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England's unnecessary injury risk
Discussion started by SaintMaul , 10 August, 2019 20:34
England's unnecessary injury risk
SaintMaul 10 August, 2019 20:34
Are four warm-up games for England an unnecessary injury risk?

Eddy names his squad on Monday so 3 of the 4 games aren't even for finalising the squad.

With injury rates at their highest ever I can see us paying the price with some key players getting injured in the warm-ups.

Re: England's unnecessary injury risk
Dragonboy 10 August, 2019 20:43
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SaintMaul
Are four warm-up games for England an unnecessary injury risk?
Eddy names his squad on Monday so 3 of the 4 games aren't even for finalising the squad.

With injury rates at their highest ever I can see us paying the price with some key players getting injured in the warm-ups.
i don’t think games are the problem. How many England players has Eddie Jones “broken “ just in training under his guidance supervision and direction.

Re: England's unnecessary injury risk
Wilson Pickett 10 August, 2019 21:31
The best Southern Hemisphere sides are playing each other in the Rugby Championship


if we went to the World Cup with 1 or 2 friendles and lost to a SH side, people would say “well we need more prep matches, we looked off the pace, etc etc”

Re: England's unnecessary injury risk
Dragonboy 10 August, 2019 22:06
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Wilson Pickett
The best Southern Hemisphere sides are playing each other in the Rugby Championship

if we went to the World Cup with 1 or 2 friendles and lost to a SH side, people would say “well we need more prep matches, we looked off the pace, etc etc”
There is merit in what you say but EJ seems to have a pretty well established culture of breaking players in training before they even get into the necessary warm up games which is what the Southern Hemisphere guys have effectively started. Players looking off the pace is one thing. Players not even surviving to our pre planned warm up games is another thing. Without knowing the severity but three today. Nowell and Shields 2 days ahead of the squad being announced .........

Re: England's unnecessary injury risk
Wilson Pickett 10 August, 2019 22:21
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Dragonboy
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Wilson Pickett
The best Southern Hemisphere sides are playing each other in the Rugby Championship

if we went to the World Cup with 1 or 2 friendles and lost to a SH side, people would say “well we need more prep matches, we looked off the pace, etc etc”
There is merit in what you say but EJ seems to have a pretty well established culture of breaking players in training before they even get into the necessary warm up games which is what the Southern Hemisphere guys have effectively started. Players looking off the pace is one thing. Players not even surviving to our pre planned warm up games is another thing. Without knowing the severity but three today. Nowell and Shields 2 days ahead of the squad being announced .........


yep fair point

Re: England's unnecessary injury risk
Neil-H 11 August, 2019 06:27
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Wilson Pickett
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Dragonboy
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Wilson Pickett
The best Southern Hemisphere sides are playing each other in the Rugby Championship

if we went to the World Cup with 1 or 2 friendles and lost to a SH side, people would say “well we need more prep matches, we looked off the pace, etc etc”
There is merit in what you say but EJ seems to have a pretty well established culture of breaking players in training before they even get into the necessary warm up games which is what the Southern Hemisphere guys have effectively started. Players looking off the pace is one thing. Players not even surviving to our pre planned warm up games is another thing. Without knowing the severity but three today. Nowell and Shields 2 days ahead of the squad being announced .........


yep fair point

Agree with WP, the guys need game time and need try get up to speed, as he mentions SH are just finishing their international tournament.

So to answer the initial question, yes we so do need these matches warm up matches, without these games the players still have got injured.

Then you could ask a different question... Is there something wrong with Eddie Jones training methods as a lot more players appear to get injured by them?

Re: England's unnecessary injury risk
Longers 11 August, 2019 08:44
We are almost back to the period at Saints after "The Hood" left. Can we blame the coach?

In this particular instance I certainly think it is time for EJ to review his processes to see if they are actually contributing to the injuries or not.

A squad which loses 4-5 core players is inevitably going to struggle.

Re: England's unnecessary injury risk
John Tee 11 August, 2019 12:23
match day injuries go with the territory...
a training injury is unlucky and should be relatively rare...

The amount that England have seems more than bad luck.

Re: England's unnecessary injury risk
ajack 12 August, 2019 09:14
Going into the world cup without suitable game time and high contact training would be stupidity. As soon as you make the training at a level to prepare for test matches you will always get injuries. These guys haven't played rugby for months.


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