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PREMIERSHIP POSTPONED: WHAT NEXT?


Prize postponed?

By P G Tips
March 18 2020

The Gallagher Premiership has been postponed for five weeks, which has to be the right decision. In the context of the nations health, welfare and economic prosperity, rugby is a mere sideshow. The action does though raise several questions. Does postponement for pandemic mean pandemonium or panic? Will it be only for five weeks? Is the survival of some clubs threatened? When competition begins will tournaments be completed and qualification for European competitions decided?

In the light of the rapidly changing government advice, controls and action it is clear that experts do not anticipate a state of ‘normality” to return very soon. The rugby authorities therefore must be considering their contingency plans for tournaments at national and regional level, international tours, possibly even next year’s British and Irish Lions foray to South Africa. So how will the Premiership react to a curtailed –or possibly lost – season and how will it decide which teams will represent England in the European Champions and Challenge Cups next season, assuming they are played?

 

Let’s look at some options.

 

Abandon
Abandon this season altogether and leave it incomplete. This may be the only possible response if the virus crisis drags on. However, it is probably the least satisfactory. Unions, clubs and supporters will want the game to resume at some stage. When it does, with some experts comparing rugby’s economic vulnerability to the airline industry, there will need to be clear qualification for the new season’s competitions.

 

Freeze

The Premiership could be “frozen” with all results beyond round 13 declared void. That would provide a Champion in the form of Exeter (who few neutrals would begrudge the title given the Saracens Salary Cap scandal) and 5 other qualifiers for the top European competition. Sale, Bristol and even Northampton Saints might claim that they could win through a playoff round, but given the Chiefs current lead in league points, points difference and bonus points, plus the motivation gained from close defeats in the last two finals, the Devonians would be justified favourites. If the epidemic is prolonged, this seems the fairest way to decide the title.

 

Partial Completion

If, unexpectedly, the virus is brought under control before mid summer, a partial completion might be considered. That would involve playing key fixtures – such as the Top 4 Playoff places- to determine final league positions, while leaving remaining fixtures uncompleted. This would have the benefit of deciding a Champion while not disadvantaging league positions of clubs in the relegation zone, as Saracens punishment has already solved that issue. Disadvantages could be complaints from clubs who feel they could sneak into play off places if the full round of matches were played and from lower table clubs who would lose revenue. Not ideal, but a way of clarifying European tournament places and seedings.

 

Predicted Results

A sort of “Pools Panel” option with a panel of experts or mathematical algorithm predicting results of abandoned matches in rounds 10-22. This idea founders on the absence of an agreed and widely accepted rugby equivalent of the “Duckworth –Lewis” method of deciding curtailed cricket matches. Any system would have to be agreed by the clubs or be open to challenge. It seems highly unlikely that a satisfactory solution could be agreed. The RWC option of awarding 0-0 draws would make no difference to current league standings so would achieve nothing. A messy compromise at best, such a plan would seem a lot less attractive than alternative options above.

 

Other Measures

Doubtless other ideas could be put forward, including the rather soulless prospect of matches played behind closed doors. Even that solution depends on lifting of restrictions (or in the UK Government’s terms “advice”) on public movement due to the considerable logistics involved in putting on and televising matches.

 

What does this mean for Bath?

The loss of “The Clash” would mean a big dent in the club’s revenue but for most fans the biggest disappointment would be missing a “last hurrah” for Francois Louw and seeing what snap Rhys Webb could put into Bath’s stuttering attack. The ‘Freeze’ or ‘Partial Completion’ options would see Bath into the European Champions Cup, but any delay to the season could impact on Bath’s use of the Rec for remaining fixtures, which would have to be renegotiated with the Recreation Ground Trust. It would also deprive fans of spring rugby on a (hopefully) dryer, faster pitch and the possibility of the usual end of season upturn in results.

 

While fans would probably prefer the certainty of a ‘normal’ season, with all fixtures fulfilled, that is not going to happen. None of the above ideas is perfect, some have their merits, most have drawbacks –or at least doubts to satisfy. In the absence of real rugby to celebrate or agonise over, they can at least be points for discussion.

 

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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
18/03/2020 08:36
At least SW got to see Webb in the BB&W - even if he will probably turn into the most expensive loan in history (pro-rata)...

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B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
18/03/2020 08:56
As with all other businesses covered in the media there will be financial implications and that means someone will need deep pockets to cover losses.

The season already feels a bit of a washout with Capgate so not too bothered results wise, on a wider scale I hope all the amateur clubs can get through this ok. I would imagine some clubhouse staff rely on their clubs for income.

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shipwrecked
18/03/2020 10:37
Quote:
BathMatt53
At least SW got to see Webb in the BB&W - even if he will probably turn into the most expensive loan in history (pro-rata)...

Thanks Matt, that really is a shame, it is quite likely he will only get one game!

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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
18/03/2020 11:38
Flogging dead horse comes to mind - Tigers have given up trying to sell (for their valuation anyway) for the time being.

[www.bbc.co.uk]

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BathMan in Oxford
BathMan in Oxford
18/03/2020 12:11
Here's an idea!!!

All teams ranked from 1 to 12 according to current position in league. Bath are 6.

Sat 30/5/20: Top 6 ranked sides play bottom 6 ranked sides at home with the exception of Exeter v Sarries where Exeter get a bye and Sarries are (already) relegated. So Bath are at home to Quins, Sale v Tigers, Bristol play Warriors etc etc

Sat 6/6/20: Two top ranked sides after round 1 get home semi finals. Exeter will be one by default. The other 4 remaining winning sides from round 1 play each other for the other two away semi final slots.

Sat 13 and Sat 20 as originally planned.

The current standings 1-6 will get European Cup, 7-12 Challenge Cup.

Couldn't be simpler and could even be delayed further into the summer if things haven't improved.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
18/03/2020 12:23
So Tigers could theoretically win the league from 11th place? I think that top 4 as of today should play off as they would normally as they have earned the right over the rounds already completed.

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BathMan in Oxford
BathMan in Oxford
18/03/2020 13:56
Tigers could theoretically win the premiership from 11th place as it stands if all 9 remaining games were played I guess.

Awp24975
Awp24975
18/03/2020 15:59
Well I for one wouldnít like Exeter to be crowned Champions.
As much as I love both playing and watching rugby the best thing In my opinion would be to just to abandon the season, declare it void and hopefully start again in September.
As for European qualification, think it should just be as it stands now. I know Bath are top 6, but would be saying this whatever as these are unprecedented times.
No easy answer Iím afraid, would be a shame as would be nice to see Rhys Webb and Francois a few more times, but thatís life.

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OutsideBath
18/03/2020 16:10
Scrap the season, no point trying to reschedule for June as weíll still be in lock down then.

redmix
redmix
18/03/2020 22:39
This season was a farce anyway with the Salaries debacle. Freeze the league, give Exeter the title promote Newcastle, 1-6 qualify for the big cup, 7-11 the little cup plus Newcastle, relegate Salaries. Job done. Going to miss my afternoon at HQ, but there's more important things in life right now (actually always).

China has been in lock down for 3 months, we probably will be too, and by the time we aren't preseason will have started. There's no time in the calendar to reschedule the remainder of this season if we lose 3 months. Compensation is a tricky one as I'm sure most ticket holders on here want money back for lost matches, and clubs for lost gate receipts. RFU or government need to dip in their pockets.

warrenball
warrenball
19/03/2020 08:02
Are Saracens definitely relegated if league is abandoned or were they just docked the points?

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
19/03/2020 09:00
Quote:
warrenball
Are Saracens definitely relegated if league is abandoned or were they just docked the points?

The points deduction appears to be symbolic - they accepted relegation from the Premiership

[www.saracens.com]

ďOur goal is to rebuild confidence and trust. The first step was to appoint a new independent chairman to lead on governance reform ensuring errors of the past are not replicated in the future. Furthermore, following open and frank discussions with PRL, we have accepted the unprecedented measure of automatic relegation from the Premiership at the end of the 2019-2020 season.

ďWe understand this decision will be difficult for the Saracens family to accept. The Board must embody the values of the club, learn from its mistakes so the Club can come back stronger. It is in the wider interests of the Premiership and English rugby to take this decisive step, to ensure everybody is able once again to focus on the game of rugby, which we all love.

ďWe hope that we can now start to move forward, begin to restore confidence and over time, rebuild trust with PRL, its stakeholders and the wider rugby community.Ē


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shipwrecked
19/03/2020 09:05
Is that recent Matt as its not dated?

I think the points deduction, in two phases, was just a mechanism to make sure mathematically it was impossible to stay up as you say.

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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
19/03/2020 09:18
Its dated 19th January 2020.

This was about the same time, doesn't mention the points but says that they definitely will be.

[www.premiershiprugby.com]

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B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
19/03/2020 10:47
Quote:
Awp24975
Well I for one wouldnít like Exeter to be crowned Champions.

I am assuming you just don't like them for some reason. I don't have a problem with Exeter being awarded the title, I think 13 games into the season is a decent enough sample of who is the best team. It is not as though they are having a freak run of form or likely to fall apart in some way had the season completed.



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hemington
19/03/2020 11:34
I think Exeter have a strong enough squad, coaching staff and culture to say they would have been champions this year. Not so sure about the likes of Bristol, Sale and possibly saints who have played a lot of matches at almost full strength against teams missing a lot of Internationals during AIs and 6N. These teams with their full squads returned might well have climbed up the table at the former's expense. We will probably know but those teams that lost a lot of Internationals are obviously at a distinct disadvantage should the season end now.

dcsh
dcsh
19/03/2020 16:29
Quote:
redmix
This season was a farce anyway with the Salaries debacle. Freeze the league, give Exeter the title promote Newcastle, 1-6 qualify for the big cup, 7-11 the little cup plus Newcastle, relegate Salaries. Job done.

This seems total reasonable. Exeter have been the best (cap compliant) team in the league for years and certainly deserve the recognition. The only shame would be that awarding them the title would be accompanied with an asterisk, which seems little compensation when Sarries get to keep their titles (which also have an asterisk now).

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
20/03/2020 07:41
[www.bbc.co.uk]

Players to be asked to take temporary wage cut.

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shipwrecked
20/03/2020 07:54
Whilst that is perfectly understandable you do wonder why the RFU have done nothing to help. As an organisation they really do not show any leadership whatsoever!

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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
20/03/2020 08:20
Quote:
shipwrecked
Whilst that is perfectly understandable you do wonder why the RFU have done nothing to help. As an organisation they really do not show any leadership whatsoever!

It's a tough one, particularly in relation to financial support. As a rugby supporter I don't want it to all fall apart, but to play devils advocate the Premiership clubs are multi-million pound businesses who are nearly all making big losses and who have just taken a £15m investment from a venture capitalist so although the scale of this is unforeseen I find it personally tough to have too much sympathy for those clubs who have no contingency plans (or funds) in place. I think that the RFU will have its own issues to deal with and the (Premiership) clubs will need to do what they have to, like other businesses in the UK.

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shipwrecked
20/03/2020 08:55
A valid point Matt but apart from the announcement that the RFU have suspended rugby there is nothing on the website.
Why haven't the RFU used some England players or Eddie to show them setting an example? Its a waste of rŰle models.
Thats not costly to do. They could even put up on the site old England games since the International were cancelled so that if you are stuck social distancing there is some rugby to watch. There are things that could be done to support rugby players and fans.
Having said that the rugby clubs are social centres, they could do things like coordinate shopping for those in self isolation for example.

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P G Tips
P G Tips
20/03/2020 08:55
I think the decision to ask players to take pay cuts highlights 3 key points:

1. How vulnerable a commercial model professional club rugby is
2. While the star names -the Faletaus, Priestlands, Josephs etc can probably manage, I do really sympathise with academy & fringe players who are probably paid comparatively meagre amounts -if they have to take 25% cuts they will struggle.
3. The people it will really hit (if extended to them) are the support staff -groundsmen, ticket office staff, bar staff etc.

Let's hope the virus is under control soon and a economic activity starts to revive, otherwise the virus could be the least of our worries.

PG

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shipwrecked
20/03/2020 09:15
Quote:
P G Tips
3. The people it will really hit (if extended to them) are the support staff -groundsmen, ticket office staff, bar staff etc.

Let's hope the virus is under control soon and a economic activity starts to revive, otherwise the virus could be the least of our worries.

PG

True PG I found it interesting that in football Brighton and Hove Albion took the decision to pay their ancillary staff . This decision occurred week ago.

Another football club in Manchester took the same decision for which I intentionally don't intend to link to and it gets front page billing.

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shipwrecked
20/03/2020 09:18
Just to pick up on my point above about leadership Matt,Gareth Southgate sets the sort of example I was thinking about.

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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
20/03/2020 09:38
I'm sure that someone like Pogba's wages for a single week (£290k) could probably pay for all of the ancillary staff at Man Utd. He may have to drop to supermarket own brands for a couple of weeks but I'm sure he would manage!

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Clarkey3k
20/03/2020 10:59
Rugby season over for all but the Prem - RFU Statement

Adopted players: 2019/20 T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw

Family . Community . Nation - [sdp.org.uk]

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
20/03/2020 11:09
Can't see how the Prem can't follow?

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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
20/03/2020 14:13
[www.dailymail.co.uk]

While the majority of the Premiership clubs are thought to have agreed that pay cuts are a necessary and inevitable step, it was not a unanimous decision. Sources have told Sportsmail that Bristol do not intend to reduce wages, while there were suggestions that Bath and Saracens may not either.

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CoochieCoo
20/03/2020 14:20
There is a post on the Facebook Group from Andy Briddon as follows:

Quote:
If the 2019/20 Gallagher Premiership is over, I will not be asking for a Season Ticket refund. I would rather the money was used to support the wages of Club staff who may be threatened with being laid off or being made redundant.
Stay Safe People

COYB

Although this is premature as the season hasnít been called off yet, I wonder what everyone's views are. For me I agree that the money should be used to support the staff.

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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
20/03/2020 14:30
As mentioned previously if the cash has gone then it has gone for this season IMO.

Given the potential for this to stretch out into next season I won't be renewing but will pick up tickets on a match by match basis if available. Unfortunately I'm not wealthy enough to blow the money propping up a wealthy business (OK they lose money) particularly when I have no idea what the size of my next pay chq may be. Add that to the fact that my son will now be an adult ticket rather than a child and that's not far short of £1k all in.

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OutsideBath
20/03/2020 15:13
Quote:
BathMatt53
Can't see how the Prem can't follow?

+1, this season is over.

Also as this virus is going to be causing serious disruption until at least the end of this year they can probably kiss goodbye to a full season for 2020/21 as well. Don't see how the club can even think about selling season tickets for next season as we don't even know for sure when it will start.

P G Tips
P G Tips
20/03/2020 15:41
Quote:
CoochieCoo
There is a post on the Facebook Group from Andy Briddon as follows:
Quote:
If the 2019/20 Gallagher Premiership is over, I will not be asking for a Season Ticket refund. I would rather the money was used to support the wages of Club staff who may be threatened with being laid off or being made redundant.
Stay Safe People

COYB

Although this is premature as the season hasnít been called off yet, I wonder what everyone's views are. For me I agree that the money should be used to support the staff.

I'm in this camp.
Happy to contribute to staff job security with this season's ticket cost.
If the virus is under control by August I am happy to buy for next season too.

I will vote on the poll.

PG

Boldangrey
Boldangrey
20/03/2020 21:52
The Championship is now ended.

So who gets promoted if Saracens go down?

9215
9215
20/03/2020 22:00
Newcastle presumably, I donít think thereís much doubt thatís what would have happened if the championship were completed.

one fine day
one fine day
21/03/2020 00:30
Sale might have something to say re Exeter being awarded the title. As only a few points separate them and sale have faced Saries at home whereas Exeter have not. I'm quite sure if only hypothetically that Saries would certainty treat it like a cup final. Sale could then be top of the league. There is just no fare way to adjudicate this mess.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
21/03/2020 06:47
[twitter.com]

2 points:

1) this is a great idea to check on those who are self isolating and bring a bit of fun to their day;
2) he looks about 10 years younger without the beard!

Hopefully the Bath players will give Ballsout a call and we can all listen in? spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

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dcsh
dcsh
21/03/2020 07:44
The Guardian is reporting that:
ďSaracens, Wasps, Worcester and Gloucester on Friday became the first top-flight clubs to agree 25% pay cuts with their players and staff from next monthĒ

[www.theguardian.com]

This may bring Sarries under the salary cap for this season, easing their qualification to return after one season...

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
21/03/2020 08:14
Open letter to supporters

[www.bathrugby.com]

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shipwrecked
21/03/2020 09:30
Quote:
BathMatt53
https://twitter.com/brad_shields/status/1240265727044706309
2 points:

1) this is a great idea to check on those who are self isolating and bring a bit of fun to their day;
2) he looks about 10 years younger without the beard!

Hopefully the Bath players will give Ballsout a call and we can all listen in? spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

Completely agree and he is unrecognisable beardless!

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9215
9215
23/03/2020 10:57
Quote:
9215
Newcastle presumably, I donít think thereís much doubt thatís what would have happened if the championship were completed.
[www.bbc.co.uk]
Apparently Ealing reckon there is doubt

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hasta
23/03/2020 11:22
As a member at Ealing I'm really pretty unimpressed with that.

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OutsideBath
23/03/2020 12:16
Totally agree with Richards, the financial markets are in an unstoppable free fall, people are dying and we are set for martial law in the UK. Ealing @#$%& about losing out on promotion is offensive.



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9215
9215
23/03/2020 14:26
Yes, itís really not appropriate given the circumstances

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hasta
23/03/2020 16:33
Ealing do not have a Premiership quality stadium.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
23/03/2020 17:37
I think that they wanted to share another ground and it all has the green light.

[www.therugbypaper.co.uk]

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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
23/03/2020 18:00
I can only think that this is driven by BT sport money etc? I'm not sure any of the supporters are so bothered that the teams have to cram in a load of games for not much reason other than financial?

[www.bbc.co.uk]

Is there anyone on this board who is absolutely adamant that it must be completed - put your hand up if so I am interested to hear the reasoning...and totally open to be convinced.

(I am still of the view that it should be given to Exe, Sarries go down and if there are euro places up for grabs give them to top 4 and hold a lottery or something for the rest. If Bath are in the big or little cup I don't think that our lives would be hugely impacted - in fact we may even see a couple of wins?)

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P G Tips
P G Tips
23/03/2020 18:12
I cannot see how Mr Childs' aim can be practically implemented. Nor how it would be in any way responsible.

The ambition to be "the first sport back on television" is one thing - to expect that to be feasible this season (or even over the summer) highly unrealistic.


PG

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shipwrecked
23/03/2020 18:26
I would agree Matt, the only proviso I would make if in any way possible would be that the top 4 teams play a play off. Perhaps at one venue (Twickers) over one weekend.

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redmix
redmix
23/03/2020 18:39
Mr Childs is living up to his name

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
23/03/2020 18:55
Quote:
shipwrecked
I would agree Matt, the only proviso I would make if in any way possible would be that the top 4 teams play a play off. Perhaps at one venue (Twickers) over one weekend.

My only issue with that is that the players wonít have thrown a ball in anger for a couple of months - will be a lottery basically.

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OutsideBath
23/03/2020 19:05
Scrap the PL season with no winner, still relegate Sarries on the basis of cap breach. PL should concentrate on getting next season going sometime in 2021 because this virus isnít going away this year.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
24/03/2020 11:29
so:

1) Already late season;
2) Premiership say they want to complete;
3) now euro cups want to complete

[www.bbc.co.uk]

I hope that the players are ready to play on hard ground every 2 days over the summer...when they are already out of contract and playing for a team that they have just 'left'.

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gaz59
gaz59
24/03/2020 13:11
Talk of mid week matches and shorter pre season

Madness

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shipwrecked
24/03/2020 13:40
Quote:
gaz59
Talk of mid week matches and shorter pre season
Madness

Has to be money, TV contracts?

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JFPC
JFPC
24/03/2020 17:38
Given the likely timelines on all this, there will only be half a season next year so they could just complete this season in spring 2021.

Adopted player 2019/20 Will Chudley.

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OutsideBath
24/03/2020 18:40
Given that an ambulance has to be present how can they even think of playing games in 2020?

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
24/03/2020 18:58
Just wait for the International tour organisers to say that the tours and friendlies are still on and it will be the full house...

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Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
24/03/2020 19:19
Already booked for the Marseilles Final and the Japan England tour. Good job I have travel insurance!!

dcsh
dcsh
24/03/2020 19:50
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Talk of mid week matches and shorter pre season
Madness

Has to be money, TV contracts?
Whatís happened to all that talk of player welfare?! Maybe clubs could be restricted from field the same players for consecutive matches, so would have to dig deep into the squad/academy. Could make for some very lopsided matches, not sure there would be much point in that.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
26/03/2020 13:26
So much for a 25% pay cut - Newcastle Falcons have had to place ALL staff on unpaid leave.

[www.bbc.co.uk]

Championship club Newcastle Falcons have placed all their players and staff on furlough - a period of unpaid leave - because of coronavirus.

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OutsideBath
26/03/2020 13:56
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So much for a 25% pay cut - Newcastle Falcons have had to place ALL staff on unpaid leave.
[www.bbc.co.uk]

Championship club Newcastle Falcons have placed all their players and staff on furlough - a period of unpaid leave - because of coronavirus.

That doesn't seem like Newcastle are acting correctly, unless none of them are PAYE staff.

Read a piece by Martin Lewis and he explained that "If you are PAYE for a contracted employer, the company can say we'll put you on furlough and the state will pay 80 percent of your salary up to a maximum of £2,500". So that's not unpaid leave.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
27/03/2020 09:02
[www.theguardian.com]

Players being urged to reject the cuts as currently structured

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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
27/03/2020 14:58
Bath statement to confirm the pay cuts, provide update and generally be upbeat and nice:

[www.bathrugby.com]

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OutsideBath
27/03/2020 16:36
Club seem to be doing a good job during this crisis, really nice to read what theyíre doing.

bathwickboy
bathwickboy
28/03/2020 12:29
I have no medical training but from reading many articles, it does not seem to me that this virus will simply vanish overnight but that it is more likely to diminish slowly. When it does finally disappear it will take time for things to get back to anywhere near normality
Surely it is time that we simply cancelled remaining fixtures in the Premiership. Saracens will be relegated and if you really want to name a 'champion club', I don't think many would be too upset with Exeter. The top 6 clubs can take part in the European cup next year. I know that I do not have to deal with the financial pressures of making money through sport and no matches equal lost revenue but this year is like no other, therefore scrap the fixtures, plan for next season when hopefully things will have returned to normal. Refunds for unplayed matches etc can be worked out.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
28/03/2020 13:22
Whisper it quietly but are we so sure that it (or something similar) won't be back next spring in time to disrupt the next season too?

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shipwrecked
28/03/2020 13:29
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Whisper it quietly but are we so sure that it (or something similar) won't be back next spring in time to disrupt the next season too?

Hope not, won't we have added it to the cocktail that is the flu jab by then?

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hemington
28/03/2020 16:21
I have visions of all the coaches (at Bath and elsewhere) poring over videos and designing loads of novel attack and defence patterns. Could be interesting to see what emerges when playing starts again.

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FourSticks
28/03/2020 16:25
Bath statement to confirm the pay cuts, provide update and generally be upbeat and nice:

Seemingly not

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
28/03/2020 16:27
That would be shameful and I would be embarrassed to be a Bath supporter if that is true.

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Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
28/03/2020 16:37
How does that tie in with this - [www.somersetlive.co.uk] - announcement? Have they been told, and are happy, or unhappy?

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shipwrecked
28/03/2020 16:39
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That would be shameful and I would be embarrassed to be a Bath supporter if that is true.

+1

I wonder who they are and how many, cant imagine Hooper would appreciate that much either.

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shipwrecked
28/03/2020 18:42
Apparently Bath players are going to be asked to sign a letter to send to Tarquin saying the cut is a breach of contract. " We do not agree in the reduction of our pay. This is a breach of contract and we reserve our rights to claim our full contractural entitlement. "

No names are mentioned as to who has written the letter. Legally correct but not exactly career advancing either at Bath or any club for that matter.
The implication is that its not only Bath players.

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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
28/03/2020 18:58
I would be quite happy for any players that think their (decent) salaries are more important than the club staying solvent to move on tbh. Iím sure their are guys in there who would play for nothing if needed. Contrast this with people like Danny Care on the RUW podcast who made it clear that itís not great but that, if this is what is needed, then itís a necessary sting in a time when lots (most?) of the country are having to similarly tighten their belts through furlough or similar. Before anyone asks me whether I would say that to the face of any player who is of this view, yes I would - assuming that it is actually true of course.

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Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
28/03/2020 19:46
+1

This feels very, very misguided...............I think some agents need to be having a word with their charges.

Anyone who signs it can take the Club to court for breach of contract. The Club will of course lose.

The player will of course ultimately lose.

What they really need to reflect on is 25% down going to be the new norm.............and consequently the Clubs might then become viable.

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shipwrecked
28/03/2020 19:54
I wonder if its a devious plan conceived by Premiership owners to ensure they stay within cap limits next year?

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P G Tips
P G Tips
28/03/2020 20:02
Mmmm......2 highly conflicting stories.

Letís wait and see which is true.

PG

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
28/03/2020 20:08
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P G Tips
Mmmm......2 highly conflicting stories.
Letís wait and see which is true.

PG

Yes indeed - I have my fingers firmly crossed that the rugby paper story is garbage.

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9215
9215
28/03/2020 23:15
Isnít this something thatís being advised to all players, not just Bath, by the RPA?

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