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By CoochieCoo
June 5 2020

Bath Squad including Academy for 2020/21. Please let me know of any errors or omissions.

Age is at 1 September 2020  
         
EQP 52 86.7  %  
         
FORWARDS   23  
         
Nat Pos Age Player Contracted to
ENG  HK 24 Tom Doughty Promoted from Academy July 2019
ENG HK 25 Jack Walker Undisclosed extension signed Jan 2018
ENG HK 28 Tom Dunn 2021/22
ENG HK 34 Ross Batty Two year extension signed April 2019
ENG PR 23 Will Vaughan 2018/19 undisclosed to Senior 2019/20 Jan 2019
ENG PR 25 Lewis Boyce Undisclosed contract signed Jan 2019
ENG PR 25 Will Stuart Undisclosed contract signed Jan 2019
ENG PR 26 Beno Obano 2020/21
ENG PR 28 Christan Judge Undisclosed contract signed Jan 2019
SA PR 28 Juan Schoeman Undisclosed contract signed Jun 2020
ENG PR 29 Henry Thomas 1 year extension signed Jun 2020
ENG PR 33 Nathan Catt Undisclosed contract extension signed Nov 2018
ENG LK 26 Charlie Ewels Undisclosed contract extension signed Nov 2018
ENG LK 27 Elliott Stooke Undisclosed contract extension signed Nov 2018
ENG LK 28 Will Spencer Undisclosed contract signed Jun 2020
ENG BR 22 Miles Reid 2018/19 undisclosed to Senior 2019/20 Jan 2019
ENG BR 23 Josh Bayliss Undisclosed extension 2017/18 senior in 2018/19
ENG BR 24 Zach Mercer 2020/21 ext signed Nov 2018
ENG BR 25 Sam Underhill Extension to 2022/23 signed Jan 2020
ENG BR 26 Tom Ellis Extension to 2021/22 signed Jan 2020
ENG BR/LK 30 Mike Williams Undisclosed contract signed Jan 2019
WAL BR 30 Taulupe Faletau Long term undisclosed contract signed 2018
ENG BR/LK 31 Josh McNally Undisclosed contract extension signed Nov 2018
         
BACKS     17  
         
Nat Pos  Age Player Contracted to
ENG SH 21 Ollie Fox Promoted from Academy July 2019
ENG SH 24 Max Green Undisclosed extension signed Jun 2020
ENG SH 32 Will Chudley 2019/20
ENG SH 27 Ben Spencer 3 year contract signed Jun 2020
ENG FH/CE 21 Cameron Redpath Signed Feb 2020 3 year contract
WAL FH 33 Rhys Priestland 2 year extension signed Apr 2019 2020/21
ENG CE 24 Max Clark Undisclosed extension signed Jun 2020
ENG CE 24 Max Wright Extension to 2022/23 signed Jan 2020
ENG CE 29 Jonathan Joseph Undisclosed extension signed Jan 2019
FIJ CE 30 Josh Matavesi Two year contract signed Jun 2020
ENG WG 20 Gabriel Hamer-Webb Undisclosed contract signed Jun 2020
ENG WG 22 Joe Cokanasiga 2020/21
ENG WG 33 Semesa Rokodugini Undisclosed long term contract signed Oct 2018
ENG WG 24 Will Muir Undiclosed contract signed Augut 2020
ENG FB/CE/FH 20 Tom de Glanville Undisclosed contract signed July 2019
ENG FB/WG 23 Darren Atkins Promoted to Senior squad 2018/19
ENG FB/WG 26 Anthony Watson Undisclosed extension signed Nov 2018
ENG FB/WG 28 Ruaridh Macconochie 2022/3 signed June 2019
         
ACADEMY   19  
         
Nat Pos  Age Player Contracted to
ENG BR 19 Ethan Staddon Signed Jun 2020
ENG BR 19 Frankie Read Signed Jun 2020
ENG BR 20 Nahum Merigan Signed 2019 undisclosed
ENG BR 20 Xavier Hastings Signed May 2019 Long term
ENG BR/LK 21 Oli Cattell Signed 2018/19 undisclosed
ENG BR/LK 20 Tom Jeanes Signed 2018/19 undisclosed
ENG CE 20 Max Ojomoh Signed 2019 undisclosed
ENG CE 20 Will Butt Signed 2018/19 undisclosed
ENG FH 19 Orlando Bailey Signed Jun 2020
ENG FH/FB 20 George Worboys Signed May 2019 Long Term
ENG HK 20 John Stewart Signed Jun 2020
ITA HK 20 Sam Elrick Signed 2018/19 undisclosed
ENG LK 19 Ewan Richards Signed Jun 2020
WAL PR 20 Archie Griffin Signed 2019 undisclosed
ENG PR 22 Arthur Cordwell Signed 2017/18 undisclosed
ENG PR 21 Kieran Verden Signed 2017/18 undisclosed
ITA PR 20 Simone Elrick Signed 2018/19 undisclosed
ENG SH 19 Tom Carr-Smith Signed Jun 2020
ENG WG 19 Gabe Goss Signed Jun 2020

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Bath Squad 2020/21 updated 24 Aug 2020
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020:08:24:13:29:20 by CoochieCoo.

Dave248
Dave248
05/06/2020 15:07
Shaping up nicely. Appreciate the quick update guys great stuff. I think we’l see 3 more signings

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Rawce
05/06/2020 15:52
Is that 19 out of 40 in the Senior Squad that have been through our academy at some stage? We’re nearly at 50% already then, notwithstanding further incoming players which would adjust it down. What's the definition of home grown? Born within the peaks of the 7 hills of Bath?



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charlieboa
charlieboa
05/06/2020 18:20
I think although john stewart has played backrow isnt he primarily a hooker?

MESSAGES->author
CoochieCoo
05/06/2020 18:59
Quote:
charlieboa
I think although john stewart has played backrow isnt he primarily a hooker?
yes seen him on team lists in either position. I will change to Hooker.
Adopted player 20/21: Will Spencer - welcome home http://v4admin.sportnetwork.net/upload/105/105_0_1597354200.jpg

http://v4admin.sportnetwork.net/upload/105/105_0_1597330055.jpghttp://v4admin.sportnetwork.net/upload/105/105_0_1597330111.jpg

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joethefanatic
06/06/2020 01:18
Quote:
Rawce
Is that 19 out of 40 in the Senior Squad that have been through our academy at some stage? We’re nearly at 50% already then, notwithstanding further incoming players which would adjust it down. What's the definition of home grown? Born within the peaks of the 7 hills of Bath?

I like the idea of the 7 hills of Bsth. Is it actually a thing?

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
06/06/2020 10:01
Quote:
joethefanatic
Quote:
Rawce
Is that 19 out of 40 in the Senior Squad that have been through our academy at some stage? We’re nearly at 50% already then, notwithstanding further incoming players which would adjust it down. What's the definition of home grown? Born within the peaks of the 7 hills of Bath?

I like the idea of the 7 hills of Bsth. Is it actually a thing?

Yep, like Rome.

[visitbath.co.uk]

(according to the tinternet: Combe Down, Odd Down, Lansdown, Claverton Down, Bathampton Down, Bathwick Hill and Salisbury Hill)

[Adoptee: Tom Doughty - dynamic hooker born in Brighton, made at Team Bath. Record for BUCS top try scorer within a season]



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dcsh
dcsh
06/06/2020 10:20
Tom de Glanville should probably be listed as full back, centre and then fly half.

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Rawce
06/06/2020 15:00
It is but I only realised after going on a chocolate making experience in Newton St Lowe a couple of years ago and I think the chocolatiers called themselves Seven Hills or something.

Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
06/06/2020 15:11
Not sure if Southdown qualifies better than Bathwick Hill? Bathwick Hill leads up to Claverton Down?
Then there's Bathford Hill (the actual hill with the 'Pepperpot' on top,not the road) and Little Solsbury Hill (of Peter Gabriel fame) to the East.

MESSAGES->author
CoochieCoo
06/06/2020 16:18
What about Widcombe Hill? I think one of our esteemed members live up that hill and so does Victor Ubogo!

Adopted player 20/21: Will Spencer - welcome home http://v4admin.sportnetwork.net/upload/105/105_0_1597354200.jpg

http://v4admin.sportnetwork.net/upload/105/105_0_1597330055.jpghttp://v4admin.sportnetwork.net/upload/105/105_0_1597330111.jpg

Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
06/06/2020 16:41
I suspect that it's 'tongue in cheek time', CC, but I think the idea is that the flat bit at the top is what's relevant, otherwise you'd be including Gays Hill, Margaret's Hill, Snow Hill and even Hay Hill (3 houses long, I believe!).

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joethefanatic
07/06/2020 05:27
Quote:
BathMatt53
Quote:
joethefanatic
Quote:
Rawce
Is that 19 out of 40 in the Senior Squad that have been through our academy at some stage? We’re nearly at 50% already then, notwithstanding further incoming players which would adjust it down. What's the definition of home grown? Born within the peaks of the 7 hills of Bath?

I like the idea of the 7 hills of Bsth. Is it actually a thing?

Yep, like Rome.

[visitbath.co.uk]

(according to the tinternet: Combe Down, Odd Down, Lansdown, Claverton Down, Bathampton Down, Bathwick Hill and Salisbury Hill)

Presumably Solsbury Hill smiling smiley If that one counts then what considered as Bath has expanded a lot since I left. That's Larkhall and Bathampton, that is. I used to live across the valley on Woolley Lane.

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu



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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
07/06/2020 09:31
Quite right JTF, need my zummerzet predictive text on...

[Adoptee: Tom Doughty - dynamic hooker born in Brighton, made at Team Bath. Record for BUCS top try scorer within a season]



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opti
Optimist
09/06/2020 17:29
Something else worthy of note is that the Academy group is much more varied in position than I can remember it. There was a period of about 3 years when all we seemed to have were hookers and props. You can just about make a starting XV from that group .... there's even a f'ing scrum-half, praise the lord.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
09/06/2020 17:41
All I know is that since I have been doing a bit of cycling.............they are all f!"£$%^& steep!

Made worse by the fact that to get home I always have to cycle up one at the endthumbs up

charlieboa
charlieboa
09/06/2020 18:43
Quote:
Optimist
Something else worthy of note is that the Academy group is much more varied in position than I can remember it. There was a period of about 3 years when all we seemed to have were hookers and props. You can just about make a starting XV from that group .... there's even a f'ing scrum-half, praise the lord.

Does feel nicely balanced for once doesnt it. As you say the miracle has happened and there is a pair of genuinely exciting half backs in there.

Are we assuming that the only leavers are rhys davies and hamer-webb so overall numbers go up by 5? Or some others to leave but just not confirmed yet?

TomReagan
TomReagan
10/06/2020 00:01
Hamer-Webb??

charlieboa
charlieboa
10/06/2020 05:28
Quote:
TomReagan
Hamer-Webb??

As in he has left the senior academy and now in the first team squad.....

TomReagan
TomReagan
10/06/2020 09:45
Phew! Sorry!

opti
Optimist
10/06/2020 10:25
I've been, and remain a bit ambivalent about Hooper. But he is clearly a very methodical, building-blocks kind of guy. It does require Craig to have a lot of patience and faith, because things like the Academy situation above don't get many headlines and don't get fans jumping around with excitement. It's perfectly possible that all of this patient, building from the ground up will bear fruit in a couple of seasons' time. On the other hand, if it doesn't bear fruit, nobody will have 'enjoyed the ride very much'.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
10/06/2020 12:11
Opti

I actually think people like seeing a young person.............particularly a local young person improving and developing as we watch over a few years and gradually making progress into the First Team Squad, regular late replacement, the odd start here and there to becoming the number one pick.

If they play dazzling rugby so much the better......

Mercer was never quite good enough but was cut a lot of slack by the crowd.............

opti
Optimist
10/06/2020 13:51
Sure ... i agree people get excited to see a local kid coming through. But that's when they hit the first team, not when they are in the Academy.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
10/06/2020 13:54
Quote:
Optimist
Sure ... i agree people get excited to see a local kid coming through. But that's when they hit the first team, not when they are in the Academy.

There has bee a lot of talk on this board about a certain fly half coming through who was still at school and hadn't even hit the academy at that point!

[Adoptee: Tom Doughty - dynamic hooker born in Brighton, made at Team Bath. Record for BUCS top try scorer within a season]

P G Tips
P G Tips
10/06/2020 15:02
Indeed Matt.

I hope that our (and the club's) expectations don't prove too much for him.

IMHO one of Cipriani's difficulties was the unrealistic expectation of him at IIRC aged 17 that he would be England's saviour.

PG

opti
Optimist
10/06/2020 16:57
"one of Cipriani's difficulties was the unrealistic expectation of him at IIRC aged 17"

What was unrealistic about that expectation? He made his first England start aged 21 and played magnificently.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
10/06/2020 17:05
George Ford played for Leicester at 16 so its certainly possible if you are good enough. Farrell was 17y 11d.

[Adoptee: Tom Doughty - dynamic hooker born in Brighton, made at Team Bath. Record for BUCS top try scorer within a season]

P G Tips
P G Tips
10/06/2020 17:11
He did Opti, but failed to sustain the promise.
Not helped I admit by England’s coaching & selection during 2008-2014.

PG

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joethefanatic
11/06/2020 07:54
Quote:
P G Tips
He did Opti, but failed to sustain the promise.
Not helped I admit by England’s coaching & selection during 2008-2014.

PG

Or by the badly broken leg.

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu



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P G Tips
P G Tips
11/06/2020 08:48
I’d forgotten that Joe.
Thanks.

PG

charlieboa
charlieboa
26/06/2020 15:43
[www.rugbypass.com]

Very interesting and well informed analysis as ever from alex shaw.

Agree we are slightly light at lock but mike williams can play there at a push.

Also back three but great opp for ghw and tdg to get plenty of game time.

As hoops has said sure we are still on the lookout for a utility back who can play 10.

Interesting it says we are one of the clubs who moved fast to sort long term deals to benefit from the cap from 21/22. Wonder if they are just options added or we will see announcements as with johnny may at glos...

opti
Optimist
26/06/2020 16:57
"slightly light at lock" .... are you kidding? We are heavyweight at lock - Ewels, Stooke, McNally, Spencer with Ellis and Williams as back-up is as good a 'stable' as any in the prem.

Bepetas
Bepetas
26/06/2020 19:00
Quote:
Optimist
"slightly light at lock" .... are you kidding? We are heavyweight at lock - Ewels, Stooke, McNally, Spencer with Ellis and Williams as back-up is as good a 'stable' as any in the prem.

I agree Optimist, there should be plenty of cover in the second row, there is also Tom Jeanes in the academy. I'm not sure we have enough cover at tighthead either, Will Stuart could well be away with England and Henry Thomas has been unlucky with injuries, that only leaves Christian Judge and academy lads.

Good to see Will Butt in the BUCS team of the year... [www.talkingrugbyunion.co.uk]

MESSAGES->author
CoochieCoo
26/06/2020 19:10
Quote:
Bepetas
Quote:
Optimist
"slightly light at lock" .... are you kidding? We are heavyweight at lock - Ewels, Stooke, McNally, Spencer with Ellis and Williams as back-up is as good a 'stable' as any in the prem.

I agree Optimist, there should be plenty of cover in the second row, there is also Tom Jeanes in the academy. I'm not sure we have enough cover at tighthead either, Will Stuart could well be away with England and Henry Thomas has been unlucky with injuries, that only leaves Christian Judge and academy lads.

Good to see Will Butt in the BUCS team of the year... [www.talkingrugbyunion.co.uk]

What about Juan S isn’t he a tight head?

Adopted player 20/21: Will Spencer - welcome home http://v4admin.sportnetwork.net/upload/105/105_0_1597354200.jpg

http://v4admin.sportnetwork.net/upload/105/105_0_1597330055.jpghttp://v4admin.sportnetwork.net/upload/105/105_0_1597330111.jpg

charlieboa
charlieboa
26/06/2020 20:17
Think he is predominantly a loosehead cc.

I think his point was we only have 4 specialist (excellent) locks. That isnt many when a few could get england call ups and with the attrition rates you see. Williams i don't think has played there for a few years and ellis even longer.

As you there is tom jeanes to consider as his point was richards and staddon are too young to be genuine options at this stage which i agree with.

I really rate alex shaw as an analyst esp when it comes to schoolboy/u18/20 rugby.

bardofavon
bardofavon
27/06/2020 11:40
we have lost three second rows- Garvey, Douglas and Rhys Davies. these have been replaced by one- Will Spencer.
Alex Shaw states in today's rugby pass article that bath were one of the first teams to extend contracts to beat the deadline for the reduced salary cap, so we now have no idea how long players are contracted for.

Bepetas
Bepetas
27/06/2020 15:54
Now Francois Louw has retired, who takes his place as a marquee player? or are we waiting to hire a marquee player?

charlieboa
charlieboa
27/06/2020 18:14
Rumours that underhill will be on pretty big money. Maybe him and faletau?

Watson signed whilst coming back from his double achilles snap which i imagine lessened his bargaining power.

Our use of marquee is a bugbear for me. I would rather get players in whose sole focus is the club like bristols approach over the last few seasons with luatua and piatau. Vfm from faletau and underhill has been fairly dreadful due to international commitments and injury.

opti
Optimist
27/06/2020 18:16
“ we have lost three second rows- Garvey, Douglas and Rhys Davies“ - how many combined minutes of 1st team action did those 3 clock up last season?

charlieboa
charlieboa
27/06/2020 18:29
Quote:
Optimist
“ we have lost three second rows- Garvey, Douglas and Rhys Davies“ - how many combined minutes of 1st team action did those 3 clock up last season?

Not sure, not loads i imagine but all three did play for the firsts. I think mcnally and stooke were pretty much available all the time, ewels had a spell out with his knee.

If mike williams can do a decent job there i think we will be ok. Ellis trimmed down a lot since moving to back row. Not sure how highly rated jeanes is. Richards and staddon clearly very good but are only 18!

K-Nut
Bod
28/06/2020 00:58
Quote:
charlieboa
Rumours that underhill will be on pretty big money. Maybe him and faletau?
Watson signed whilst coming back from his double achilles snap which i imagine lessened his bargaining power.

Our use of marquee is a bugbear for me. I would rather get players in whose sole focus is the club like bristols approach over the last few seasons with luatua and piatau. Vfm from faletau and underhill has been fairly dreadful due to international commitments and injury.

I'd let Falatau go. He only wants to play for Wales, and I don't blame him. But he's as beaten up as Warburton now and won't be physically able to do a job for Bath. The Regions would manage him better and still find a decent wedge for him.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
29/06/2020 18:27
Leavers celebrated by the club:

[www.bathrugby.com]

Nice touch here, little photo memories of each of the 16 leavers: [twitter.com]

[Adoptee: Tom Doughty - dynamic hooker born in Brighton, made at Team Bath. Record for BUCS top try scorer within a season]



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ballsout
ballsout
30/06/2020 00:33
Well done the club, something positive!

Bepetas
Bepetas
30/06/2020 11:36
Quote:
BathMatt53
Leavers celebrated by the club:
[www.bathrugby.com]

Nice touch here, little photo memories of each of the 16 leavers: [twitter.com]

I was really pleased to see this, showing leaving players some respect and gratitude has to be a good thing. Hopefully it means recruitment has been undertaken in a more professional manner, no more players finding out they were released via text. If Stuart Hooper is the catalyst for this then good on him, it has to be a big step forward in creating a Bath culture.

bardofavon
bardofavon
30/06/2020 13:06
Quote:
Optimist
“ we have lost three second rows- Garvey, Douglas and Rhys Davies“ - how many combined minutes of 1st team action did those 3 clock up last season?

they were in the reserves category but you need players like that, especially if two of your first choices are away with england and another is injured. Rhys Davies is going to be a top player. a pity he has chosen to go back to his native Wales but understandable, as I believe the wrfu requested him.

charlieboa
charlieboa
02/07/2020 20:23
Senior and academy squads updated on the offy.

Some interesting bits and pieces on the new academy recruits.

sirtidychris
sirtidychris
13/07/2020 12:17
Whats the deal with Big Joe C ? is he back yet, his injury sounds like a really nasty one is there even a timeline on his return ?

opti
Optimist
13/07/2020 12:43
And what's the deal on Thomas, Catt, Atkins and Reid? Are they back in the mix?



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opti
Optimist
13/07/2020 12:49
.... also - quite excited to see that Tom de Glanville is listed on the senior squad as 'Fly half, utility back' ... is that a hint that he is being groomed for that position for this season? I really hope so.

I know that it's typical for the stand-out players to automatically play fly-half when they are young, but i always think it's a shame that certain players are ushered away from that position for some perceived lack of 'game management skills', when that could just as easily be a function of inexperience, rather than an inability to acquire those skills.

P G Tips
P G Tips
13/07/2020 12:51
Big Joe plus those named by Opti all expected back fit for resumption of Premiership- when the squad update came out early June.

PG



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shipwrecked
13/07/2020 12:55
Quote:
Optimist
.... also - quite excited to see that Tom de Glanville is listed on the senior squad as 'Fly half, utility back' ... is that a hint that he is being groomed for that position for this season? I really hope so.
I know that it's typical for the stand-out players to automatically play fly-half when they are young, but i always think it's a shame that certain players are ushered away from that position for some perceived lack of 'game management skills', when that could just as easily be a function of inexperience, rather than an inability to acquire those skills.

Good spot old chap!

As I said before I think we will go what we have, keep the money in the bank until the right 10 comes along. TDG being marked down as a 10 sort of indicates that.

https://i.ibb.co/pZ68Lvp/Ollie-Fox.jpg

Ollie Fox - England U20 international scrum half, youngest of our four 9's. If you are good enough, you're old enough!

MESSAGES->author
joethefanatic
13/07/2020 23:51
Quote:
shipwrecked
Quote:
Optimist
.... also - quite excited to see that Tom de Glanville is listed on the senior squad as 'Fly half, utility back' ... is that a hint that he is being groomed for that position for this season? I really hope so.
I know that it's typical for the stand-out players to automatically play fly-half when they are young, but i always think it's a shame that certain players are ushered away from that position for some perceived lack of 'game management skills', when that could just as easily be a function of inexperience, rather than an inability to acquire those skills.

Good spot old chap!

As I said before I think we will go what we have, keep the money in the bank until the right 10 comes along. TDG being marked down as a 10 sort of indicates that.

For those of us who haven't seen him play, what kind of a 10 is he?

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

MESSAGES->author
shipwrecked
14/07/2020 00:50
I'd describe him as a hard running counter attacking 15 who can play 10. Quite versatile but for me he is a centre before he is a 10.

https://i.ibb.co/pZ68Lvp/Ollie-Fox.jpg

Ollie Fox - England U20 international scrum half, youngest of our four 9's. If you are good enough, you're old enough!

Ali1969
Ali1969
14/07/2020 17:16
Personally I believe as things stand our squad is weaker than last year. The players we have lost and may lose outweigh what we have brought in.

I am not easy about going into a campaign with only one recognised 10 + players who can fill in. What if we lose RP first game of the season?? What makes us think we can attract /land a medical joker or whoever to see us through when we have been unable to attract a 10 since 2016.

Just hope something is in the pipeline. The news of Roko possibly leaving coupled with other squads arguably stronger than ours already strengthening is concerning to me.

Oh well just have to shout louder and drink more.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
17/07/2020 16:40
Quote:
Ali1969
Personally I believe as things stand our squad is weaker than last year. The players we have lost and may lose outweigh what we have brought in.

I think that 'brought in' undervalues the young lads who were on the fringe who are a year older - the likes of Bayliss, Atkins, Hamer Webb and Reid, with some of those who have left on the serious decline or like Paz or Alex Davies never in serious contention anyway. 10 aside I don't think that there is a huge weakening of the side.

[Adoptee: Tom Doughty - dynamic hooker born in Brighton, made at Team Bath. Record for BUCS top try scorer within a season]

charlieboa
charlieboa
18/07/2020 10:07
Completely agree matt. There are a lot of players who will develop this season into genuine regular first team options hopefully.... maybe vaughan, doughty, verden, jeanes, merigan, bailey, ojomoh, butt....but certainly reid, redpath, de glanville and hamer-webb.

Saying that i personally would be happier with 1 or 2 more in just because the sheer amount of rugby that is going to get played in the next 12 months....will be pretty brutal.

Bayliss is a good example, over the last 2 seasons he went from being a big drop off in quality from our other frontline options to me being more than happy to see him in the 23 most weeks.

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shipwrecked
18/07/2020 11:07
I'd rather see young players make mistakes through inexperience rather than seasoned players make them through loss of form.

Look how Zach Mercer has developed in a few years.

https://i.ibb.co/pZ68Lvp/Ollie-Fox.jpg

Ollie Fox - England U20 international scrum half, youngest of our four 9's. If you are good enough, you're old enough!

charlieboa
charlieboa
18/07/2020 14:05
Huge amount of time for mercer. Real leader of men i think. So often steps up and takes the game by the scruff of the neck through sheer work rate which is really impressive for a man in his early 20s.

Have seen him getting stick sometimes for being a bit of a show boater and only doing the fancy bits but i completely disagree personally.... do think he needs people like ellis along side him ideally though as complimentary skill sets.

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shipwrecked
18/07/2020 14:12
I think Eddie takes the same view, I think he just picks his moment around the fringe so in that respect you are spot on regarding Ellis. Thing is he converts opportunities into tries I'm perfectly fine with that.

https://i.ibb.co/pZ68Lvp/Ollie-Fox.jpg

Ollie Fox - England U20 international scrum half, youngest of our four 9's. If you are good enough, you're old enough!

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hasta
18/07/2020 22:39
I really disagree with that about Mercer. He always puts his hand up to carry, Faletau is way more likely to be hanging out on the wing. I think Eddie doesn't care for him because he's not big enough.

charlieboa
charlieboa
19/07/2020 07:04
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I really disagree with that about Mercer. He always puts his hand up to carry, Faletau is way more likely to be hanging out on the wing. I think Eddie doesn't care for him because he's not big enough.

Totally agree on first bit - i think his workrate is fantastic. I had assumed eddie loves massive number 8s but playing curry there doesn't really fit? Appreciate he has bulked up but probably still smaller than zach who must be about 6ft 3 and over 17 stone?

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shipwrecked
19/07/2020 10:14
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I really disagree with that about Mercer. He always puts his hand up to carry, Faletau is way more likely to be hanging out on the wing. I think Eddie doesn't care for him because he's not big enough.

Totally agree on first bit - i think his workrate is fantastic. I had assumed eddie loves massive number 8s but playing curry there doesn't really fit? Appreciate he has bulked up but probably still smaller than zach who must be about 6ft 3 and over 17 stone?

Really hard to say because we haven't had any rugby for ages but I do think he stands off a bit whereas Ellis, Dunn, Stooke are happy to simply pile in and recycle. If there is no-one around I agree he will do the nitty gritty anyway we'll see in August,

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charlieboa
charlieboa
19/07/2020 10:21
I think we are all agreeing he is a quality player and we are lucky to have him. Glad his team mates persuaded him to stay if rumours true.

I assume a host of players have signed new deals and e are sat on those announcements?

Who else has announced rafts of new deals in the last month? Leic/ exeter/ glos/ saints/sarries...anyone else?

charlieboa
charlieboa
19/07/2020 10:27
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Did he have 2 years left so is this just replacing the remaining term of previous contract on 25% lower salary?

Good result for the club if so and assume he isn't too unhappy as imagine he is still on over 300k/season

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Rawce
13/08/2020 22:18
Squad confirmed. Interesting they have Redpath as well as TdG as Full Backs.

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shipwrecked
13/08/2020 22:29
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Squad confirmed. Interesting they have Redpath as well as TdG as Full Backs.
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Also that Josh Matavesi is listed as a centre not a fly half and the two fly halves are Orlando Bailey and Rhys Priestland. Guess its all very fluid.

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Rawce
13/08/2020 23:06
I can only assume that a dedicated 10 will be announced for the new season.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
14/08/2020 05:45
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I can only assume that a dedicated 10 will be announced for the new season.

According to Hoops last night they can't find one that fits their criteria.

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Rawce
14/08/2020 09:26
Even from November for a whole new Prem season?

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
14/08/2020 09:43
Well they are looking and have been for some time, but the official line is that they haven't found one that fits all of their criteria at the moment (including availability, presumably).

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charlieboa
charlieboa
15/08/2020 09:30
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Well they are looking and have been for some time, but the official line is that they haven't found one that fits all of their criteria at the moment (including availability, presumably).

Find this worrying personally.

I can understand the relunctance to give a long term contract to the wrong man but is there no one in the world available and worth a short term contract? Doesnt have to be a world beater , just someone who has actually played lots of games at 10.

Nothing much to lose for the season finale but to try and go a full season with one senior 10 is madness.

I hope it is partially a sign they like the look of bailey after seeing him train up close with the senior squad over the last few months.

P G Tips
P G Tips
15/08/2020 10:39
It could be Charlie that they do like the look of Bailey but do not want to raise hype and expectations prematurely.

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bardofavon
bardofavon
15/08/2020 10:45
well potentially they have four other options at 10 besides the priest. redpath can play there and so can de Glanville. there is Bailey of course and there is matavesi.
hooper has spoken about next season 20-21 being different in recruitment terms than the present season 2019-2020, even though for us fans the two season are running more or less contiguously. the hunt for a ten is supposedly for next season ie from November. this being the case it does seem strange that they dumped Freddie so quickly when they had no replacement lined up. he could have been retained until December. he is not due in Japan until the new year as far as I know so he could have been offered a short term contract until then. there are quite a few of these being announced at the moment. maybe they just had enough of the guy and wanted him out of the door?

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
15/08/2020 11:07
I sincerely hope the lack of an experienced replacement 10 does not bite us in the derriere if Rhys gets injured. Bringing a youngster on with little time playing in Prem games, let alone in a pivotal position, could be bad for our game and the young man's confidence.

I know we have to bring guys through but this seems a stretch too far to me. Other sides will target a new boy and it could get very bloody indeed. As someone has said, IMV Freddie should have been offered a contract until he has to go to Japan as we have no one else in the horizon. I wonder who or whom made the decision to go without, the bean counters or coaches?

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OBinFiji
OBinFiji
15/08/2020 11:13
BoB
I'd suggest we're relying on the backup for the rest of this season in the form of a seasoned international who played standoff at the last world cup. OK, not the best of world cups for him - but, nevertheless I don't think that puts him in the 'boy' slot. If they can find a way to fit some game time in for Bailey as well, then thats a bonus.

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