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Another positive test
Discussion started by Chris Hoddle , 30 July, 2020 08:25
Another positive test
Chris Hoddle 30 July, 2020 08:25
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I wonder if this will mean there may be a delay in the scheduled restart, if the positive tests keep coming?



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Re: Another positive test
Longers 30 July, 2020 09:17
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https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/one-positive-test-saints-latest-covid-19-results-are-released-premiership-rugby-2927631
I wonder if this will mean there may be a delay in the scheduled restart, if the positive tests keep coming?

Given the quantity of testing, is it surprising we see a positive or two?

There is clearly a difference, a question to be resolved, how the positive tested individuals react. Are they heading towards full blown hospitalisation? Or is it just a flu-like period.

We still don't know.

Re: Another positive test
Longers 30 July, 2020 09:17
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Re: Another positive te
St. Andy 30 July, 2020 09:53
Surely how the individual reacts is largely irrelevant, other than obviously we hope they recover quickly and with minor symptoms. The problem is how prevalent the virus is amongst those involved. It is reported that an individual recently infected may show a negative for a number of days but if they then play, during that period, they will be spreading it all over the place.

Re: Another positive test
BrianB 30 July, 2020 11:24
Could it be the same person?

Re: Another positive test
Thrupp artist 30 July, 2020 12:54
Suppose this was flu (which can be equally deadly and perversely much more likely to lay low a fit athlete) what would we do? The flu jab is only effective against the last known variant - as is also likely to be the case when a covid vaccine is created - so we try and protect the old and vulnerable as best we can without assuming that we have to shut up shop. The fact that a rugby player is tested positive for covid is irrelevant in the great scheme of things as they form a tiny minority of the population - even if we were all tested each week and we could all avoid one another until we reach New Zealand status there can be no certainty and even then many of the tests would have been false or just plain wrong.

Re: Another positive test
Corkst 30 July, 2020 19:58
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Longers
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Chris Hoddle
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/one-positive-test-saints-latest-covid-19-results-are-released-premiership-rugby-2927631
I wonder if this will mean there may be a delay in the scheduled restart, if the positive tests keep coming?

Given the quantity of testing, is it surprising we see a positive or two?

There is clearly a difference, a question to be resolved, how the positive tested individuals react. Are they heading towards full blown hospitalisation? Or is it just a flu-like period.

I think you'll find they are just as likely to infect other people no matter how they react.

We still don't know.

Re: Another positive test
Corkst 30 July, 2020 20:06
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Thrupp artist
Suppose this was flu (which can be equally deadly and perversely much more likely to lay low a fit athlete) what would we do? The flu jab is only effective against the last known variant - as is also likely to be the case when a covid vaccine is created - so we try and protect the old and vulnerable as best we can without assuming that we have to shut up shop. The fact that a rugby player is tested positive for covid is irrelevant in the great scheme of things as they form a tiny minority of the population - even if we were all tested each week and we could all avoid one another until we reach New Zealand status there can be no certainty and even then many of the tests would have been false or just plain wrong.

But it's not the flu is it. So your whole point is moot.

Re: Another positive test
Longers 31 July, 2020 08:52
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Corkst
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Thrupp artist
Suppose this was flu (which can be equally deadly and perversely much more likely to lay low a fit athlete) what would we do? The flu jab is only effective against the last known variant - as is also likely to be the case when a covid vaccine is created - so we try and protect the old and vulnerable as best we can without assuming that we have to shut up shop. The fact that a rugby player is tested positive for covid is irrelevant in the great scheme of things as they form a tiny minority of the population - even if we were all tested each week and we could all avoid one another until we reach New Zealand status there can be no certainty and even then many of the tests would have been false or just plain wrong.

But it's not the flu is it. So your whole point is moot.

The question still remains. And certainly it felt like flu - albeit serious flu - when I had it.

So do you have an answer?

Re: Another positive test
Corkst 31 July, 2020 16:12
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Longers
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Corkst
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Thrupp artist
Suppose this was flu (which can be equally deadly and perversely much more likely to lay low a fit athlete) what would we do? The flu jab is only effective against the last known variant - as is also likely to be the case when a covid vaccine is created - so we try and protect the old and vulnerable as best we can without assuming that we have to shut up shop. The fact that a rugby player is tested positive for covid is irrelevant in the great scheme of things as they form a tiny minority of the population - even if we were all tested each week and we could all avoid one another until we reach New Zealand status there can be no certainty and even then many of the tests would have been false or just plain wrong.

But it's not the flu is it. So your whole point is moot.

The question still remains. And certainly it felt like flu - albeit serious flu - when I had it.

So do you have an answer?

The question was suppose this was flu what would we do.
It is far more contagious than the flu which is why it became a pandemic.
So it is still a pointless question. We deal with it (or mishandle dealing with it) for what it is.
It is not just older people that get it (over here the newer cases have a lower average age than previously due to younger people socialising again with the relaxation of rules) and we don't know the long term effects on people who have had it and recovered yet obviously so the whole life has to get back to normal asap attitude could be a very gangrenous one. I hope nobody on here who has a blasť attitude towards it would voice that opinion to a relative of one of the tens of thousands of people in the UK who have lost their lives.

Re: Another positive test
Dave Jackson 31 July, 2020 16:57
What I suspect is more likely and possible is that whoever has tested positive has no symptoms and no idea they had it. Thatís what makes this very hard to track and trace.

Re: Another positive test
Longers 31 July, 2020 17:45
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Corkst
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Corkst
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Thrupp artist
Suppose this was flu (which can be equally deadly and perversely much more likely to lay low a fit athlete) what would we do? The flu jab is only effective against the last known variant - as is also likely to be the case when a covid vaccine is created - so we try and protect the old and vulnerable as best we can without assuming that we have to shut up shop. The fact that a rugby player is tested positive for covid is irrelevant in the great scheme of things as they form a tiny minority of the population - even if we were all tested each week and we could all avoid one another until we reach New Zealand status there can be no certainty and even then many of the tests would have been false or just plain wrong.

But it's not the flu is it. So your whole point is moot.

The question still remains. And certainly it felt like flu - albeit serious flu - when I had it.

So do you have an answer?

The question was suppose this was flu what would we do.
It is far more contagious than the flu which is why it became a pandemic.
So it is still a pointless question. We deal with it (or mishandle dealing with it) for what it is.
It is not just older people that get it (over here the newer cases have a lower average age than previously due to younger people socialising again with the relaxation of rules) and we don't know the long term effects on people who have had it and recovered yet obviously so the whole life has to get back to normal asap attitude could be a very gangrenous one. I hope nobody on here who has a blasť attitude towards it would voice that opinion to a relative of one of the tens of thousands of people in the UK who have lost their lives.

Hardly a moot point, since reactions are very much the same.

So the question remains - what would you have everyone do?

You and the authorities clearly have no better idea now, of what happens to those who are tested as positive.

So do we just sit inside, waiting for........well, what?

And as for the virtue signalling comment re "blase attitudes" - you have no idea!

Re: Another positive test
Saint Ted 31 July, 2020 18:31
Awesome, another volatile subject.

Donít let it get personal people, so many people have so many different views on this it could escalate quickly.

Weíve gone the whole way through lockdown with zero issues letís keep it that way, rugby is potentially two weeks away, letís not fall out this close to the line

Re: Another positive test
fleetg 31 July, 2020 18:36
Totally agree Longers.
Perhaps we can all sit indoors and do nothing forever ... just to be on the safe side.

Re: Another positive test
Longers 31 July, 2020 19:38
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Saint Ted
Awesome, another volatile subject.
Donít let it get personal people, so many people have so many different views on this it could escalate quickly.

Weíve gone the whole way through lockdown with zero issues letís keep it that way, rugby is potentially two weeks away, letís not fall out this close to the line

Need to keep you on your toes, Saint Ted.

No dozing off!

Re: Another positive test
John Tee 02 August, 2020 08:53
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Longers
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Corkst
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Thrupp artist
Suppose this was flu (which can be equally deadly and perversely much more likely to lay low a fit athlete) what would we do? The flu jab is only effective against the last known variant - as is also likely to be the case when a covid vaccine is created - so we try and protect the old and vulnerable as best we can without assuming that we have to shut up shop. The fact that a rugby player is tested positive for covid is irrelevant in the great scheme of things as they form a tiny minority of the population - even if we were all tested each week and we could all avoid one another until we reach New Zealand status there can be no certainty and even then many of the tests would have been false or just plain wrong.

But it's not the flu is it. So your whole point is moot.

The question still remains. And certainly it felt like flu - albeit serious flu - when I had it.

So do you have an answer?

Ive had flu once in my life..so not so easy to catch considering we have to content with it almost every year..

Last know person i know who tested positive had blotches on the skin and felt off colour for a few days. Works as a nurse so at risk of high exposure.

There will need to be another solution to lockdowns soon because countries cant afford it.

Re: Another positive test
Duckonstilts 03 August, 2020 12:16
It will come down to setting priorities. Food shopping / health care are top. But what is next? Imo eating out and cinema come before the pub.

Re: Another positive test
Thrupp artist 03 August, 2020 16:28
Flu is always serious and many people think they've had flu when they haven't - it is just as easy to catch as covid. The mysterious thing is that for the vast majority of folks under 50 they can have covid and either not know at all or have pretty mild (compared to flu) symptoms. What needs to be fully published and discussed are the accurate stats for Covid deaths /serious infections in the school age and under 50's populations and then allow us all to decide how to formulate our actions accordingly both in terms of "contact" (with family members etc) and general behaviour . By the way I am a 70 year old diabetic.

Re: Another positive test
Longers 03 August, 2020 19:46
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Thrupp artist
Flu is always serious and many people think they've had flu when they haven't - it is just as easy to catch as covid. The mysterious thing is that for the vast majority of folks under 50 they can have covid and either not know at all or have pretty mild (compared to flu) symptoms. What needs to be fully published and discussed are the accurate stats for Covid deaths /serious infections in the school age and under 50's populations and then allow us all to decide how to formulate our actions accordingly both in terms of "contact" (with family members etc) and general behaviour . By the way I am a 70 year old diabetic.

Agreed.

Trouble is, we still do not have sufficient quality knowledge and understanding to read the data.

And I would add to your list, the question of these positive tests . OK positive. So what does that actually mean? What does that lead to?

Dare I say it reminds me of HIV - the base virus sits there and sometimes does nothing, whilst at other times, it turns into full blown AIDS.

We still need to know so much more..

Re: Another positive test
Corkst 03 August, 2020 20:07
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Thrupp artist
Flu is always serious and many people think they've had flu when they haven't - it is just as easy to catch as covid. The mysterious thing is that for the vast majority of folks under 50 they can have covid and either not know at all or have pretty mild (compared to flu) symptoms. What needs to be fully published and discussed are the accurate stats for Covid deaths /serious infections in the school age and under 50's populations and then allow us all to decide how to formulate our actions accordingly both in terms of "contact" (with family members etc) and general behaviour . By the way I am a 70 year old diabetic.

It is not as easy to catch as covid. That is why we have a global pandemic.

Re: Another positive test
John Tee 04 August, 2020 08:37
Back to the OP. That player testing positive gets withdrawn as per an injury and goes through return to play protocols with isolation being part of that.
No different from squads being decimated by bugs.
In the event of large numbers of squad being affected, postponement of a game needs to be considered..
The game as a whole continues..

Re: Another positive test
ancient mariner 04 August, 2020 10:03
Back in December, before the the Corona Virus had made an appearance, I was rushed to NGH with sepsis. While this was treated urgently, what surprised me was what concerned the medics most was that it may have been caused by 'flu (I had no immunity, thanks to chemo). I was put in an isolation ward with warnings on the door, saying masks and aprons required, until they were able to say it wasn't 'flu.

If 'flu is that concerning to the health professionals the fact that Corona-19 is so much easier to transmit, and even more life threatening, explains why we are required to behave sensibly and minimise the risk of transmittal.


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