. (Sm128) If our pack holds together and gets the backs some decent ball, we might shock a few teams next season (Sm63)

Shock? We should be competing in every single game with the squad we have

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Ruckingood 19 October, 2020 08:04
Meaks is a fine player. preferred position is 12 and will surprise doubters I feel. Solid defense, good attacking skills and reads the game well. if you see old highlights from the now defunct Western Force, he and Rona worked well together. He does not seem to be injury prone (is that the kiss of death) and as an ex Prem player, there will be limited "culture shock" with family etc so he should be able to hit the ground running. All positives.. and he will be on a manageable salary... not much of the cons side as far as I can see

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
Jonny_C 19 October, 2020 08:56
Oh, and another snippet from the Rugby Paper that Kyle Eastmond is still considering joining Irish, but waiting for a resolution of his dismissal from Leicester.

Re: Next Season - Williams & Hepetema, plus other injuries
PV 19 October, 2020 09:14
Hereís a video of Meakes parping. [www.rugby.com.au]


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