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Saints v Quins 4th October 2024 - Teams Up
By Saint Ted
October 4 2024
This is the Northampton Saints vs Harlequins match thread
Who: Northampton Saints v Harlequins
Where: Franklins Gardens
When: Friday 4th October 2024; 19:45
How do I watch: TNT 1/TNT Ultimate/Discovery +
Tickets: Individual tickets available From Saints
Match day info: Guide to the Gardens
Saints take: Saints O'ffy
Quins Take: Quins O'ffy
Officials:
Referee: Matthew Carley
Assistant referees: George Selwood and Wayne Falla
No. 4: Veryan Boscawen
TMO: Rowan Kitt
Teams:
| Northampton Saints | Harlequins | |
| George Furbank (c) | 15 | Marcus Smith |
| Tommy Freeman | 14 | Nick David |
| Fraser Dingwall | 13 | Will Joseph |
| Rory Hutchinson | 12 | Lennox Anyanwu |
| Ollie Sleightholme | 11 | Oscar Beard |
| Fin Smith | 10 | Jarrod Evans |
| Tom James | 9 | Danny Care |
| Emmanuel Iyogun | 1 | Fin Baxter |
| Curtis Langdon | 2 | Jack Walker |
| Trevor Davison | 3 | Titi Lamositele |
| Chunya Munga | 4 | Irne Herbst |
| Alex Coles | 5 | Stephan Lewies (c) |
| Josh Kemeny | 6 | Jack Kenningham |
| Tom Pearson | 7 | Will Evans |
| Sam Graham | 8 | Chandler Cunningham-South |
| Replacements: | ||
| Robbie Smith | 16 | Nathan Jibulu |
| Tom West | 17 | Jordan Els |
| Luke Green | 18 | Simon Kerrod |
| Temo Mayanavanua | 19 | Dino Lamb |
| Henry Pollock | 20 | James Chisholm |
| Archie McParland | 21 | Will Porter |
| Tom Seabrook | 22 | Bryn Bradley |
| James Ramm | 23 | Cameron Anderson |
Not available for selection:
Juarno Augustus, Emeka Atuanya, George Hendy, Callum Hunter-Hill, Tom Lockett, Alex Mitchell and Burger Odendaal.
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Discussion started by Marching On , 04/10/2024 08:43
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I somehow managed to merge the original thread into the weekend rugby thread, then managed to delete both, sorry!
That 3rd Quins try was a mile forward!
But saints struggling to impose their game.
But saints struggling to impose their game.
We need to get more involved at the breakdown and move the ball out wide a bit faster. We have been playing a bit of rope a dope though. Seen this before. Quins will keep focusing on putting men in the breakdown and we will start popping balls up and playing much faster.
Or so I hope.
Or so I hope.
Reminiscent of the boyd era.
Dowson and Radford need to light the fire at halftime we slept walked through that first half.
Dowson and Radford need to light the fire at halftime we slept walked through that first half.
Coles going off injured a big blow but getting destroyed at the Breakdown.
Kemeny nowhere as prominent as he’s been in the last 2 rounds.
Pollock on to counter Evans and Pearson to 6?
Kemeny nowhere as prominent as he’s been in the last 2 rounds.
Pollock on to counter Evans and Pearson to 6?
We are losing because we are coughing up possession and giving away territory with ill discipline. We need to score first after the break.
I don’t think saints have had the upper hand in any aspect of the game
Sorry we won a scrum penalty
Blaming the ref or forward passes is simply being blinkered to the obvious
We seem to have continued the same style of play we enjoyed for the last 20 minutes against Chiefs
Here’s hoping for a much improved 40 minutes
We are being mullered at the breakdown
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Sorry we won a scrum penalty
Blaming the ref or forward passes is simply being blinkered to the obvious
We seem to have continued the same style of play we enjoyed for the last 20 minutes against Chiefs
Here’s hoping for a much improved 40 minutes
We are being mullered at the breakdown
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Let’s hope the rest of the league aren’t watching. Dominating us at the maul and breakdown. All our weaknesses on show. We look rattled!
Let’s hope we can find a foothold at the breakdown second half. We might be about to see if Pollock is ready or not?
Let’s hope we can find a foothold at the breakdown second half. We might be about to see if Pollock is ready or not?
Well, that was quite the turnaround.
Can we please learn to start first halves like we start second halves?
Can we please learn to start first halves like we start second halves?
Much better second half
Pearson really stepped up
Last week against Exeter this week against Quins
Going to need something for nerves really soon
Pearson really stepped up
Last week against Exeter this week against Quins
Going to need something for nerves really soon
I feel a little vindicated. We looked much the better team in the second half. Still a bit too close but I am fairly happy with our progress. 2 home wins against top teams while playing below our best. Feels like we are building.
Just too passive in first half. Much better aggression in second half.
Depth of squad being tested: encouraged by Pollock and thought McParland showed better control than previously.
Depth of squad being tested: encouraged by Pollock and thought McParland showed better control than previously.
Not at the races In that first half. Decent second half with lots of chances missed aswell. 5 point win not playing great yet is positive . I thought munga had another big game. Really showing his worth now .
Nice first game of the season for me! Well done lads. Hope Cole is ok. Looked to be in a lot of pain.
Great turnaround for the second half. Hutch, Pearson, Graham and Iyogun were class
Did James fail his HIA?
Thought Iyogun was superb and was unlucky not to get MoM.
Pollock really added some energy.
According to Sam V there was no hairdryer at HT just talked about what went wrong in the 1st half but something fired the forwards up because they were a different pack in that last 40!
Definitely Favourites for next weekend!
Thought Iyogun was superb and was unlucky not to get MoM.
Pollock really added some energy.
According to Sam V there was no hairdryer at HT just talked about what went wrong in the 1st half but something fired the forwards up because they were a different pack in that last 40!
Definitely Favourites for next weekend!
We were lucky that Quins had so many injuries. Against a full strength side, I'm not sure we'd have turned it around.
I've slept on it but still feel unreasonably grumpy about Quins' third try.
Haven't watched it back yet, but it felt like a different Ref in the second half. Perhaps trying to balance the penalty count a bit?
Anyone else think Hutch has abit more physicality to him this year so far?
Re Quins 3rd try/forward pass , apparently Carley said it clipped George Furbank's back 🤔
Quote:That's laughable having watched the TNT replay. But it was the TMO who should have spotted itBerniesBestFriend
Re Quins 3rd try/forward pass , apparently Carley said it clipped George Furbank's back 🤔
The ref the TMO and all those commentating on the game didn't think it was forward. Could it be they know something people on here don't?
Of course. Apart from Austin who says “that looks iffy to me”.
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I thought Carley had a good game, the difference in the halves was the lack of intensity at the breakdown by Saints in the first half and the vast improvement in that area in the 2nd!
Have just watched the game back, not sure if I am being a bit precious? Around 38:05 on the clock Sam Graham clears out Cunningham South and holds onto his ankle. CS takes umbrage and lifts and batters his head into the ground at least 3 times. Linesman right in front and I saw it live at the ground and thought "that's not right". While Sam was being a bit of a pain I thought the head was sacrosanct and certainly off limits for this sort of thing. Any thoughts?
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I thought Carley had a good game, the difference in the halves was the lack of intensity at the breakdown by Saints in the first half and the vast improvement in that area in the 2nd!
It was the basic errors that gave Quins so much possession and ill-discipline that gave them territory in the first half. Second half we did increase our intensity but also held on to the ball and were much more accurate.
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Have just watched the game back, not sure if I am being a bit precious? Around 38:05 on the clock Sam Graham clears out Cunningham South and holds onto his ankle. CS takes umbrage and lifts and batters his head into the ground at least 3 times. Linesman right in front and I saw it live at the ground and thought "that's not right". While Sam was being a bit of a pain I thought the head was sacrosanct and certainly off limits for this sort of thing. Any thoughts?
Agreed. My wife saw it live and was incensed. I think it took place in what is a near blind spot for the TMO , although the AR should have been it. CS was niggly all match, but this was out of order.
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Players hanging onto their legs at rucks preventing the defender from being involved is one of those things I really wish refs would clamp down on.
It is blatant cheating and the defender has to either just accept it or get penalised for taking some action that looks really bad.
It is blatant cheating and the defender has to either just accept it or get penalised for taking some action that looks really bad.
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Players hanging onto their legs at rucks preventing the defender from being involved is one of those things I really wish refs would clamp down on.
It is blatant cheating and the defender has to either just accept it or get penalised for taking some action that looks really bad.
Agreed, however repeated planting of Pearson’s head at a depth suitable for turnips seems over the top.
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Quote:Sans CulottesQuote:ajack
Players hanging onto their legs at rucks preventing the defender from being involved is one of those things I really wish refs would clamp down on.
It is blatant cheating and the defender has to either just accept it or get penalised for taking some action that looks really bad.
Agreed, however repeated planing to Pearson’s head at a depth suitable for turnips seems over the top.
Agreed but you either accept it, stamp on them, punch them or do something similar to this. If you are repeatedly doing this they are not letting go. If refs clamped down on this it would stop.
While Quins third try was clearly forward, I also wonder from the highlights if the lineout was far from straight.
Quote:Agree completely. The pass for Quins third try seemed clearly forward to me. For what it's worth, Healey thought it was miles forward, in his words. The problem is they had already were again in a strong attacking position in our 22. And kept coming most of the first half.Scrumpy Half
While Quins third try was clearly forward, I also wonder from the highlights if the lineout was far from straight.
But I had also thought there was a lineout throw in the buildup was pretty far off the mark and seemed wide as well.
Surprised no one has mentioned where Freean held up Joseph over the line. Amazing bit of skill and strength.
And in the footrace he had a couple of yards or so to make up, well so it seemed. It wasn't a 1 in 10 save, seemed a I in a 100, was that good.
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Anyone else think Hutch has abit more physicality to him this year so far?
Yes. I think his defence has improved enormously in the last two years and he has been excellent all-round so far this season. He's always been an elusive runner, had an eye for a gap and a good pass but now he's carrying well and making his tackles, can see us losing him to Scotland again.
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And in the footrace he had a couple of yards or so to make up, well so it seemed. It wasn't a 1 in 10 save, seemed a I in a 100, was that good.
Well if we’re brutally critical of him, for the first Smith try he covered the ground across field too quickly forcing the inside step from Smith into the hole created by Hutch not being able to get across the field as quickly as Freemo. Havingn said that I’d rather credit Smith than criticise our boys!
Quote:Sir HectorQuote:Scrumpy Half
And in the footrace he had a couple of yards or so to make up, well so it seemed. It wasn't a 1 in 10 save, seemed a I in a 100, was that good.
Well if we’re brutally critical of him, for the first Smith try he covered the ground across field too quickly forcing the inside step from Smith into the hole created by Hutch not being able to get across the field as quickly as Freemo. Havingn said that I’d rather credit Smith than criticise our boys!
You're only quoting what Healey said in commentary.
To me the tackle was another example of the quality we've come to expect from him.
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And in the footrace he had a couple of yards or so to make up, well so it seemed. It wasn't a 1 in 10 save, seemed a I in a 100, was that good.
Well if we’re brutally critical of him, for the first Smith try he covered the ground across field too quickly forcing the inside step from Smith into the hole created by Hutch not being able to get across the field as quickly as Freemo. Havingn said that I’d rather credit Smith than criticise our boys!
You're only quoting what Healey said in commentary.
To me the tackle was another example of the quality we've come to expect from him.
Not sure that is true he did give Smith the option to cut inside which he shouldn't have done but Smith does have one of the best steps in the premiership and if you give him that much space he would be a real test for any player. I dont think that detracts from the excellence in holding Joseph up over the line.
I think virtually no player in the world stops Smith there, as soon as you've let him run at a defence that spaced out trying to cover across half the pitch you're dead - if Freeman slows up a little to keep connected to his inside man coming across and Smith accelerates away and round him.
Freeman's only real weakness in relative terms is his initial pace because he's tall and relatively heavy. When he started running back I thought Joseph had him on toast because he's much quicker in those first few yards.... then the stride gets going and he eats up the ground and has the composure and power for that tackle.
Freeman's only real weakness in relative terms is his initial pace because he's tall and relatively heavy. When he started running back I thought Joseph had him on toast because he's much quicker in those first few yards.... then the stride gets going and he eats up the ground and has the composure and power for that tackle.
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