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By Shipwrecked
October 7 2020

What do we need to do to be Exeter Chiefs in the Play Off Semi. 

Front Five. 

We have absolutely no problem dominating teams upfront and have done so on several occasions this season, what we need to do now is dominate for the full 80 minutes as often for the last quarter we have struggled to produce the same form for as the previous 60 minutes. Lets hope we have learnt that from the Sarries game. 

Back Row 

Absolutely critical that our back row turn in a storming performance. We need to win both the breakdown and the tackle. With Underhill and a resurgent Faletau we can compete with any team in the tackle so no problem there. Our problem might lie with with the breakdown consistency. In that respect we miss Francois Louw badly but Ellis and Baylis are not far behind. 

Ball Carrying 

Exeter are proven experts and are extremely good at battering away at defences with their ball carriers charging forward particularly when they are 10 yards from the try line. 
We need to do exactly the same to them and put them on the defensive. Once again we tend to fade in the last quarter so I would hope that our selection would bring some fresh for carers to see the game through to the end. 

Line Outs 

We may have the best two teams in the Premiership at Line out technique and the subsequent driving maul. Luke Charteris has worked wonders in this respect. We know of Exeter’s expertise here but at least we have the same attacking weapon as our opponents. 

Defence 

We have seen our defence climb ever upwards since the breakdown with speed, ferocity and aggression being major strengths. If ever we need a repeat performance it will be at Sandy Park where we will face persistent waves of forward pressure. Given previous performances I feel confident that we can hold our own in this respect. 

Discipline 

Tight semi-final games are won and lost on yellow and even red cards in the Sarries game we gave away far too many penalties in the second half. We need to avoid those scrum penalties but the one area where the game could hinge for both teams crashing forward for glory is the high tackle. 

Our tackling has been excellent and few penalties have been conceded from high tackles. However, one yellow card or a red card could easily settle the game we have to ensure that it's not us that gives away the dreaded card sanction. 

Conversely it's not inconceivable that Exeter Chiefs might also fail in that respect in the current game where we can expect a close battle this could be a defining factor. 

Half Backs 

Several top pundits have described Ben Spencer's signing from Saracens that's the best piece of business in the premiership this year. It's very hard to dispute this and we now have a half back pairing that are strong at kicking both on from hand and off the tee. This has won us several games already however there is a concern that our Ben is having issues towards the end of the game with both his fitness and focus. 
You have to wonder if Will Chudleigh might be brought on towards the end of the game given its against his old club though opinions will be divided on this. 

Outside Backs 

If ever there is an opportunity to shine for our talented back line it has to be in the semi-final, my feeling is that Cameron Redpath should play a big role in this game, much as I love Josh Matevesi I think that Redpath is the player to release the undoubted talent we have outside in Jonathan Joseph, Anthony Watson and Ruaridh McConnochie. 

If ever we want Ruaridh to be at his try poaching best it will be in this game. 

We have no idea who will come out on top in this battle, it has been seen as a David and Goliath confrontation that's not really how I see it it is more of an a Ali v Foreman battle with both teams expecting to take a pounding on the ropes at times. However, we should always remember that the outcome of that particular match up went to the guy who spent a long time on the ropes. 

Everyone who supports Bath is looking for a similar result. It only remains to say one thing. COYB!

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CoochieCoo
07/10/2020 13:20
Many thanks SW for the preview.

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charlieboa
charlieboa
07/10/2020 14:04
What 23 are people going for?

Think i would bring in ellis/bayliss at 6 (despite williams going well), redpath at 12 definitely and coko on the wing possibly.

6/2 bench split may get considered as will be hugely physical

Anyone known to be unavailable?

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hasta
07/10/2020 14:14
I would definitely go for Redpath. I would love it if TdG got a bench spot as well...

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shipwrecked
07/10/2020 14:52
With Wasps v Bristol at 1.30pm when we play Exeter at 4.30pm on Saturday whoever wins will know their opponent in the final.

The big question for me is will Exeter go for full strength squad with the Champions Cup Final a week later. I think so in the backs but up front, I wonder?

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BathMatt53
BathMatt53
07/10/2020 14:56
Mine would be (not in order obvs)

Stuart
Dunn
Obano

Ewels
McNally

Underhill
Faletau
Ellis

Spencer
Rhys

Joe C
Ruaridh McC

Cam R
JJ

Ant W

Bench:

Boyce
Walker
Judge
Stooke
Bayliss

Green
TDG
Josh M

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hasta
07/10/2020 14:58
Ex have been fully rested for a while, so I expect it's all-guns to the end of the season from them. Hopefully that's in a fortnight.

I don't think the ground for the final is decided, is it? I guess it'll be Ashton Gate if Wasps win and Ricoh if they lose.

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
07/10/2020 15:16
hasta I think Baxter suggested there will be some mix and match even at this stage of the season.
I'd be surprised to see his Chiefs absolute first XV/23 although I don't think for a second they're taking Bath lightly they just have great depth and Europe is their no1 target this season.

My main take-away from our game was your maul defence was very impressive as was your general defence especially Underhills. You'll need both of those turned up to 11 for Chiefs. Spencers kicking game was very good but your chasers seemed to lose interest in the second half.
Ewels and co were barely legal for most of the defensive lineouts but that's exatly how Chiefs play so fight fire with fire unless the referee says otherwise.
I really hope you can find a way to bring your exceptional backs into the game more. You have such talent there.

Whilst it feels like a very tough ask I wish Bath all the best.



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Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
07/10/2020 15:20
Mercer for Bayliss if he is fit.

Baffy Buck at Home
Mr Frivolous
07/10/2020 15:21
Thanks shipwrecked you beat me to the punch on writing the preview! Good job! I'm grateful I can now creep back under my stone...

Ali1969
Ali1969
07/10/2020 15:21
Personally for me it is about what we bring to the table -

For a start we have to play for the full 80 minutes + Injury time - there is no point coming out full steam and put a great 40 minutes in only to capitulate in the second 40 minutes and in all truth we were hanging on and lucky to get a draw.

The scrum - We need to shore up and scrummage - It maybe Schuman comes in for Boyce - I hope they keep Mike Williams (thought he had a cracker against Saracens and really got under their skin.

Lineout - We need to be secure - that is it nothing fancy just secure and cut out needless, stupid penalties.

Open Play - The forwards need to keep alert - we know Cowan-Dickie if he plays will tap and go and snipe - We know Ewers will power round the fringes.

Backline - We just need to trust our natural ability - personally I would like to see young Redpath start and go for it - Let JJ, Roko, RM and AW have the ball in space and then open up - for the first time in 5 years play with smiles on our faces - actually look like we are enjoying it out there.

Exeter are a good side - powerful and full of talent not unlike ourselves - it is just they use it and seem to have the approval of their coaches to play what is in front of them rather than set plays.

I personally feel though that Exeter are not the finished product by any means - I still believe Saracens are a more cohesive and complete team.

Are Exeter beatable - bet you bottom dollar they are - if and huge if we turn up there and perform we have a squad which can challenge them - I feel more positive about playing Exeter at Sandy Park than say a full strength Saracens at Allianz Park - that is not being discourteous to Exeter it is just an opinion.

We have a "Free" Card - nothing to lose, make no bones about it all the pressure is on Exeter and Rob Baxter knows that no matter what he says - We have to just have to take the opportunity and prove we are a side capable of winning titles and for once not throw it away.

bardofavon
bardofavon
07/10/2020 15:40
do we know who the officials are?

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shipwrecked
07/10/2020 15:51
Quote:
Mr Frivolous
Thanks shipwrecked you beat me to the punch on writing the preview! Good job! I'm grateful I can now creep back under my stone...

Cripes, didn't mean to nick your spot, apologies.

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CoochieCoo
07/10/2020 16:08
Quote:
shipwrecked
Quote:
Mr Frivolous
Thanks shipwrecked you beat me to the punch on writing the preview! Good job! I'm grateful I can now creep back under my stone...

Cripes, didn't mean to nick your spot, apologies.

Thanks Mr F for all your hard work. I wasn’t sure if you were doing one so as SW offered I jumped in. However, your previews in the absence of PGT, have been excellent and once again my gratitude.

So who wants to do the final? winking smiley

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Baffy Buck at Home
Mr Frivolous
07/10/2020 16:10
Absolutely no apologies needed. Grateful you did this. A change always welcome. Hopefully you can do the final? I suspect tho the guru preview PG tips will have walked home by then...

nick holder
nick holder
07/10/2020 16:19
Let us just go there and give it a lash and leave nothing in the changing rooms. Not many on here would have thought we would have got to the play offs, especially the Hooper haters. We have nothing to lose,

Danchinho
Danchinho
07/10/2020 17:25
Exeter are a well oiled, well drilled team. I don't see us winning and I don't think it will be close. I don't care either.
I just want us to smash them in the mouth. Make it so physically intensive and aggressive that Exeter limp away and when they think about playing us next time, they have a little groan inside.
I think we could build on the satisfaction of that for next season.

I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

P G Tips
P G Tips
07/10/2020 17:32
Quote:
Mr Frivolous
Absolutely no apologies needed. Grateful you did this. A change always welcome. Hopefully you can do the final? I suspect tho the guru preview PG tips will have walked home by then...

I should be back to do the final and can do some pre season stuff too.

PG

Bath Born & Bred
Bath Born and Bred
07/10/2020 20:24
ok - feeling +ve about this, and why not after 40+ years at The Rec, all we need is a first half as against Saracens and a second half as against Glaws and it's job done! Keep the faith guys! smileys with beer



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Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
07/10/2020 23:36
PG's got all the time in the world now he'll probably knock out a review on any old subject go for 20 mile walk around the Skyline and knock out another review before Tea time.

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joethefanatic
07/10/2020 23:43
Even the weather forecast is good. It's a free game for us and one laden with expectations for Exeter. I hope we just go and play and let the result take care of itself.

COYB

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

sid the seagull
sid the seagull
08/10/2020 00:54
As my old father used to say, Sid, a pizza on the pavement is not what it seems, a cone raised aloft is fair game and Exeter? Well it’s just the provinces.
COYB!

SQUAWK

ballsout
ballsout
08/10/2020 02:21
Basics and discipline. Control the ball, don't let them have the majority of possession. Give away more than 10 penalties and their belly flop machine will bore us to death 5 yards out every time.

fat lock
fat lock
08/10/2020 07:36
Really looking forward to it if Bath are on their A game. I think we can push Exeter very close.
Sadly I think our main chance of being in the final will depend on some Covid swabs - quite a spike in cases in Exeter at present.

dannyf2
dannyf2
08/10/2020 07:40
Anyone remember the very first game of the season? They are beatable, if you make sure you win the collisions (no small task! ). As I recall, they didn't really have a plan B and when they kicked to our back 3 we looked solid. Cuthbert nearly broke our hearts, if it wasn't for that awesome tackle by Zach in the corner. Hogg has settled in since then and is obviously a threat, but can be nullified if we don't kick to him and stick to a gain line battle. It will be pure guts and balls.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
08/10/2020 07:44
Quote:
fat lock
Really looking forward to it if Bath are on their A game. I think we can push Exeter very close.
Sadly I think our main chance of being in the final will depend on some Covid swabs - quite a spike in cases in Exeter at present.

Mostly around the uni. I'm sure that the Exe players will be wrapped in clingfilm until the next 3 matches are out of the way. Sale must have been a huge wake up call.

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gaz59
gaz59
08/10/2020 09:14
"I'm sure that the Exe players will be wrapped in clingfilm until the next 3 matches are out of the way."

If that's an effective protection then why don't they use it for the US Presidential TV debates? Would be great to watch

Ali1969
Ali1969
08/10/2020 09:26
Having thought about it my team if all fit would be: Same Starting line up as last Sunday except for young Redpath:

15 - AW, 14 - Roko, 13 - JJ, 12 - CR, 11 - RM, 10 - RP, 9 - BS, 1 - BO, 2 - TD, 3 - WS, 4 - JM, 5 - CE, 6 - MW, 7 - SU, 8 - TF, Reps 16 - JW, 17 - JS, 18 - HT, 19 - WS/ES, 20 - ZM/TE, 21 - WC, 22 - JM, 23 - JC

This would give us cover on bench to cover the main pivitol areas of the game - I might consider bringing Batty in if match fit for his tough, abrasive and true dedication to the club - amazing how it rubs off on other players). Zach Mercer is a strange one seems to have disappeared off the edge of the planet - good match up if fit and available for Simmonds.



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Clarkey3k
08/10/2020 09:42
If all fit my squad would be;

Begin - 15 RMc; 14 AW; 13 JJ; 12 CR; 11 JC; 10 RP; 9 BS; 8 TF; 7 SU; 6 MW; 5 CE; 4 ES; 3 WS; 2 TD; 1 BO
End - Boyce, Walker, Judge, McNally, Ellis, Chudley, Matavesi, Roko.

As others are asking, where is Zach Mercer?

Adopted players: 2020/21 A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw

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copester
copester
08/10/2020 10:12
Think we mostly all agree with our best available squad, I personally would have a 6/2 split on the bench as up front is where we will have to be on top to get anything from the game.
15,AW 14,RM 13,JJ 12,CR 11,JC 10,RP 9,BS 1,BO 2,TD 3,WS, 4,JM 5,CE 6,MW 7,SU 8,TF
Bench,
JW, LB, HT, ES, TE, ZM, WC, TDG

adopted player 20/21. Henry Thomas. 19/20. Max Wright
18/19. Cooper Vuna.

bardofavon
bardofavon
08/10/2020 10:22
is it possible mercer has covid? that would keep him out of the line up for a few weeks. if he has, hooper wouldn't tell anyone.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
08/10/2020 10:24
Quote:
charlieboa
Think i would bring in ellis/bayliss at 6 (despite williams going well), redpath at 12 definitely and coko on the wing possibly.
?

Agree!

john fox
johnnyf
08/10/2020 12:15
I think you also have to give full credit to Hooper and the Coaches in deciding to continue to train until the Sale debacle was fully resolved.
Only 2 more games to win and Bath are Champions!

opti
Optimist
08/10/2020 12:41
I think big Joe C has got to start - we have to have some point of difference, and he's someone who could really make them think about how they defend him. Roko i'm afraid has to give way. I'd be tempted to play Ant on the right wing, where he scores a lot of his tries and Ruaridh to full-back.

I'd also love to see Zach involved ... partly to dispel my concern that he's fallen foul of Hooper's anti-maverick tendency, but also, because we aren't going to win this game by just putting as much beef on the park as possible and hoping that will neutralise Exeter's 2-centimetres at a time game.

The rest of the team pretty much picks itself - a great tribute to the S&C team who have taken us this far with barely an injury to speak of (fingers crossed, Magpies saluted etc).

gaz59
gaz59
08/10/2020 13:36
Quote:
johnnyf
I think you also have to give full credit to Hooper and the Coaches in deciding to continue to train until the Sale debacle was fully resolved.
Only 2 more games to win and Bath are Champions!

Exactly that jonnnyf. A mindset that says we're only here because Sale screwed up on C19 and we're gonna get stuffed will lead to only one result

We need a mindset that says we are here because we deserve it, we have had great results since season restart, we have some big threats across the team and we are gonna give it everything from first whistle to last

Then who knows?

opti
Optimist
08/10/2020 15:13
One thing about going away to Exeter is, should we win, nobody will be able to say we snuck into the Final by the back door.

gaz59
gaz59
08/10/2020 15:39
Quote:
Optimist
One thing about going away to Exeter is, should we win, nobody will be able to say we snuck into the Final by the back door.

Exactly, and Hoops will probably be using exactly that as part of the mental build up prep

warrenball
warrenball
08/10/2020 16:42
I do not expect us to win, our only chance may be in Baxter underestimating us, but I think that unlikely as he does not make many mistakes, but it will give us a good idea of genuinely how we stand against the better teams for next season. We have played very well since lockdown and Hooper & Co are to be congratulated, but I think the fixture list in that period flattered us and the games against Wasps and Saracens exposed our weaknesses. Saturday will give a good idea of how well we can play without completely dominating up front and the changes needed to improve our back play.

Agree with Opti, I think Watson better on the wing, Joe C to play if he is truly fit and would like to see both De Glanville and Redpath in the squad..

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
08/10/2020 20:38
Opti I've told you a million times before not to exaggerate!

Its one centimetre at a time................ironically the best compliment I could pay our team post lockdown is we have been playing like Exeter.

In Portugal on holiday with my son (and my wife and his wife!!) he is arranging for some cable thing to be delivered so we can watch this game on the massive screen in our cottage..............already getting excited, could we, is it possible??????

ballsout
ballsout
08/10/2020 22:24
Quote:
johnnyf
I think you also have to give full credit to Hooper and the Coaches in deciding to continue to train until the Sale debacle was fully resolved.
Only 2 more games to win and Bath are Champions!

I mean, sure, but that was always going to be the plan. Any Prem head coach would have done the same. It's just common sense.

Baffy Buck at Home
Mr Frivolous
08/10/2020 22:36
Been lucky enough to go to the circus restaurant tonight...three out of the four of us season ticket holders. My poor wife had to put up with talk all night about the game on sat...it even spread to other tables...come on bath!

Beergoggles
Beergoggles
08/10/2020 23:18
Quote:
ballsout
Quote:
johnnyf
I think you also have to give full credit to Hooper and the Coaches in deciding to continue to train until the Sale debacle was fully resolved.
Only 2 more games to win and Bath are Champions!

I mean, sure, but that was always going to be the plan. Any Prem head coach would have done the same. It's just common sense.

+1. Imagine the furore if Hoops had told everyone to knock off for the week assuming Sale would play and win.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
09/10/2020 09:55
Just wait for the furore from the usual suspects if we get turned over by Exeter.(Sm100)

Danchinho
Danchinho
09/10/2020 10:04
I don’t think people will be angry if lose. They’ll be angry if we play like it’s a training game or if we knock on or drop the ball after 3 passes.

I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
09/10/2020 10:13
Bath have a hardly foreseen chance after the season start, to show us all what they can do, against arguably one if the best sides in Europe. Please lads don't mess it up. I like many of us have little expectation but travel in the deepest hope of over turning the odds. Come on one and all, give it a lash. I will be screaming my support and, after what we have seen in recent times, believe we do have an admittedly remote chance of producing an up set. Valiantly hope so.

Come on you Bath.

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B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
09/10/2020 10:47
I think we will have good spells in the game, it will come down to whether we take those opportunities.

Anyway, I prefer to be the underdog, especially when our team has improved since the last time Exeter played us.

Plus we are in good shape with injuries (I think).

We can give it a good go, no point in playing within ourselves. It is Exeter's to lose.

cb2
cb2
09/10/2020 10:56
I would like us to put some pressure on Slade and Hogg. Slade has been known to send a few passes into row z, when he is trying to force it. Hogg has also had some iffy moments in bigger games. If we can make a good start and force a few errors, then it could be game on.

ballsout
ballsout
09/10/2020 11:35
Quote:
Danchinho
I don’t think people will be angry if lose. They’ll be angry if we play like it’s a training game or if we knock on or drop the ball after 3 passes.

+1

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woodpecker
09/10/2020 11:41
Sometimes I bet against Bath to soften the blow if we lose, but Paddy Power has Exeter at 1:5, Bath is 7:2.

I think I will sit this out..

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Clarkey3k
09/10/2020 11:50
Bookies, as well as everyone else, have Chiefs favourites to win at 1/4. Bath odds for the win c4/1 which isn't bad in a 2 horse race as it were, with a few more B&I Lions running in our colours.
Weather also set fair - Met Office
I'm having a punt at these odds - Oddschecker site

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CoochieCoo
09/10/2020 11:59
BATH RUGBY SIDE TO FACE EXETER CHIEFS

15. Anthony Watson, 14. Ruaridh McConnochie, 13. Jonathan Joseph, 12. Cameron Redpath, 11. Joe Cokanasiga, 10. Rhys Priestland, 9. Ben Spencer; 1. Beno Obano, 2. Tom Dunn, 3. Will Stuart, 4. Josh McNally, 5. Charlie Ewels (C), 6. Tom Ellis, 7. Sam Underhill, 8. Taulupe Faletau

REPLACEMENTS

16. Jack Walker, 17. Lewis Boyce, 18. Christian Judge, 19. Elliott Stooke, 20. Miles Reid, 21. Will Chudley, 22. Josh Matavesi, 23. Tom de Glanville

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hasta
09/10/2020 12:02
Yes boys! You love to see it.

Would be nice to know what's going on with Mercer, but very happy with Cam and Coka starting and TdG on the bench.

Rokobilly
Rokobilly
09/10/2020 12:03
Happy with that but still no Zach. The Chron is presuming he is injured but dont seem to know. I wish the club would share some more info on injuries even if just a list of those "unavailable for selection".

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woodpecker
09/10/2020 12:03
still no mercer...

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Clarkey3k
09/10/2020 12:03
EXETER CHIEFS

15. Stuart Hogg, 14. Olly Woodburn, 13. Henry Slade, 12. Ollie Devoto, 11. Tom O’Flaherty, 10. Joe Simmonds (C), 9. Jack Maunder; 1. Alec Hepburn, 2. Luke Cowan-Dickie, 3. Harry Williams, 4. Jonny Gray, 5. Jonny Hill, 6. Dave Ewers, 7. Jacques Vermeulen, 8. Sam Simmonds

16. Jack Yeandle, 17. Ben Moon, 18. Tomas Francis, 19. Sam Skinner, 20. Jannes Kirsten, 21. Sam Hidalgo-Clyne, 22. Gareth Steenson, 23. Ian Whitten

Adopted players: 2020/21 A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw

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Clarkey3k
09/10/2020 12:05
Quote:
woodpecker
still no mercer...

Does anyone with an Instagram account know what he is saying, if anything? These young fellas are usually all over social media, don't use them myself, apart from COML...

Adopted players: 2020/21 A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw

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bathwickboy
bathwickboy
09/10/2020 12:09
That has to be our strongest team with I assume all players available. It will clearly show us just how far we need to progress to become a top challenging team, or maybe, just maybe, we might cause an upset. Whatever the result, I could not have foreseen us at the beginning of the season in fourth place or playing the type of rugby that we have recently seen. Nothing to lose, so let's give it 100%.

ballsout
ballsout
09/10/2020 12:10
Maybe Zach apart (?), that's pretty much our strongest possible team. I can't think of anyone else missing out.

Rokobilly
Rokobilly
09/10/2020 12:11
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Clarkey3k
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woodpecker
still no mercer...

Does anyone with an Instagram account know what he is saying, if anything? These young fellas are usually all over social media, don't use them myself, apart from COML...

Few pics of him out with his partner shopping, one of him in some sort of sauna-cocoon-sleeping bag thing that migjt be a recovery aid but probably isn't. Nothing enlightening or concerning really.

Did he pick up a knock against Worcester - I think that's the last we saw of him and I have a vague memory of some limping but then Zach's commitment means he often looks a bit battered and bruised at the end of a game.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
09/10/2020 12:15
Good to see that Hoops reads this forum and chose my ideal team for this game... (Sm23)

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warrenball
warrenball
09/10/2020 12:22
Also seems to be Chiefs strongest team, so Baxter is not taking us lightly. Given good weather a game to really look forward to, whatever the result let us hope we play well and don't allow Chiefs any time at the breakdown, it is possibly their only weakness

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woodpecker
09/10/2020 12:34
So can we assume that both of those teams have all tested negative for covid..........................or not yet?

opti
Optimist
09/10/2020 12:36
Zach apart, that’s just about our perfect team.Well done that S&C team - possibly the ‘player’ of the season. 20/23 EQP, (though only 5-6 you could say are home-grown).

That is a beautifully balanced looking squad. 1st half against Sarries says ‘anything’s possible’, 2nd half says ‘don’t get your hopes up’.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
09/10/2020 12:36
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warrenball
Also seems to be Chiefs strongest team, so Baxter is not taking us lightly. Given good weather a game to really look forward to, whatever the result let us hope we play well and don't allow Chiefs any time at the breakdown, it is possibly their only weakness

No Jack Nowell. Their back row is huge, Jacques Vermeulen at 7 etc. I guess they see the lineout as an area where they need to be competitive - ours has been excellent thus far to be fair. Ellis will help with that too.

COYB!

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opti
Optimist
09/10/2020 12:50
I don’t think the dire warnings about player injuries have come to pass across the GP. Is there a lesson for rugby union going forward? Play more, (contact) train less perhaps?

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shipwrecked
09/10/2020 12:54
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Optimist
I don’t think the dire warnings about player injuries have come to pass across the GP. Is there a lesson for rugby union going forward? Play more, (contact) train less perhaps?

Opti, please forward that message to Eddie Jones ASAP.

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shipwrecked
09/10/2020 12:59
Out of interest who actually selects the team? This season selection has been skilful in meeting the playing time guidelines and maintaining our strongest team.

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bardofavon
bardofavon
09/10/2020 13:29
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shipwrecked
Out of interest who actually selects the team? This season selection has been skilful in meeting the playing time guidelines and maintaining our strongest team.

the coaches get in a room at farleigh and argue the toss about it (according to a hooper comment in the press yesterday).

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woodpecker
09/10/2020 13:34
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shipwrecked
Out of interest who actually selects the team? This season selection has been skilful in meeting the playing time guidelines and maintaining our strongest team.

They get in a room and read COML obviously...

I do like matavesi as a 'finisher' not a sub.



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opti
Optimist
09/10/2020 13:46
I mean ... I know Exeter are going to win and all that, and I know why. But, I'd still pick the following combined XV - 9.5 to 5.5 in Bath's favour:

15. Stuart Hogg, 14. Ruaridh McConnochie, 13. Jonathan Joseph, 12. Henry Slade, 11. Anthony Watson, 10. Joe Simmonds, 9. Ben Spencer; 1. Beno Obano, 2. Tom Dunn = LCD, 3. Will Stuart, 4. Jonny Gray, 5. Charlie Ewels (C), 7. Sam Simmonds, 6. Sam Underhill, 8. Taulupe Faletau

opti
Optimist
09/10/2020 13:52
From today's Guardian:

Lam's approach: Bristol will consider placing their players in a Covid-secure bubble for two weeks if they defeat Wasps in Saturday’s Premiership play-off semi-final

Hooper's approach: If Bath win at Exeter on Saturday, they will have a week off before the Premiership final but their director of rugby, Stuart Hooper, has no plans to create a bubble for his team.

“Our players are incredibly responsible guys,” said Hooper. “They are not kids and I would not try to trap them in a building so they cannot go out. They understand the risks and drive standards."

Bath’s captain, Charlie Ewels, said the players had devised a system to ensure no one took risks. “We talked about the costs of someone picking up the virus and spreading it. Our rule is would you be willing to stand up in front of the group after testing positive if you had picked it up in a supermarket? Yes. But what if it was a case of being on a night out with a bunch of mates? Would you want to explain that?”

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woodpecker
09/10/2020 13:53
Quote:
Optimist
From today's Guardian:
Lam's approach: Bristol will consider placing their players in a Covid-secure bubble for two weeks if they defeat Wasps in Saturday’s Premiership play-off semi-final

Hooper's approach: If Bath win at Exeter on Saturday, they will have a week off before the Premiership final but their director of rugby, Stuart Hooper, has no plans to create a bubble for his team.

“Our players are incredibly responsible guys,” said Hooper. “They are not kids and I would not try to trap them in a building so they cannot go out. They understand the risks and drive standards."

Bath’s captain, Charlie Ewels, said the players had devised a system to ensure no one took risks. “We talked about the costs of someone picking up the virus and spreading it. Our rule is would you be willing to stand up in front of the group after testing positive if you had picked it up in a supermarket? Yes. But what if it was a case of being on a night out with a bunch of mates? Would you want to explain that?”

Id go for something in the middle - second week bubble

opti
Optimist
09/10/2020 13:57
You'd kind of assume that players would effectively be in some sort of bubble even in the most normal of times in the week leading up to a final?

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shipwrecked
09/10/2020 13:57
Quote:
woodpecker
Quote:
Optimist
From today's Guardian:
Lam's approach: Bristol will consider placing their players in a Covid-secure bubble for two weeks if they defeat Wasps in Saturday’s Premiership play-off semi-final

Hooper's approach: If Bath win at Exeter on Saturday, they will have a week off before the Premiership final but their director of rugby, Stuart Hooper, has no plans to create a bubble for his team.

“Our players are incredibly responsible guys,” said Hooper. “They are not kids and I would not try to trap them in a building so they cannot go out. They understand the risks and drive standards."

Bath’s captain, Charlie Ewels, said the players had devised a system to ensure no one took risks. “We talked about the costs of someone picking up the virus and spreading it. Our rule is would you be willing to stand up in front of the group after testing positive if you had picked it up in a supermarket? Yes. But what if it was a case of being on a night out with a bunch of mates? Would you want to explain that?”

Id go for something in the middle - second week bubble

I pray we have that dilemma to decide over!

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Poking With Sticks
Poking With Sticks
09/10/2020 14:34
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Optimist
I mean ... I know Exeter are going to win and all that, and I know why. But, I'd still pick the following combined XV - 9.5 to 5.5 in Bath's favour:
15. Stuart Hogg, 14. Ruaridh McConnochie, 13. Jonathan Joseph, 12. Henry Slade, 11. Anthony Watson, 10. Joe Simmonds, 9. Ben Spencer; 1. Beno Obano, 2. Tom Dunn = LCD, 3. Will Stuart, 4. Jonny Gray, 5. Charlie Ewels (C), 7. Sam Simmonds, 6. Sam Underhill, 8. Taulupe Faletau

That's cheating putting Slade at 12! He's a 13.

Ali1969
Ali1969
09/10/2020 14:54
If I am honest 2 evenly matched sides playing in an empty stadium which can only benefit the away side albeit you would like to think the home side knows all the idiosyncrasies of the ground. We will have to see if resting their first XV was a good move or not? Fine balancing act - I know of coaches who believe you play your best XV to keep the continuity and others who say rest your best XV till it matters. We will see which camp is right - what you cannot deny is that there is plenty of evidence to suggest that when teams don't play for a little while together there is a definitive drop off in intensity and accuracy - let's hope.

We need to believe and each player needs to play to the levels they are definitely capable of - I cannot lie I am concerned with Big Joe starting - he looked really rusty last Sunday against Saracens and it was his knock on from a decent pass from Redpath under no pressure that set up Saracens last try. To be fair to him he may have been nervous about playing on the plastic surface having had such a serious knee injury - It may prove to be an inspiring move - feel sorry for Roko not even in the 23 - we have not exactly fed him any quality ball for a long long time, I just hoped he would be on the bench but it is understandable why they have gone for Tom De G (covers more positions)

I would have expected that Lilley and Hately have been working overtime with our replacement front row especially Boyce and Judge.

I am actually excited because I think we can just go out and leave it all the pitch - a shot to nothing for us - for Exeter on the other hand, forget what is being said openly by Rob Baxter etc their players have got at least one eye on the big European final. I also expect that there will be at least a couple of the Exeter players deep down see this match as a given - it is human nature and that might just give us the edge.

Come on Bath YOU CAN DO IT.

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CoochieCoo
09/10/2020 15:13
Exeter Chiefs v Bath
@ Sandy Park
Referee: Luke Pearce
Assistant referees: Craig Maxwell-Keys, Adam Leal
TMO: Wayne Barnes

Adopted player 20/21: Will Spencer - welcome home http://v4admin.sportnetwork.net/upload/105/105_0_1597354200.jpg

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Deckchair
Deckchair
09/10/2020 15:15
Just have a feeling that Bath will be hungrier for this one and its motor is purring the sweeter.
All to play for, little to lose.
Bath v Bristol final, my lovers.

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
09/10/2020 15:19
Good luck against Chiefs. That looks like a very strong side you've selected and for all that's Holy lets actually see you use the skill and pace in your backs!

nick holder
nick holder
09/10/2020 16:16
How great is it that we are actually posting about Bath being in the play offs![:wor kid:]

bardofavon
bardofavon
09/10/2020 16:40
just when you might think it impossible for prem rugby to stuff up any more, along comes the news that Exeter-raised local Luke Pearce is to ref the chiefs v bath semi final! how can that possibly be?

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
09/10/2020 16:46
Hmm. Luke Pearce grew up in Exeter where his dad, Andrew, was a referee /or linseman for a number of seasons at the top level. We don't want any bias there do we?
Mind you having Wayne as TMO might prove troublesome for one or two of us, especially Stuart who he pinged a lot last week.

Sincerely hope Hately has been working his magic on the scrum as I am sure Exeter will want to attack us there with the size of guys they have picked and they will want to make sure our back row stays commited to the side of the scrum. They don't want Underhill going after Maunder or Simmonds.

It is really up to the Bath pack to gain at least parity which the game hinges on, and for an 80 minute performance and concentration. The Exe bench is very strong for bolstering the scrum and not much spare pace in their backs. Not having to play Nowell is a huge advantage for Bath and big Joe will have Woodburn opposite him. Their danger man is Tom O’Flaherty and Mac is going to have to keep him quiet. But O'F is not the best tackler and IMO nor is Hogg.

Any kick must be chased as if our lives depended on it. You don't want to let Hogg run the ball back at you.


Come on Bath ,get parity up front, no silly penalties or dropped passes, kick chase and we can win it. Just.

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Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.The Jink Joseph.
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Clarkey3k
09/10/2020 16:48
Stuart Barnes writing in The Times today suggests Bath can cause an upset even if everyone else is waving Exeter to the trophy. The lineout will be a key battleground and an area where Bath can gain advantage because LCD can be a bit flaky with his throwing and we have the Charteris/Hooper axis coaching our boys on the finer details of attacking/disruptive play. He also suggests Spencer's box kicking, if accurate, will be decisive as will RP's kicking from hand i.e. keep Exeter pinned in their 22 because they can't drive/maul their way over from 80yds. He reckons it's not a day for flashy 15 man rugby, just squeeze the life out of the Chiefs throughout the 80mins and take our points when offered. There is another 80mins to play if we get past the Exeter machine...

Adopted players: 2020/21 A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw

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opti
Optimist
09/10/2020 17:02
We actually have more established internationals in our starting XV than they do. Given the magnitude of the occasion - for Bath, mabye even more than for Exeter - I'd hope that SU, Taulupe, Ant and JJ in particular will be viewing this like a Test match, and will understand how to tip the big moments our way.

dannyf2
dannyf2
09/10/2020 17:04
If Barnes backs us we're doomed!

annie blackthorn
annie blackthorn
09/10/2020 17:05
Well, who'd a thought it back at the beginning of the season, esp after the 5 or 6 previous ones.

Come on Bath Boys - get down there and show those Devonians how to play winning rugby Bath style.

P.S. Stuart Hooper is a Devonian by birth and upbringing btw.

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Clarkey3k
09/10/2020 17:12
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dannyf2
If Barnes backs us we're doomed!

He still thinks Exeter will win, like everybody else, just pointing out where and how we maximise our advantages. Of the 4 mentioned by Opti above Faletau and JJ are the two that owe us a massive performance. No flapping from Faletau at the lineout this week in our 22 please (Sm100)

Adopted players: 2020/21 A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw

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woodpecker
09/10/2020 17:13
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annie blackthorn
Well, who'd a thought it back at the beginning of the season, esp after the 5 or 6 previous ones.
Come on Bath Boys - get down there and show those Devonians how to play winning rugby Bath style.

P.S. Stuart Hooper is a Devonian by birth and upbringing btw.

5th Columnist!

charlieboa
charlieboa
09/10/2020 18:10
Exactly the 23 i would have gone for assuming mercer and bayliss not available (would have had one of them on the bench but reid has been going well).

Selection smacks at more of a 'wont die wondering' approach to me after completely freezing last week. Have to be immensely smart and accurate to give yourselves a chance against exeter but also think we will need to play a bit when it's on.

You just never know.....pretty easy to get binned and sent off these days....anything could happen....

Jehovas Sandals
Jehovas Sandals
09/10/2020 19:17
Chief in peace.......normally I would be wishing you all travelling down a safe journey.....it would be a fantastic atmosphere in SP. Either way I’m expecting a good, tough game. If you beat us you’ll deserve it and I will congratulate you.
I’m hoping our boys will be hungry to be part of what could be a momentous three weeks in our history.
Here’s to a good tough competitive game

I drink and forget stuff!

gaz59
gaz59
09/10/2020 19:45
Quote:
Optimist
We actually have more established internationals in our starting XV than they do. Given the magnitude of the occasion - for Bath, mabye even more than for Exeter - I'd hope that SU, Taulupe, Ant and JJ in particular will be viewing this like a Test match, and will understand how to tip the big moments our way.

Agree with all that and your assessment on a joint Bath/Exeter starting XV

But how does that stack up around 56 minutes when the bench starts to come on? Especially in front row, then we really could struggle up front given what happened second half v Sarries

We need to have a score at least in front and ditch the idea of trying to protect it. A massive challenge but if we can do or even get close then golly will I be so proud to wear my BBW shirt to the pub tomorrow night [if I'm still standing that is!]

Ignoring BoB's really stoopid opening comment about the ref. FFS he is a very good ref and a top professional in his field, there will be no bias, I agree it will be won up front, keep taking the points on offer and minimalising mistakes

Broken arrow
Broken arrow
09/10/2020 19:45
“Their danger man is Tom O’Flaherty and Mac is going to have to keep him quiet. But O'F is not the best tackler “

Hate to disappoint, but with a tackle success rate of 82%, Flats is rated as a very good tackler !

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
09/10/2020 20:02
I'd agree that O'F isn't the weakness on the back 3. Hogg and Woobdurn both under the high ball and in defence though ... Nowell is a massive loss.

Kidney Stone
Kidney Stone
09/10/2020 20:18
Two strong sides. Really happy that Stoke has made the 23.

Ex certainly favourites, but hoping so much that we can cause an upset!

clalan
clalan
09/10/2020 20:19
Looking forward to a great game, Luke Pearce will be this countries best ref in the future, no bias will come Chiefs way from that gentleman, he may make the odd mistake but every ref does in what today is a very fast game.

Really wish we could all be having a few pints together tomorrow and be celebrating our great sport. But things will get better, don’t under estimate the mobility of our pack though, still think Spencer is the key to your possible success.

All the best



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P G Tips
P G Tips
09/10/2020 20:41
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Bathovalballer
Hmm. Luke Pearce grew up in Exeter where his dad, Andrew, was a referee /or linseman for a number of seasons at the top level. We don't want any bias there do we? .

Unworthy of you BoB. Pearce is one of our very best refs. IMHO he has more empathy than W Barnes.

I expect no bias.

PG

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
09/10/2020 21:25
Well I really want to see a win but I just cannot. We are certainly much improved but I just don't think we have the self belief yet. However once the game starts, I am sure I will believe for a bit .....

ilovebathtime
ilovebathtime
09/10/2020 21:32
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Never In Doubt
Well I really want to see a win but I just cannot. We are certainly much improved but I just don't think we have the self belief yet. However once the game starts, I am sure I will believe for a bit .....
I would agree on the self belief point. It is at the moment the main thing holding us back. In some ways I don't think that will be so much of a factor tomorrow as nobody thinks we will win so the pressure is off. It may though become an issue if we are ahead in the second half. If we can win, then the belief it will give the team will make a huge difference in big games in the future.

Exeforever
Exeforever
09/10/2020 22:02
I think Bath have a very good chance of success tomorrow. From the beginning of the season, ie even before Saracens' relegation was confirmed, Baxter had said that our main emphasis this year was Europe, and now that we are in that final I believe that some of our players' heads will be there too. Being even 5% off in a Prem S/F is enough to lose it and I can easily see Bath winning tomorrow whilst we go on to win the European final.

In fact I'd take that outcome now, gladly.

gaz59
gaz59
09/10/2020 22:35
Nice post Exeforever but the gap is much bigger than that. Take the average of results at Sandy Park say over past 5 seasons, then take away your 5%

It's not even remotely close even if you take off another 10% for losing home fans vocal encouragement

If we can do it, if the belief is there for 80+ minutes and each bbw player plays out of their skins right up to the final whistle then we have a chance, we really do and hopefully a friendly bounce of the ball will come our way

If not Chiefs are nailed on for the double

ballsout
ballsout
10/10/2020 02:07
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Jehovas Sandals
Either way I’m expecting a good, tough game. If you beat us you’ll deserve it and I will congratulate you.

Likewise, if Chiefs beat Bath you guys will have deserved it and I'll congratulate you.



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miller8
miller8
10/10/2020 05:16
Funny really but if I saw Olly Woodburn, and Ollie Devoto back in our starting line up I’d be a bit disappointed. Will probably end up eating my words!

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joethefanatic
10/10/2020 07:48
Ollie DeVoto is exactly what we need at 12.

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

miller8
miller8
10/10/2020 08:12
Instead of Redpath?

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joethefanatic
10/10/2020 09:06
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miller8
Instead of Redpath?

As an older more experienced version of Redpath.

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

TG Kesmo
TG Kesmo
10/10/2020 09:38
Red path at present is much better than Devoto was at that age. I think I wouldn’t want either Devoto or Woodburn over our current players..

ballsout
ballsout
10/10/2020 09:53
Head to head comparisons are pointless when a team works so well together as a cohesive unit.

EXDJ
EXDJ
10/10/2020 10:08
Quote:
bardofavon
just when you might think it impossible for prem rugby to stuff up any more, along comes the news that Exeter-raised local Luke Pearce is to ref the chiefs v bath semi final! how can that possibly be?

I hate to break it to you, but Stuart Hooper was born in Exeter (we shared a maternity ward in Heavitree hospital), grew up just a few miles up the road in Crediton and played age-grade rugby for Devon. I can’t believe the powers-that-be have let him stay in charge of Bath for such a key game.

Of course there’s a possibility that Hooper has a professional reputation to uphold and he won’t let the accident of his birth impact on his preparation for the game or his decision-making today, but best not leave it to chance eh?

gaz59
gaz59
10/10/2020 10:37
Quote:
ballsout
Head to head comparisons are pointless when a team works so well together as a cohesive unit.

I think head to head comparisons are valid but only so far and your main point bo is spot on. You look at Opti's joint team on head to heads and we would keep most of our team with probably 5 or 6 from chiefs

But collectively the chiefs XV on the pitch nearly always performs well above which comes back to the key question, why?

Is it because actually our assessments [and that of international teams] is wrong and the Exeter players are for really far better individually than we give credit for?

Is it superior s and c?

Is it in the team coaching so that style of play matches player skillset and/or the game better than others?

Is it higher levels of motivation and psychological coaching?

Or something else?

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OutsideBath
10/10/2020 11:00
Quote:
gaz59
Quote:
ballsout
Head to head comparisons are pointless when a team works so well together as a cohesive unit.

I think head to head comparisons are valid but only so far and your main point bo is spot on. You look at Opti's joint team on head to heads and we would keep most of our team with probably 5 or 6 from chiefs

But collectively the chiefs XV on the pitch nearly always performs well above which comes back to the key question, why?

Is it because actually our assessments [and that of international teams] is wrong and the Exeter players are for really far better individually than we give credit for?

Is it superior s and c?

Is it in the team coaching so that style of play matches player skillset and/or the game better than others?

Is it higher levels of motivation and psychological coaching?

Or something else?

They have Baxter, that is the fundamental difference and the deciding factor.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
10/10/2020 11:21
What a lovely thread and nice sporting comments from fellow rugby enthusiasts in the West Country.

It is of course looking like a very close match.

However as Opti points out above first half against Saracens - strong, second half - sadly weak. Just a question of how much our squad has learnt within themselves.

I recall last season watching a few games with Exeter against other teams where they were leading say 20 -10 with 2 minutes to go having scored three tries and they invariably got the the fourth try even though they had obviously won the match the pressure and drive was to get the bonus point...........we are still short of that mindset.

BBandW
BBandW
10/10/2020 11:33
Given all the variables of the delayed season, delayed European matches, empty stadiums, forfeited games, forced Sarries relegation et al the end of season is more of a Grand National than a Derby. IMHO both semis and the final could go either way. At final knockings the chaos of the season may have more relevance to the outcome than the form book.

ballsout
ballsout
10/10/2020 12:04
Quote:
Bath Supporter Jack
What a lovely thread and nice sporting comments from fellow rugby enthusiasts in the West Country.

I might go on the Exeter board reciprocally tell them if they beat us they'll have deserved it and will earn our congratulations.

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
10/10/2020 12:06
Bath T shirt on - check
Bath away shirt on - check
Bath hoody on - check
Bath tea mug ready - check
BT Sport - ahh, umm......

Baffy Buck at Home
Mr Frivolous
10/10/2020 12:24
Quote:
B4thB4ck
Bath T shirt on - check
Bath away shirt on - check
Bath hoody on - check
Bath tea mug ready - check
BT Sport - ahh, umm......
X2 +
Bath shed key ring - check
Bath socks - check
Cider in tea mug - check
Fingers crossed - check
Praying to God/allah/buddha/any lesser deities - check

bardofavon
bardofavon
10/10/2020 12:24
Quote:
EXDJ
Quote:
bardofavon
just when you might think it impossible for prem rugby to stuff up any more, along comes the news that Exeter-raised local Luke Pearce is to ref the chiefs v bath semi final! how can that possibly be?

I hate to break it to you, but Stuart Hooper was born in Exeter (we shared a maternity ward in Heavitree hospital), grew up just a few miles up the road in Crediton and played age-grade rugby for Devon. I can’t believe the powers-that-be have let him stay in charge of Bath for such a key game.

Of course there’s a possibility that Hooper has a professional reputation to uphold and he won’t let the accident of his birth impact on his preparation for the game or his decision-making today, but best not leave it to chance eh?

your post is totally irrelevant. are you saying that Pearce wouldn't allow conscious or unconscious bias just because he is a professional? it has happened many times before especially with southern hemp refs. the reason they went to third party refs for internationals was because 'home' refs could no longer be trusted.
rugby is a sport where the laws are often unfathomable, and where multiple infractions by both sides at any given point in the game can be interpreted entirely subjectively. red team is pinged for going off feet while blue team is ignored for going in at the side. unfortunately referees have far too much power to decide the outcome of games.
why, when you have just two games on a weekend and a whole raft of officials to choose from, would you elect a referee from Exeter?

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BathSalmon
10/10/2020 12:29
Even though my head is telling me that this result is only going one way today, I can't help but get excited and nervous already!

I live in hope, but the Exeter machine is so dominant.

Come on you Bath!!

bardofavon
bardofavon
10/10/2020 12:32
well I hope bath win but the odds are cleary with the home side. I believe Bath are as good, if not better, on paper but the chiefs have more experience in these high pressure games and know how to win. they are mentally more durable.
I was impressed by baxter in the Toulouse game when he was utterly confident that chiefs would weather the French first half onslaught and go on to outlast them. exeter are the better-coached team and baxter knows how to get the very best out of all of them. hatley has done well for the last few months but it is just a few months. baxter has been there for years.
to win we will have to take all our chances. more importantly we will have to play hard for the full 80.
good luck, boys!

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
10/10/2020 12:50
Quote:
ballsout
Quote:
Bath Supporter Jack
What a lovely thread and nice sporting comments from fellow rugby enthusiasts in the West Country.

I might go on the Exeter board reciprocally tell them if they beat us they'll have deserved it and will earn our congratulations.

Good idea, please do that.

Just out of interest, when you played sport did you ever shake hands afterwards? I am sure there have been times when that was a painful thing to do but all part of sport. If Ex win today I will probably hope they win the final too, they will have earned it, not least because of the final table.

warrenball
warrenball
10/10/2020 13:19
+1 well said B4thB4ck

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shipwrecked
10/10/2020 13:23
So who would we prefer I wonder, Wasps or Bears?

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shipwrecked
10/10/2020 14:12
Glad we are not playing Wasps to be frank!

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gaz59
gaz59
10/10/2020 14:27
"your post is totally irrelevant. are you saying that Pearce wouldn't allow conscious or unconscious bias just because he is a professional?"

A technical point here. You cannot allow unconscious bias, by definition. If you allow something you are conscious of it

Anyway I took the post by EXDJ as a light hearted dig on the earlier ones and not to be taken seriously and actually I thought it pretty amusing

EXDJ
EXDJ
10/10/2020 14:32
Quote:
bardofavon

your post is totally irrelevant. are you saying that Pearce wouldn't allow conscious or unconscious bias just because he is a professional?

Yes, exactly that. If anything I’m expecting him to overcompensate and give Bath all the 50:50s.
Very different with the internationals, where the refs are paid by the national Union (which also determines their career development) and so clear conflict of interest.

Worth also noting that Pearce is from Wales originally, with a Welsh dad and is a former player for Exeter Saracens, the other Exeter club (and historic rivals for Chiefs).

Having reffed in the World Cup, he is seen as one of the best refs in the country and has given plenty against Exeter when he’s reffed the Chiefs recently.

Luke Pearce is just as likely to be harbouring a secret desire to see Chiefs win as Stuart Hooper.

Quote:
gaz59

Anyway I took the post by EXDJ as a light hearted dig on the earlier ones and not to be taken seriously and actually I thought it pretty amusing

Indeed that’s what I was aiming for but it turns out the Internet is never the best place for that sort of thing so I’ve been forced to clarify that, for the record, I’m expecting the reffing will be pretty fair...



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hasta
10/10/2020 16:26
Alright, LET'S GO BOYS!

kentwasp1
kentwasp1
10/10/2020 16:32
Wasps fan in peace

We really hope you can take the Chiefs today. My best mate is a STH of yours and my favourite game is the Rec.

Also we'd prefer to play you (Sm128)

Have a great game

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 16:41
MacC try TMO

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 16:42
No try foot in touch

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opti
Optimist
10/10/2020 16:47
Great game if rugby this. High quality.



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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 16:50
Exe try

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 16:51
7-0

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Toast and Marmite
10/10/2020 16:56
Officials have been really good but I would like them to look at Exeter moving away slowly from the breakdown and coming back slowly from offside

"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
10/10/2020 16:57
COYB
Shame that Redpath didn't give the ball earlier. I would have backed McC to finish 1 v 1. He did exceptionally to hold up Hepburn.

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 16:59
Scrum pen to Bath

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 17:00
7-3

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 17:03
Kickable pen

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 17:04
7-6

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 17:07
Try Exe under the posts

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 17:08
14-6

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
10/10/2020 17:08
Good field position twice from Bath then cough up possession too easily (Sm102)
Ellis drops the ball, now scrum penalty and line out to Exe and they score (Sm136)
14-6

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 17:13
Our mistakes are their tries so far!

ken_jnr
ken_jnr
10/10/2020 17:13
There are loads of positives to be found in our development since the restart. The use of our attacking weapons still remains remarkably poor though.

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Toast and Marmite
10/10/2020 17:14
Bloody lucky not to be a red card there

"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
10/10/2020 17:14
Jonny Hill, sorry that's red. Think they've got that wrong.

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 17:14
Hill dangerous tackle on Faletau Yellow

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
10/10/2020 17:14
Head/Neck for me - that’s red surely

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John Tee
John Tee
10/10/2020 17:17
Could well have been red but i think the refs didnt have a conclusive angle to proove it so had to give yellow.

Lucky, imv.

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 17:17
Try Stuart TMO

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DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
10/10/2020 17:17
Accidental offside, right decision sadly.

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 17:18
No try obstruction!

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DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
10/10/2020 17:19
Lots of holding men off the ball at the fringe of breakdowns by exeter going unnoticed.

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 17:19
The difference is they score within 10 metres!

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Toast and Marmite
10/10/2020 17:22
We are impatient at times, but frustration aside, we do not look out of place in this company any more (well at the moment anyway!)

"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
10/10/2020 17:22
Playing well. Keep the faith!

John Tee
John Tee
10/10/2020 17:22
Quote:
Dorset Boy
Lots of holding men off the ball at the fringe of breakdowns by exeter going unnoticed.

And it happens in alot of games now....it is almost a tactic, but was so blatant 1mtr out, i think the ref should have blown.

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
10/10/2020 17:24
Need to make more use of our wingers - stating the obvious - happens virtually every game

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 17:24
HT 14-6 despite having 57% possession! COYB

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
10/10/2020 17:27
Chiefs are a horribly cynical team and you're doing brilliantly without your scrum giving you the platform. Shame that Redbath and Stuart didn't manage to finish the opportunities you created.
Would be good to see some more of Coka and McC to complement what we're seeing of Watson.
Hill very lucky to not be given red.

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hasta
10/10/2020 17:28
Not a million miles away and very nearly scored twice. Keep heads up and keep the faith.

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Rawce
10/10/2020 17:29
You could see all the sponsorship on Faletau’s back. How is that not on his neck? TMO clearly thought it was, hence suggesting multiple replays.

Barnoid
Barnoid
10/10/2020 17:30
Credit to Exeter: they’ve withstood all we’ve thrown at them and capitalised ruthlessly on our mistakes.

It’s not beyond us but we’ll have to maintain or even up the intensity and cut out the mistakes in the second half.

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Rawce
10/10/2020 17:31
Difference is Exeter have experience when 10m from the line, we’re still building. But for a couple of pop passes going to Hogg’s hand and other backs moves, we’d be up.

opti
Optimist
10/10/2020 17:33
Please for the love of god come out and give it a lash now. Never going to beat them if we tighten it up. Priestland has got to scream for forwards to release that ball if we get into the red zone. Work Joe C over out wide.

Beergoggles
Beergoggles
10/10/2020 17:34
Surely that’s exactly the type of nasty no arms shot to the neck/head that the authorities say they want out of the game. If that was a Bath player getting away with a Yellow I’d think he very very very fortunate. Keep the faith Bath but Im afraid I can’t stand the pressure, off to walk the dog.

opti
Optimist
10/10/2020 17:38
Can we have a bit of JJ magic please

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 17:39
Nothing to lose give it a lash Bath

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John Tee
John Tee
10/10/2020 17:44
Quote:
Beergoggles
Surely that’s exactly the type of nasty no arms shot to the neck/head that the authorities say they want out of the game. If that was a Bath player getting away with a Yellow I’d think he very very very fortunate. Keep the faith Bath but Im afraid I can’t stand the pressure, off to walk the dog.

Quite agree, and i think the officials were willing to give a red if they'd had an camera angle.

Not sure Bath are getting the breaks they need...they don't look like scoring..against the yellow, so need to fluke something..then it will be game on.

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
10/10/2020 17:47
Just can't generate 2 or 3 phases of quick ball that we need to break the defence.

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 17:50
Try Exe Hogg

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Toast and Marmite
10/10/2020 17:50
That’s frustrating

"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

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hasta
10/10/2020 17:50
Coka has to go off. He's knackered.

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
10/10/2020 17:51
Joe Simmonds is a very, very good 10.
Made that try.
Exeter so clinical, and that's the difference.

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 17:51
21-6 looks ominous!

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opti
Optimist
10/10/2020 17:51
Aaaargh - JJ of all people to miss a tackle

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
10/10/2020 17:51
Think Watson's going to wing and TdG to 15

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
10/10/2020 17:52
Exeter pressure again due to Bath mistakes and score, we need changes ,once again is there a plan B

21-6

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Rawce
10/10/2020 17:53
That’s the difference. Clinical in the 22. Well done Exeter, lets see how we react for the remaining 30.

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Toast and Marmite
10/10/2020 17:55
We look tired now - still extra fitness work to be done perhaps

"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

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hasta
10/10/2020 17:55
We're spent.

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 17:55
Looks like a game too far at the moment and a few injuries occurring!

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Rawce
10/10/2020 17:56
I think the fitness is we’ve expended a lot to try and get to the right places but don’t have the points to show for it. Compounded now by having to chase it.

Westy68
Westy68
10/10/2020 17:57
Sorry guys, desperate for you to win as I think the final would be a good game but spencer is so slow. Quick poor will make a difference

John Tee
John Tee
10/10/2020 17:58
The problem is that Chiefs are relentless...and Bath get no respite if they cant jackal the ball .....the result is conceded ground.

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Toast and Marmite
10/10/2020 18:01
We need to think seriously about recruiting a turnover specialist.

"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 18:02
Exeter maul produce 4th try

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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
10/10/2020 18:02
Apologies for being negative but too many basic errors, sadly Exeter just too good for us.

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 18:03
TMO disallowed!

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Toast and Marmite
10/10/2020 18:04
Er Ben, to prop you actually need to stay on your feet

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 18:06
Now it’s a try! We are really spent!

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hasta
10/10/2020 18:06
Why is Spencer line kicking?

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
10/10/2020 18:07
Two or three lineouts lost on trot cost us.
shame Jonny should have seen red Hill is the one to score it.

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 18:07
28-6 and another 16 mins to go!

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OldMarovian
OldMarovian
10/10/2020 18:08
Player who shouldn't have been on scores, ouch. I hope he's cited.

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Toast and Marmite
10/10/2020 18:08
Quote:
Old Bath Tub
Apologies for being negative but too many basic errors, sadly Exeter just too good for us.

They are. But I am not hugely disheartened given how far this team has come in a short time.

As long as we can continue to improve and aim to be at home for a SF next season

"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

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Rawce
10/10/2020 18:08
Well, there we go. Inevitable really.

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
10/10/2020 18:13
Jack Walker misses first two line out throws, poor from Bath just not in it . 28-6
Can we at least get to double figures?

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 18:15
Devoto scored!

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 18:17
35-6

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DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
10/10/2020 18:17
I'm struggling to think of a singe Exeter mistake. They have played superbly.
We've thrown everything at them and they've absorbed it all and returned it with interest.

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BathSalmon
10/10/2020 18:17
I'm .... not sure we are going to win this.

P.s. I hate pre-binding to drive the ball carrier. Both side do it. Should be outlawed. Find it oh-so dull.

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
10/10/2020 18:19
Ben Kay saying that is the most physical defensive effort of any team in any match this season by Exeter.

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
10/10/2020 18:23
Quote:
Rawce
Well, there we go. Inevitable really.

Indeed, another Bath error and they score again 35-6 and I guess after 70 mins there is no plan B ?
Who is the leader on the field ? Stating the obvious again we need real control for the back line as Rhys is not the man huge waste of the talent in that line. Looking forward to next season (Sm128)

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BathSalmon
10/10/2020 18:24
Think we have to say, we done Exeter, but also, well done Bath. We gave a good account of ourself at the end of the season. Something to build upon for next season (3 weeks time?!). This was one step too far, two team at completely two end of the spectrum of their development.

Congrats Exeter, completely deserve your win.

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
10/10/2020 18:25
Exe down to 14 for last couple of minutes as Joe simmonds hobbles off.
Bath mess up lineout again, 5m out. Frustrating.

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hasta
10/10/2020 18:25
Our lineout and maul has been very disappointing.

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
10/10/2020 18:26
Quote:
Dorset Boy
I'm struggling to think of a singe Exeter mistake. They have played superbly.
We've thrown everything at them and they've absorbed it all and returned it with interest.

Agree but they have definitely benefited from Bath mistakes !

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DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
10/10/2020 18:28
Some days you just have to acknowledge how superb your opponents have been.
Bath played well, but that Exeter performance would have beaten every other side in Europe today.

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CoochieCoo
10/10/2020 18:29
Our mistakes as well as not capitalising on our chances in the first half. Exe defence is phenomenal can’t take that away from them!

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Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
10/10/2020 18:31
Fantastic effort by Bath but they are better than us by some distance & I think most of us thought this was going to be the likely outcome.

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Rawce
10/10/2020 18:31
Congrats to them, better in all aspects. Even if it was a red, I doubt we’d have beaten them. We’ll get there, maybe even next season. Very happy with how we’ve performed since lockdown, just disappointed with the last couple of games. Exeter and Wasps will be a cracker.

Rokobilly
Rokobilly
10/10/2020 18:34
Very proud of the team. Exeter set the standard. We nerd to meet it. Its been a great ride since the resumption and we have every reason to believe we can kick on from here.

Congratulations to Exeter - hope they do the double now.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
10/10/2020 18:35
I’ll be very surprised if Wasps can stop the Exeter juggernaut. We did very well after the restart but we still would have ended up 5th.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
10/10/2020 18:37
Literally the first (and only) mistake was when their prop dropped the ball over the line.

Funnily enough I don't feel too bad about losing.

We now know exactly what level we have to get up to to compete at the real top level .

Shorty Shorty iiv
Shorty Shorty iiv
10/10/2020 18:37
Quote:
BathSalmon
Think we have to say, we done Exeter, but also, well done Bath. We gave a good account of ourself at the end of the season. Something to build upon for next season (3 weeks time?!). This was one step too far, two team at completely two end of the spectrum of their development.
Congrats Exeter, completely deserve your win.

Well said... Exeter are just an incredible rugby team. For years we’ve talked about laying down building blocks for the future but never really got past the downstairs windows... Now the upstairs windows are most definitely in, it’s time to get the roof on...



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opti
Optimist
10/10/2020 18:39
Swap 10s and we’d have been right in it.

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
10/10/2020 18:40
I think that is a pretty fair picture of where we currently are. Pack performed for first 60 but reserves need to step up. Our replacements did not have the impact theirs did but we are behind in our academy development and hopefully they will improve.

In the first half, backs looked more cohesive and our game was more varied just need to incrementally improve to truly compete. Redpath adds something extra - we made chances early on but didn't finish them.

We are a much improved side from the beginning of the season. Now need to go up again. I think we do need to decide if we want to attack the breakdown or fan out and hit in the midfield.

Recycle a bit faster, hit the line harder and create a bit more belief. I am happy with the season - just there is more to be done before we are a regular top 4 team.

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
10/10/2020 18:43
The final scoreline is harsh but I think there are positives to take from that.

A bit like Wasps its quite remarkable the progress you've made in under half a season and I think today what really showed is a team built over many seasons who know each other and the way they play really well are at a significant advanatge. If Bath can get some stability in coaching and personnel that could well be you in coming seasons.

All the best for the next season.

Long Term
Long Term
10/10/2020 18:50
Pleased with the effort and spirit from the boys for the last 15 minutes. In old school parlance need to think of this in same way as losing to Pontypridd or Neath on a wet Friday night in the 70's in terms of development towards the side we were to become.



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OldMarovian
OldMarovian
10/10/2020 18:55
Quote:
Optimist
Swap 10s and we’d have been right in it.

I thought Priestland had a decent game. Certainly don't think he was one of the players who didn't finish a try opportunity or gave up a penalty that gave Chiefs field position?

opti
Optimist
10/10/2020 19:12
Priestland was fine. Simmonds is outstanding.

fatheralice
fatheralice
10/10/2020 19:13
Quote:
Optimist
Swap 10s and we’d have been right in it.

That's an unbelievable take on the game!

The gulf between the intensity the Ex pack put on the game for 80 minutes v the 50 mins that Bath managed was so blindingly obvious, I'm amazed anyone can think just a change in the fly half would make the difference.

living up to your name I think, if you believe that just signing a new fly half will see Bath in the final next season!

dcsh
dcsh
10/10/2020 19:16
Great win by Exeter, who very much deserve their place in the final, I’ll be supporting them to do the double.

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OutsideBath
10/10/2020 19:17
Quote:
fatheralice
Quote:
Optimist
Swap 10s and we’d have been right in it.

That's an unbelievable take on the game!

The gulf between the intensity the Ex pack put on the game for 80 minutes v the 50 mins that Bath managed was so blindingly obvious, I'm amazed anyone can think just a change in the fly half would make the difference.

living up to your name I think, if you believe that just signing a new fly half will see Bath in the final next season!

Ah it didn’t take long for the patronising opposition to come on to our site.

BathIron
BathIron
10/10/2020 19:25
There were some really impressive performances today - Obano, Dunn, Faletau, Spencer, Redpath, RM to name but a few. Against a lesser defence we would have been rewarded for some great handling and spirited play. I remain optimistic for the new season. Rest up and let's go again!
Respect to what is a high quality, intensely physical, superbly coached and inspired Exeter team.

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
10/10/2020 19:38
Quote:
fatheralice
I'm amazed anyone can think just a change in the fly half would make the difference.

Change of the referee to one who wouldn't bottle the call Hill might. Easily end someones career like that and there was intent as well as recklessness. I hope he gets cited. Doesn't deserve to play any more this season after that.

clalan
clalan
10/10/2020 19:41
You rightly should be proud of your team, your only starting with a newish coach brought rightly from within the club. We Chiefs have been building since the championship, finances making us recruit forgotten players.
We were hammered by you guys in the early days, so it will come, steady belief in your coaches will help.

All the best for next season, you can’t pick out any of your player to blame especially your 10, but pressure causes mistakes. So I will be stood behind the posts hopefully at your place next season. We will all go again, but all a litter wiser.

gaz59
gaz59
10/10/2020 19:50
Quote:
Dorset Boy
Some days you just have to acknowledge how superb your opponents have been.
Bath playetred well, but that Exeter performance would have beaten every other side in Europe today.

Exactly. No disgrace there. We bossed the first 15 but couldn't get points on the board. Exeter's defence was immense and then when they engineered two opportunities out of nothing really to get into red zone the score is then suddenly 14 points up and we are struggling to claw back the game

from there all of our team played their guts out but Exeter had saved their best to this and I wish them well for their next two. They have set a very impressive bar for english league rugby. I doff my cap to them but we are not that far short. The final score was harsh. Build from where we are, recruit a top quality 10 and with a bit more strength on the bench and we will be close to the top

Hymenoptera
Hymenoptera
10/10/2020 19:52
Quote:
OldMarovian
Quote:
fatheralice
I'm amazed anyone can think just a change in the fly half would make the difference.

Change of the referee to one who wouldn't bottle the call Hill might. Easily end someones career like that and there was intent as well as recklessness. I hope he gets cited. Doesn't deserve to play any more this season after that.
You cant red card someone for what might have happened. Intent or recklessness are a yellow card, which he received. He didn't make contact with the head or if he did, it wasnt obvious, and that was lucky for him.
You not liking it doesn't change the rules. As a Sarries supporter, do I need to explain the word "Rules" to you, they apply to many things both on and off the pitch...let me know.

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
10/10/2020 19:58
Yellow was right call. Dangerous but impact on back not neck. Thought Pearce was very good - made some mistakes but given the speed of the game that is not surprising. Really good rapport with the players and no arrogance unlike Carley.

gaz59
gaz59
10/10/2020 19:59
Yeah, it was close but yellow was the right decision

If Taulupe had his head about 3 inches lower it would have been straight red

Might seem tough but had Hill brought his left arm round it wouldn't even have been a penalty

A coaching issue

TomReagan
TomReagan
10/10/2020 20:02
Quote:
Hymenoptera
You cant red card someone for what might have happened. Intent or recklessness are a yellow card, which he received. He didn't make contact with the head or if he did, it wasnt obvious, and that was lucky for him.
You not liking it doesn't change the rules. As a Sarries supporter, do I need to explain the word "Rules" to you, they apply to many things both on and off the pitch...let me know.
Sarries have been punished. Seems a bit harsh to say that dodgy financial practices on the part of the owners precludes fans from expressing a view on rugby matters! Time to get a sense of perspective...

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
10/10/2020 21:28
Quote:
Hymenoptera
[You cant red card someone for what might have happened. Intent or recklessness are a yellow card, which he received. He didn't make contact with the head or if he did, it wasnt obvious, and that was lucky for him.
You not liking it doesn't change the rules. As a Sarries supporter, do I need to explain the word "Rules" to you, they apply to many things both on and off the pitch...let me know.

Lets start with the simple stuff, in rugby we have Laws not "Rules"
In Quins/Wasps game Luke Pearce red carded Elia Elia for exactly that, what might have happened, rather than what did happen. He said that had Robson not put his hands out he would have landed on his head. Given Faletau lowers his head slightly before contact I don't think its a stretch to suggest the same there and that's on the basis that there was no actual contact which I think you'd want a few more angles to be confident of.

Anything else you need explained, you witless moron, please let me know.

Big Chief Little Chief
Big Chief Little Chief
10/10/2020 22:12
"witless moron" What a gent you are!
Regarding the Incident, it was a yellow, although not much in it! Even Bath fans mostly agree. No idea why you sarries fans seem to blame chiefs for your predicament.

Well played though Bath, you cannot fault your players effort. Not many teams make us work that hard. A few additions, and a whole year of Hooper/ Hately and I think you'll be pushing for a home semi next year, with crowds hopefully.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
10/10/2020 22:27
Quote:
gaz59
from there all of our team played their guts out but Exeter had saved their best to this and I wish them well for their next two. They have set a very impressive bar for english league rugby. I doff my cap to them but we are not that far short. The final score was harsh. Build from where we are, recruit a top quality 10 and with a bit more strength on the bench and we will be close to the top

I think the gap is somewhat bigger than you indicate & won’t be entirely rectified by a new 10, though it would help despite RP not having played at all badly. I think you have to look at performances by our respective clubs over an entire season & that tells a different story. Exeter have seemingly reached the level of Sarries who will no doubt return without having lost a great deal performance wise. We are one of a number chasing them & we need to firstly get ahead of Wasps, Bristol & Sale before starting to bridge that gap.

warrenball
warrenball
10/10/2020 22:37
The difference was as there game went on Exeter got stronger as Bath weakened. No great surprise it happened to Toulouse but it is an area we have to consider if we want to compete with the big boys. Well played Exeter who I think will beat Wasps.

EXDJ
EXDJ
10/10/2020 22:37
Quote:
OldMarovian
Lets start with the simple stuff, in rugby we have Laws not "Rules"
In Quins/Wasps game Luke Pearce red carded Elia Elia for exactly that, what might have happened, rather than what did happen. He said that had Robson not put his hands out he would have landed on his head.

Just to clarify, for the Elia Elia offence, it would have been a perverse result for Robson’s actions (ie cushioning his fall) to reduce Elia’s sanction. Otherwise you are creating a strange incentive for players not to try to protect themselves in the interests of getting the offender more harshly punished. But that is an exception.

The offences under the laws are judged by results (and then some adjusted by intent - deliberate/accidental/reckless) rather than hypothetical, ie what happened, or in this case where was contact made? Like the recent Farrell red - he clocks the lad in the head. If the Wasps player had been running more upright, contact would have been on or slightly below the shoulder. But the “what ifs” are irrelevant. Because outside the exception above it’s absolutely impossible to try to judge offences on the grounds of what might have happened - “well he leads with his shoulder and doesn’t make contact with anyone, but we have to judge that on the basis that someone’s head could have been there”?

Kidney Stone
Kidney Stone
10/10/2020 22:45
Exeter were different gravy.

Bath played ok but were simply not good or inventive enough to get over the line.

I thought the ref was fine right through.

Well played Chiefs.

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
10/10/2020 22:56
“well he leads with his shoulder and doesn’t make contact with anyone, but we have to judge that on the basis that someone’s head could have been there”
If that's your example then I think we can agree he most certainly made contact. We also know it was reckless and illegal as there was no attempt to wrap the arm. The only question is what colour card and that's determined by contact.
Isn't that exactly what Pearce is saying with Elia Elia and Robson? "he tip-tackled him and whilst he didn't land on his head he could have so I'm going to red card him"
That's inconsistent for me EXDJ. Pearce is determining contact based on what could have happened where it not for the impacted players actions. Same deal should apply for Hill.

It'll be interesting to see if they have any other angles.

wetside
wetside
10/10/2020 23:02
Lost to a superb team who put in an almost faultless 80 minute shift. Proud of our improvement/ achievement this season. We can approach the next season with some confidence. Yes we have to improve some to beat Exeter but the other 10 we can handle. Just hope we can watch live rugby at some point in20/21.

EXDJ
EXDJ
10/10/2020 23:16
Quote:
OldMarovian
“well he leads with his shoulder and doesn’t make contact with anyone, but we have to judge that on the basis that someone’s head could have been there”
If that's your example then I think we can agree he most certainly made contact. We also know it was reckless and illegal as there was no attempt to wrap the arm. The only question is what colour card and that's determined by contact.
Isn't that exactly what Pearce is saying with Elia Elia and Robson? "he tip-tackled him and whilst he didn't land on his head he could have so I'm going to red card him"
That's inconsistent for me EXDJ. Pearce is determining contact based on what could have happened where it not for the impacted players actions. Same deal should apply for Hill.

It'll be interesting to see if they have any other angles.

Nope - with Elia Elia the contact and action from him is clear. The ref takes the victim’s actions (ie trying to cushion their fall) out of the equation because (for policy reasons) that shouldn’t affect the result. It’s a very narrow situation where it’s perfectly possible to make that analysis.

Meanwhile here Faletau’s actions are irrelevant. It is a strict liability offence - the only pertinent question (which Pearce and Barnes examines at length) is whether contact is made with the head or not Just like with Farrell. Potential danger doesn’t enter the equation and it would make the ref’s job impossible if it did.

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joethefanatic
10/10/2020 23:39
Individually, I thought all our players did fine (and I thought Cam Redpath was outstanding) but we were well beaten by the better team.

The encouraging thing is that the difference on the field between us and what is certainly the best team in England was not huge and can be addressed through training and experience. But I *do* think we still lack an on-field personality to shape things in the heat of battle (as it were).

Given where we were at the start of the season, this has been a massive step forward for us and I hope to see more progress in the very near future.

My MotM - Cam Redpath

FWIW, I thought the Jonny Hill card should have been a red. One of the reverse tv angles clearly showed the initial shoulder contact was with the back of Taulupe's neck. TBH I don't think it would have changed the result.

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu



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CullyChief
CullyChief
11/10/2020 00:36
Quote:
OldMarovian
Chiefs are a horribly cynical team and you're doing brilliantly without your scrum giving you the platform. Shame that Redbath and Stuart didn't manage to finish the opportunities you created.
Would be good to see some more of Coka and McC to complement what we're seeing of Watson.
Hill very lucky to not be given red.

Fantastic stuff Old Marovian, thanks for that! Just come over to the Bath board to see what they think of our match to find Exeter being called ‘horribly cynical’ by a Saracens fan! Brilliant, thanks for a great laugh.

charlieboa
charlieboa
11/10/2020 08:05
Interesting, if slightly frustrating game to watch.

Think it will a good experience for the squad to understand the level of accuracy, physicality and fitness that is needed to challenge for trophies.

Exeter are a few years further down a path that i feel we are at least on now. Dont think major changes are needed in the coaching set up or playing squad.

In terms of the actual game my frustrations were:
Not finishing big line breaks from redpath and faletau
Dropped kick off
Not scoring at least one try when hill was binned
Inaccuracy when camped on their line
Walker underthrowing several times when he came on

Not a disastrous showing but you cant do that many things wrong against a top top side and come out on top.

charlieboa
charlieboa
11/10/2020 08:10
On the plus side i think redpath looks a serious player. Class act. People need to start tracking him better cos he will create things.

Also thought likes of dunn, mcnally, faletau, watson and rmc stood up to the challenge well.

As a 23 on paper i think the clubs are fairly well matched. We just need to catch up everywhere else. I am v interested in the concept of NTR (no talent required) and how important it is. Would i want woodburn back in place of our back 3- nope. Did his 3 dominant tackles in 5 seconds epitomise exeter- yep

dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
11/10/2020 08:35
Fair play to them. We woz well beaten by one of hell of a team. Their accuracy and intensity really is quite something and it feels like they’re hitting a peak. The way they switch their attack on in the oppo 22 is pretty awesome, with everyone knowing their roles and great pace being put onto the ball at every breakdown before they then churn it out when they get to less than 5m. Awesome rugby. Something to aspire to. And Simmonds is ahead of Ford imho.

For us, well, on another day we could’ve scored a few tries, been within a score and still had the energy and belief to make a game of it in the last quarter... McCon near try, Stuart try disallowed, yellow or red card, our exits and line outs being as poor as they’ve been for a while... we fluffed the big moments or they went against us and they hardly made a mistake, either in attack or defence.

Lots to learn. And if we stick at it and stay on this path, in a year or two we should be a lot closer. Would also be nice to have that home semi final, and I think, on our day, all other 10 sides are beatable.

What fun Restart has been. Well done to all the squad and management and I can’t wait for next season.

charlieboa
charlieboa
11/10/2020 08:45
Quote:
hasta
Why is Spencer line kicking?

I assumed rhys was carrying/picked up a knock.

We never went to him to clear from the 22 either and he has a huge range and is a great option alongside spencers box kicking.

Strange.

dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
11/10/2020 08:52
Yes, Rhys not kicking the line was a big problem both for exits and for penalties. Must’ve been carrying some sort of knock. His right knee was heavily strapped.

Shines a light on our thinness at 10, not that I thought Rhys actually played badly at all. Just a shame we didn’t have the length of his line kicking for our most important game of the season.

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
11/10/2020 09:06
I think Rhys tweaked his knee when he kicked our first penalty. If you watch it again he seems to limp immediately after.

Beergoggles
Beergoggles
11/10/2020 09:06
Exeter are a relentless machine and hugely impressive to boot. However I don’t think the gap is as wide as the scoreline suggests. Once they’d survived the Bath onslaught the inevitable change of mindset took the pressure of Exe and imposed the resignation on Bath. If Bath had closed the gap early second half a very different game would have played out.

dannyf2
dannyf2
11/10/2020 09:15
Exeter fantastically efficient. So ruthless. Fair play to them - they look every bit champions.

We were good!
...but not good enough.... Little things... What if McC gets that ball down for a try in the corner? What if Ellis doesn't drop that restart? What if Stuart doesn't run in to Underhill? What if Faletau stays down after the Hill no-arms tackle (sorry, this is professional sport)? What if Faletau spots Hogg going for the intercept, dummies and goes under the posts? What if Walker hits his line outs?...

These are the small margins that make championship teams. Reflect and improve - I honestly think this Bath team has what it takes, if we really want it.

charlieboa
charlieboa
11/10/2020 09:33
Dannyf/beergoggles- completely agree.

There were lots of little things we just got slightly wrong. Playing in games like last week and this week will help us be more accurate under pressure in big games hopefully. We fell short in both games but sure learnings have been taken.

The jonny hill incident was a v close call and personally thought the contact was with the neck but glad to be honest it was only yellow. It feels slightly too easy to get sent off recently and generally ruins the game (completely appreciate it coming from a place of needing to make the game safer and protect players). We had chances to score a few tries when he was off but weren't accurate enough.

You have to admire exeter and i have huge amounts of time for baxter-class act. Fear that the prem final may be one games too far for them but back them to win europe next week.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
11/10/2020 09:33
Tad more clinical we would have gone in at half time 14 - 13.

However even after only 20 minutes I said they will finish us in the last 20.

Need more intensity for 80 minutes

charlieboa
charlieboa
11/10/2020 09:37
Quote:
Dorset Boy
I think Rhys tweaked his knee when he kicked our first penalty. If you watch it again he seems to limp immediately after.

Thanks DB, makes sense.

As drbath says it does highlight our lack of options at 10. Rhys played well i thought but realistically we had no option but to keep him on whilst crocked anyway.

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shendy
11/10/2020 09:40
Quote:
Rawce
You could see all the sponsorship on Faletau’s back. How is that not on his neck? TMO clearly thought it was, hence suggesting multiple replays.

That was exactly my thinking - you could still see "Thatchers" on the back of his shirt, and look where that is on everyone else's. Impact was therefore on the back of the neck, which is hugely dangerous. I expect that'll get cited - but I don't think it would have changed the result.

charlieboa
charlieboa
11/10/2020 09:46
As i say glad he wasnt sent off despite thinking he prob should have been to the letter of the law.

I seem to be in the minority who think it would have made a huge difference. We were firmly on top during the sin bin period. Any team would struggle to cope for over a half down to 14, esp if that man is an in form, highly influential tight 5 forward.

Glad it didnt come to that, always feel the game is tainted by a red, esp one where its a controversial/tight call.

charlieboa
charlieboa
11/10/2020 09:52
Any thoughts on JJ?

There is a class act in there still somewhere but has been a bit off colour for a few seasons for me. Our style hasnt helped him much but a few breaks by others yest i thought he could have fed off.

I would have personally kept homer, offloaded clark/wright and developed tdg as a 13 to compete for the shirt. He is under no pressure at all as even off form he is way better than our other options.

I think will muir could make a good 13- played all his 15s in the midfield. Will take a little bit of time even if he transfers across as well as rmc.

I don't knock JJ's attitude, he seemed to want to get on the ball, even as first receiver at times....just doesn't seem to be happening for him for whatever reason.

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
11/10/2020 09:56
Well played Exeter. Although we did contribute mightily to an occasion very well refereed by a decisive, clearly communicating Luke Pearce, even if Hill had been sent off(and I believe it was the right decision, reckless yes but no head contact), we probably would have still lost. We were simply not good enough and they showed the standards we need to consistently attain to match them.

I thought some of our guys were really good, Ruaridh, Redpath, Watson, JJ (best game for months), but our basic skills let us down at vital moments. However, the club are in a much better position than we were 12 months ago and for that I congratulate the coaches and players. In recent weeks, we have shown distinct improvements which hopefully we will build on next season and seasons after that. We are realistically 2/3 seasons away from matching Exeter, Saracens, Wasps and Bristol, but there are green shoots of hope.

Come on you Bath.

Adopted player 2020/21 Beno 'the Transformer' Obano


Adopted player 2019/20 Jonathan 'JJ' Joseph.The Jink Joseph.
Adopted player 2018/19 Adopted player 2018/19 Semesa 'The Rock' Rokoduguni

charlieboa
charlieboa
11/10/2020 09:59
Should give JJ credit for that left hand bullet long pass that nearly made a try. As i say he is class and huge amount of time for him.... just think we could get more out of him somehow

jameswood14
Woodpecker
11/10/2020 10:33
Nothing to be ashamed of they really are incredibly good and I believe/hope without cheating on the Cap.

They should beat Wasps but that other final may even things up a bit.

It’s been fun, really looking forward to next year.

Ali1969
Ali1969
11/10/2020 10:33
First and foremost well played Exeter. I personally think that was the most clinical and professional performance I have seen from a club side, even more so than Saracens at their best, they truly are a great side and I think Wasps will struggle to get the freedom to play their expansive game against this Chiefs side, just can only see one winner providing Chiefs don't pick up too many injuries next week or over celebrate which won't happen with Baxter overseeing.

I personally think we played really well in parts and tested Chiefs but what was so disappointing for me was again once we got into the 22 we became like rabbits in headlights when faced with such defence and it was our seasoned internationals who were mainly the culprits.

Redpath looks a real prospect and had another great game, Joe C did not look fit and for me that Gamble did not pay off at all. JJ bar that pass looked slow.

Overall personally I didn't think the score until the last 10 minutes of the match actually reflected the match and that is credit to us and the clinical Chiefs. Good performance from the officials apart from allowing Chiefs to slowly move away from the tackle area and the offside line.

Really good match, we are definitely on the yellow brick road but we still have a long way to go, but really promising and looking forward to the new season, still need to tie down that 10 though.

Jehovas Sandals
Jehovas Sandals
11/10/2020 10:39
Chief fan here......firstly I’d like to apologise for any derogatory or snippy comments made by any of ours.
Secondly I thought you contributed immensely to a very entertaining game and yes of course I’m glad we won but I think it was down to us going the full 80 and with a ruthless attitude.
Score line may have flattered us a bit but we were immense defensively which in itself should give you great optimism for next season.
I thought Watson and Redpath were brilliant for you.
All the best for next season

I drink and forget stuff!

charlieboa
charlieboa
11/10/2020 10:50
Quote:
Jehovas Sandals
Chief fan here......firstly I’d like to apologise for any derogatory or snippy comments made by any of ours.
Secondly I thought you contributed immensely to a very entertaining game and yes of course I’m glad we won but I think it was down to us going the full 80 and with a ruthless attitude.
Score line may have flattered us a bit but we were immense defensively which in itself should give you great optimism for next season.
I thought Watson and Redpath were brilliant for you.
All the best for next season

Thank you, good post. Not sure the score flattered you....very much like bath in the 80s and 90s....if you can go full throttle for 80 you deserve the late scores.

Agree your defence was insane. We tried most things but with little joy.

Redpath and watson two of the stand outs as you say. I look forward to us playing a bit more of a rounded game more often next season so we get the ball in their hands on our own terms more often.

Good luck over the next few weeks, i think wasps will cause you problems as very hard physically and mentally to show up each week but imho you deserve the double.

bardofavon
bardofavon
11/10/2020 13:05
stats from the game.

[www.espn.co.uk]

BBandW
BBandW
11/10/2020 13:42
Ironically I thought we played rather well - it's just that Exeter are very, very good.

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OutsideBath
11/10/2020 13:50
Quote:
BBandW
Ironically I thought we played rather well - it's just that Exeter are very, very good.

Unfortunately though the final score would suggest we aren't closing the gap to be real challengers very quickly.

9215
9215
11/10/2020 14:45
Quote:
bardofavon
stats from the game.
[www.espn.co.uk]

A lot of those stats, aside from the scores, are pretty even.

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shipwrecked
11/10/2020 15:05
Quote:
9215
Quote:
bardofavon
stats from the game.
[www.espn.co.uk]

A lot of those stats, aside from the scores, are pretty even.

Yes, very true, Hooper will be unhappy with line breaks though.

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dcsh
dcsh
11/10/2020 16:21
If this was a transitional/rebuilding season I think it has been pretty successful, if we can incrementally build on this as our young players develop things look very promising.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
11/10/2020 22:56
I hope the Ex v Wasps game is a great match and in these awful times a really good spectacle with a narrow win by Exeter who I think need to put the injustice of the last few years to bed.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
11/10/2020 23:30
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Bathovalballer
We are realistically 2/3 seasons away from matching Exeter, Saracens, Wasps and Bristol, but there are green shoots of hope.
.

I don’t see how you can compare teams based on some form of seasonal increments & I think there is still a big gap between Exeter & Sarries and Bristol & Wasps, who if I remember rightly were languishing badly last season & have made very rapid progress. I think we can do the same if we can address the weaknesses in our back line . Exeter & Sarries (subject to a one year hiccup) are outstanding & it’s not at all certain that we will ever reach that standard, nor Wasps & Bristol. I still don’t understand how Exeter have done so amazingly well after promotion. They were unreal on Saturday. We also cannot discount other teams joining the party. Leicester won’t be absent for long.

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joethefanatic
12/10/2020 01:34
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Bath Hammer
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Bathovalballer
We are realistically 2/3 seasons away from matching Exeter, Saracens, Wasps and Bristol, but there are green shoots of hope.
.

I don’t see how you can compare teams based on some form of seasonal increments & I think there is still a big gap between Exeter & Sarries and Bristol & Wasps, who if I remember rightly were languishing badly last season & have made very rapid progress. I think we can do the same if we can address the weaknesses in our back line . Exeter & Sarries (subject to a one year hiccup) are outstanding & it’s not at all certain that we will ever reach that standard, nor Wasps & Bristol. I still don’t understand how Exeter have done so amazingly well after promotion. They were unreal on Saturday. We also cannot discount other teams joining the party. Leicester won’t be absent for long.

They are unreal but also very... ummm, how do I put this?... streetwise. There was a lot of off the ball blocking and holding going on all game which was not picked up. It's all part of the skills but they are no angels. All the top teams do this, we did, the Tigs were notorious for it, Salaries took it to an art form. When we've learned to do it again, we will be contenders.

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hasta
12/10/2020 08:30
Exeter have done fantastically well because they've built season-on-season. Sarries also did this, and Bris look similar. Wasps it remains to be seen, they look spectacular (but then so did Glaws and Saints).

We're definitely going down the incremental improvement and I'm absolutely in favour of it, it's much more likely to be effective. But we need to see improvement in structured attack, mental-focus and 80-minute games.

opti
Optimist
12/10/2020 13:04
Slightly off-topic, but I think the topic is running out of steam anyway ... but this is interesting:

What Exeter really think of Saracens

.... and especially the Don Armand/Nic White anecdote about Billy Vunipola, who

The confrontation was significantly inflamed, according to the home players, by a comment directed at White by Billy Vunipola.

"....you then hear a Saracens player telling Nic White: ‘Unlucky, you haven’t got a Premiership winner’s medal,’ that sticks in the craw. That’s what some of their lads were saying. They were rubbing in the fact they were quite happy to cheat to win titles. If people had experienced that, they would really understand what it has been like."

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shipwrecked
12/10/2020 13:23
I have sympathy for Exeter's point of view, for me those titles are tainted. I think they should be annoted in some way otherwise it makes a farce of the records.

That type of goading stems from a coaches/management attitude. Clearly Sarries have abandoned a fundamental cornerstone of 'Rugby Union' sportsmanship if that's true they fall even lower in the respect rankings for me. They weren't that high before!

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opti
Optimist
12/10/2020 13:55
But .... values .... humility ....

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shipwrecked
12/10/2020 14:09
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Optimist
But .... values .... humility ....
https://i.redd.it/zkpiztffqpb41.jpg

They need to add one!

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woodpecker
12/10/2020 14:49
Ive read a few things now that make me think Billy V is a bit of an idiot or was.

bardofavon
bardofavon
12/10/2020 16:38
there was a disgraceful episode earlier in the season involving BV and Wayne Barnes. BV took exception to the way barnes spoke to him after he was adjudged to have fouled an opposition player and really pushed barnes to the limit with his ' you cant talk to me like that I'm BV' schtick. barnes should have sent him off but he (barnes) backed down. BV made him look very weak.

OldMarovian
OldMarovian
12/10/2020 16:49
Oh dear. You'd think that after such a good season you'd have other stuff to talk about but I guess not?

I'll still look forward to seeing how Bath fare in the new season. I'll admit to being sceptical of both Hooper and Hatley but they certainly seem to be doing a good job for the club and it will be interesting to see if you can go the next step next season.

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hasta
12/10/2020 17:09
It's rooted from a new story from the Guardian tbf OM.

opti
Optimist
12/10/2020 22:27
Really interesting stats for both semi- finals.

c 200 rucks in our game, closer to 100 in the other.

[www.telegraph.co.uk]

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shipwrecked
13/10/2020 00:15
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OldMarovian
Oh dear. You'd think that after such a good season you'd have other stuff to talk about but I guess not?

OM, No disrespect intended and I'm sure you will be aware of this anyway but realistically it will take a while for Saracen's to earn respect from many rugby fans. It's not as though a season in the championship will automatically heal the wounds.
It really doesn't help when key figures in your club say and do things that antagonise even if they are historical.
Time is a healer and your comments on here are balanced and objective so nothing personal intended but the incident shocked and disappointed. Perhaps its time to focus on the internationals that are up soon!

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opti
Optimist
13/10/2020 08:16
Quote:
OldMarovian
Oh dear. You'd think that after such a good season you'd have other stuff to talk about but I guess not?

Loads of other stuff is talked about - on this thread alone there are hundreds of posts about things other than Sarries. Bury your head in the sand as much as you want but Sarries are the Lance Armstrong of rugby and people interested in rugby will continue to exchange views on the subject, especially when those people genuinely on the inside release new and pertinent information (and that could apply on both sides of the subject).

Ali1969
Ali1969
13/10/2020 09:01
Could be a longer stay than initially expected for Saracens. Chatting to a coach I know from a championship side who stated the way things are they may well scrap the forthcoming season as he said most sides cannot put the infrastructures in place needed and the sheer cost is un-maintainable meaning Saracens cannot gain immediate promotion, unless PRL have already promised them automatic promotion in such circumstances.

If true and no reason to doubt him given he is seriously worried about his club and others unlike Saracens and us they havent got a sugar daddy to finance them, many of them were struggling prior to COVID.

How will this affect Saracens squad a lot of the seasoned internationals are another year older and Eddie Jones is not going to put up with them not playing leading into another World Cup.

More importantly It sharpens your focus and makes you sit up and realise how precarious the situation is below the mutli millionaires of the Premiership. The game has a duty to support these teams some great bastions of the game such as Coventry otherwise they will be gone.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
13/10/2020 10:21
I’m not sure I understand what your coach friend is intimating Ali? Is he suggesting they will suddenly lose more of their top players prior to the start of the season or that they might struggle to end up as champions? I find both scenarios rather surprising or am I missing something?

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hasta
13/10/2020 10:34
If they scrap the season entirely, no one can end up as Champions.

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
13/10/2020 12:25
If Championship season is scrapped, then no champions = no promotion of Sarries = another 12 months in the lower tier = players leaving
that's the train I saw in Ali's post.

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ouch!_that_hurts
13/10/2020 13:52
bardofavon - I'm fairly sure that the incident you referred to was in the game against Exeter that is mentioned in the Guardian article - see about 1:17 on here

Ali1969
Ali1969
13/10/2020 15:29
Dorset Boy spot on, apologies if it was misleading. For me what is more worrying is the very fabric of our game is at risk.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
13/10/2020 19:02
Or does the fabric (clothe) need to be cut differently?

The game becomes amateur again, except for the Premiership, and even there is is made of thinner clothe!

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joethefanatic
13/10/2020 20:16
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Bath Supporter Jack
Or does the fabric (clothe) need to be cut differently?
The game becomes amateur again, except for the Premiership, and even there is is made of thinner clothe!

This. The professional game may fail but rugby as a sport is not going to stop. We'll just return to our amateur roots.

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
14/10/2020 01:25
It is immensely worrying & putting the clock back would be highly damaging. As Ali said,our game is indeed at risk

warrenball
warrenball
14/10/2020 16:04
The Saracens 'attitude' goes right back to the Brendan Venter era, he took ' win at all costs' to a new level and he upset many rugby supporters. This seems to have continued over the years and ended up with the current scandal. Like most people who play sport I am competitive and try very hard to win, but without sportsmanship there can one no real satisfaction in winning and deep down I think that will be something the Saracen players will not escape.

Beergoggles
Beergoggles
16/10/2020 21:07
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warrenball
The Saracens 'attitude' goes right back to the Brendan Venter era, he took ' win at all costs' to a new level and he upset many rugby supporters. This seems to have continued over the years and ended up with the current scandal. Like most people who play sport I am competitive and try very hard to win, but without sportsmanship there can one no real satisfaction in winning and deep down I think that will be something the Saracen players will not escape.

I’m no Saracens lover but I just don’t buy this at all. The Saracens club broke the rules and were rightfully punished. The Saracens players lined up as a 15 and played whoever were in front of them. Unless it can be proven that there were players that we’d paid illegally in some way (brown paper bag) then they should be left out if this. Treading old ground I know but it should have been financial penalty for financial misconduct rather than penalising players, supporters and destroying this year’s league.

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hasta
16/10/2020 21:13
The whole sport of rugby union is predicated on pushing the edges of the laws. It was the same for us in the shamateur era, of Tigers, of Wasps, of Quins, of Sarries and of Exeter now. Sarries crossed the line. They're being punished for it.

opti
Optimist
16/10/2020 21:43
For years and years everyone who takes more than a passing interest in rugby wondered how Sarries were doing it. I’m sure Vunipola, Farrell, Daly et al were assured, and believed, that the way they were being remunerated was within the letter of the salary cap law. I’m equally sure they knew full well that it was well outside the spirit of the cap. To me that makes them complicit, albeit not responsible. They only had to look around the squad to be just as aware as the rest of the world that it didn’t add up.

Beergoggles
Beergoggles
16/10/2020 21:52
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Optimist
For years and years everyone who takes more than a passing interest in rugby wondered how Sarries were doing it. I’m sure Vunipola, Farrell, Daly et al were assured, and believed, that the way they were being remunerated was within the letter of the salary cap law. I’m equally sure they knew full well that it was well outside the spirit of the cap. To me that makes them complicit, albeit not responsible. They only had to look around the squad to be just as aware as the rest of the world that it didn’t add up.

Let’s just say I’m Mario Itoje on megabucks and the club sign Elliot Daly on more megabucks. As a player what exactly am I supposed to do ? Refuse to play, go to the papers, not talk to Elliot, ask for a pay cut ? Maybe I go to the owners and ask for reassurance that we’re still within the cap and he provides that reassurance. What do I do then ?

opti
Optimist
16/10/2020 22:03
You’re right. It’s not up to the players to sort it out. Just don’t expect any sympathy and don’t be too self-righteous (them, not you!)

charlieboa
charlieboa
17/10/2020 10:10
I think we are forgetting that they all joined and played because 'something special was happening at saracens'.....nothing to do with salary.

As you say opti it was blindingly obvious that squad must be miles over cap. Sad thing is it was totally unnecessary.... they have lost over 10 class players since the start of the season and with the quality of their coaching general set up, and players left they still got within a whisker of getting to the euro final and did well in the league.

Exeter are rightly incredibly bitter, i really dont blame them. I dont really have any sympathy for their players and fans as they won trophies, got to celebrate lots of wins etc during that period that they have kept. If they feel those are tainted thats their call.

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