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Discussion started by Sir Hector (IP Logged), 23 May, 2019 07:06
Sir Hector
Sir Hector
23 May, 2019 07:06
According to this, not ready:-

Sports mole

fair_weather_fan
fair_weather_fan
23 May, 2019 07:48
Refers to last week if you read it

HungryLikeTheWolf
Wilson Pickett
23 May, 2019 07:49
Do we get insurance money etc if a player is out for a significant period ?

Hate to say it, but if we donít then we have to move on and he should probably retire to save his body for later in life. It isnít value for money and the other 3 lads are good.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 23/05/2019 07:50 by Wilson Pickett.

Longers
Longers
23 May, 2019 07:50
I was beginning to get a feeling this might be the case. Shame.

Saint Ted
Saint Ted
23 May, 2019 07:54
Quote:
Wilson Pickett
Do we get insurance money etc if a player is out for a significant period ?
Hate to say it, but if we donít then we have to move on and he should probably retire to save his body for later in life. It isnít value for money and the other 3 lads are good.

Insurance pays out for injuries of 12 weeks or more, you also get additional salary cap credit at this point to provide cover

ramseysaint
ramseysaint
23 May, 2019 07:57
I've felt the same way for a while WP.
I suppose there is also the world cup on his mind, I assume he has one foot on the plane to Japan. If he get injured or banned again in the match against Exeter or Glos in the final (I'm hopeful) then no doubt he'd be out of the squad once again.

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Chris Hoddle
23 May, 2019 08:10
The article is only dated today but was posted yesterday. Although it could be about last week it does say about last saturdays game and how Boydy said they decided not to risk him. Thus I take it as meaning this week and so no Dylan



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Bustabloodvessel
23 May, 2019 08:27
Did say to the wife that I donít think we will see him in a Saints shirt again and Iím beginning to think that it may be the case. Itís controversial I know but is he really our best hooker,yes they say he is a good leader but does he have the open play skills impact like Mikey or Reece or fish.



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Neil-H
23 May, 2019 08:30
I mentioned before, depending on contract lengths left, I think we might see one of Mikey or Dylans not renewed.... purely down to salary cap and we have 2 youngsters who have more than proved themselves and be considerably cheaper than both of those mentioned?

Sad, that our club and sport has to be run like a business

HungryLikeTheWolf
Wilson Pickett
23 May, 2019 08:41
Quote:
ramseysaint
I've felt the same way for a while WP.
I suppose there is also the world cup on his mind, I assume he has one foot on the plane to Japan. If he get injured or banned again in the match against Exeter or Glos in the final (I'm hopeful) then no doubt he'd be out of the squad once again.


If our club captain is missing a semifinal because he doesnít want to get injured for England, why bother having him?


However I donít for a minute think he would do that.

HungryLikeTheWolf
Wilson Pickett
23 May, 2019 08:42
Quote:
Neil-H
I mentioned before, depending on contract lengths left, I think we might see one of Mikey or Dylans not renewed.... purely down to salary cap and we have 2 youngsters who have more than proved themselves and be considerably cheaper than both of those mentioned?
Sad, that our club and sport has to be run like a business



itís called professional sport?

BrianB
BrianB
23 May, 2019 08:43
If he was fit boyd would pick him and dylan would play.

Whiston Saint
Whiston Saint
23 May, 2019 09:04
Quote:
Wilson Pickett
Quote:
Neil-H
I mentioned before, depending on contract lengths left, I think we might see one of Mikey or Dylans not renewed.... purely down to salary cap and we have 2 youngsters who have more than proved themselves and be considerably cheaper than both of those mentioned?
Sad, that our club and sport has to be run like a business



itís called professional sport?

Spot on WP...

As soon as you pay players the game changes. In old days on shamateurism only a handful of players profited from playing and you could have a relaxed approach to squad size and retain registrations indefinitely.

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Neil-H
23 May, 2019 10:53
I know its a professional sport, obviously!

I was just stating my opinion, 1 of them may go, but it is sad that basically its now a business as much if not more than a sport, sentiment has gone out the window and rightly so as you state its professional now.

But players that have given 110% for the club some for years are basically commodities (appreciate they get paid well for it) and think the players we talking about are Saints through and through, my time of following Saints crosses from Amateur to Professional, so think its a bit sad.... and could feel for either of them if they were to be let go, but understand why for reasons posted in my original post

Walks11
Walks11
23 May, 2019 10:56
i posted a few weeks ago that this is Dyl's swansong, he is hanging on for a WC slot. we wont see him post WC, he will retire.

Boyds biggest problem is that he doesn't have confidence that he has a huge amount of game time minutes in his legs. it would be a risk selecting him. Probably the safest bet is to start him and play him for 30/40 mins and he knows he has a hooker who can go a full game as back up in case he doesn't last that long. Putting him on bench, hooker goes down early as last week and then he is faced with playing a full game with no back up

HungryLikeTheWolf
Wilson Pickett
23 May, 2019 11:45
If I was running an amateur club where a player had successive concussions, was always away playing for County and then had successive injuries/was barely ever available, I would probably be looking at other solutions.

Saint Stokey
Saint Stokey
23 May, 2019 11:50
This is when it would be great if we had a Johnson/ Thacker type hooker... one who is comfortable playing Back Row or at 2, meaning we would have a secondary cover should Dylan start then have to come back on to cover an injury.

BrianB
BrianB
23 May, 2019 11:51
Walks, my interpretation is the worry is that the knee won't stand a full game rather than his general fitness.

Deesaint
Deesaint
23 May, 2019 11:56
I am a big fan of Dylan
However I just cannot see how he can expect to be selected for the WC he just doesnít have the game time Same applies for this weekend
In addition does he really want to risk another bang to the head and be maimed for the rest of his life
There comes a point when common sense and sanity steps in. Time to hang the boots up

BrianB
BrianB
23 May, 2019 12:03
I dont suppose he is expecting to be selected. Hoping to be and so am i.

Saint Stokey
Saint Stokey
23 May, 2019 12:24
It may be time to offer him a transitional role into the coaching set up.
That way we could still have him to call upon but perhaps on a pay per game basis.

As much as I would like to see him back to full fitness and a full season, financially its not becoming efficient.

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Stockers
23 May, 2019 12:32
Quote:
Saint Stokey
This is when it would be great if we had a Johnson/ Thacker type hooker... one who is comfortable playing Back Row or at 2, meaning we would have a secondary cover should Dylan start then have to come back on to cover an injury.

Daft Dave Ward is out of contract at Quins..........

Saint Ted
Saint Ted
23 May, 2019 12:45
youíve probably got more chance of seeing me in the saints squad than Dave Ward!

He really isnít popular with some of our guys

Saint Stokey
Saint Stokey
23 May, 2019 13:26
I wonder what Matti Williams is up to

Walks11
Walks11
23 May, 2019 13:55
Quote:
BrianB
Walks, my interpretation is the worry is that the knee won't stand a full game rather than his general fitness.
agree and probably both come into play. either isn't good, both together big risk

ElySaint
ElySaint
23 May, 2019 14:06
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Saint Stokey
I wonder what Matti Williams is up to

With Mike H, Reece, James and Samson coming through I'm not sure we'd need a 5th hooker - particularly ahead of Samson. We've managed since Christmas with three plus DD, and next year Mike is back.

Dragonboy
Dragonboy
23 May, 2019 14:41
Why would we want Dave Ward back when he was at best a club player first time around. Why would Matti Williams want to come back when he left us I believe through lack of game time and Iím sure he has resigned at Woos anyway.

If we want to speculate on a new hooker we should set our sights much higher. Malcolm Marx anyone?

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Matthew
23 May, 2019 15:49
Something I've wondered.... Let's say Dylan starts on Saturday, gets injured, and has to come off.

Replacement hooker then gets injured and has to go off.

We'd go to uncontested scrums (not a bad thing based on out previous meetings with Chiefs?), but would we be able to bring on a replacement for the replacement hooker?



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ElySaint
ElySaint
23 May, 2019 16:41
Quote:
Matthew
Something I've wondered.... Let's say Dylan starts on Saturday, gets injured, and has to come off.
Replacement hooker then gets injured and has to go off.

We'd go to uncontested scrums (not a bad thing based on out previous meetings with Chiefs?), but would we be able to bring on a replacement for the replacement hooker?

Interesting. One assumes (so one is likely wrong) that such a replacement would not need experience as a hooker or even front row as scrums go uncontested. Opens a few opportunities up - could have an extra back on the field. Lineout might go wonky, mind you.

shiversaint
shiversaint
23 May, 2019 16:53
Quote:
Matthew
Something I've wondered.... Let's say Dylan starts on Saturday, gets injured, and has to come off.
Replacement hooker then gets injured and has to go off.

We'd go to uncontested scrums (not a bad thing based on out previous meetings with Chiefs?), but would we be able to bring on a replacement for the replacement hooker?

I think you are, yes. Don't uncontested scrums have to be agreed to by the other team in this scenario?

Either way, wouldn't like to win this way - feels beneath us.

HungryLikeTheWolf
Wilson Pickett
23 May, 2019 17:30
fine by me :-)

Saint Ted
Saint Ted
23 May, 2019 17:40
If we go to uncontested scrums we also go to 14 men

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shendy
23 May, 2019 19:05
But at least we wouldn't be shipping scrum penalties :-)

Angus67
Angus67
23 May, 2019 20:45
As much as I would be delighted to see a fully fit Dylan leading the cause, I am concerned about his history of concussion.

Aside from that irrespective of his fitness, countless times I have heard players / pundits commenting there isn't any training like an actual match. Dyls has been out for so long I am not sure that he will be up to speed.

taffman
taffman
24 May, 2019 20:45
Time for him to go.

He's past his sell by date!

Nickd57
Nickd57
24 May, 2019 20:54
So disrespectful taffman.

HungryLikeTheWolf
Wilson Pickett
25 May, 2019 10:52
he would be lauding him as irreplaceable if he was welsh.....

very very dull


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