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By Kimbo
August 29 2020

WELL, it's been a long time since I added an update to this site - and truth told, I didn't expect to be doing so again, but I expect folk are missing it a bit, so here goes.

When I passed the site back to Russ, way back in March I was kinda snowed under with family issues, and it was getting to the point that I just wasn't going to have time to do it justice.

A lot has happened in the interim. My Father in Law passed away in April, just a couple of months short of his century, and then my stepfather went the same way a little while after that. Two 'lockdown' funerals ensued, and it has to be said, they were even less fun than than 'normal' time funerals. Minimal attendances allowed, and no wakes to follow either.  Ashes still in boxes, awaiting the right time to do them justice in better times to come.

And hopefully, better times are to come for Coventry Rugby Football Club.

I'm sure most of us appreciate how tough it must be keeping the club going with little or no income, and it's good that most supporters are being exceptionally patient through what might have been received with far less understanding by some.

We still have some way to go before matches can be played at Butts Park Arena, and speculation as to when that might be currently ranges from November to 'well into the new year', and as to how many spectators will be allowed into the ground. Personally, I tend to err towards the latter restart timing scenario as being the more likely, but that remains to be seen.

A while back, we were presented with a list of players who have left the club for pastures new. It's fair to say that a good many of those (eighteen I believe) would not have been going anywhere but for this damned virus, but it is what it is, and it can be seen as a chance to reset and to modify the profile of the squad. Certainly the replacements that have been announced so far have helped to lower the average age of the squad, and certainly lower the running costs of the same.

And that's no bad thing at the moment. There's nothing to gain from attempting to front-up to the collective purchasing power of Saracens and Ealing, so biding time seems prudent. For now.

To Recap then;

Players leaving:

Gibbons (ETF), Russell (Hartpury), Flinn (Hartpury), Halaifonua (Scottish), Adams (Cambridge), Langley (Moseley), Wallace (Leicester), Kessell (Bristol), Stevens (Retiring), Ellis, Tolmie, Dawidiuk, Denman, Voss, Oram, Ram, Trimble, J. Bulumakau.

There's a lot of top- and second-level experience there, and a lot of associated cost no doubt. It'll take some replacing.

Players Retained

Brown (FB), Owen (C), A. Bulumakau (W), Forsyth (C), Knox (C), Fenner (FH), Jennings (FH), Lewis (FH), White (SH), Peters (Captain, BR), Burrows (BR), Nayalo (BR), Nutley (BR), Dacres (L), Woolford (L), Buckle (H), Boulton (TH), Jeannot (TH).

Players Incoming

Toby Trinder (LH, Northampton, 17/7/20), Rob Stevenson (W, Scottish, 27/7/20), Alex Gibson (TH, Hartpury, 25/8/20), Keston Lines (LH, Leicester, 25/8/20)

Players Promoted from Devt. Squad

Sam McNulty (H), Kailus Hutchinson (L), James Martin (W).

I make that a First Team Squad of 25, with a lot of talent throughout, if a little light in a few areas - all of which will be addressed in the fullness of time no doubt.

It's too early to make any predictions as to how the season is going to pan out, but a comfortable mid-table finish beckons I think.

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Coming and Going. To and Fro
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020:09:18:09:26:10 by Kimbo.

Rob C
Rob C
02/09/2020 10:16
Sorry to hear about your losses Kimbo but I know I won't be alone in welcoming you back to the site.

We're generally a patient bunch of supporters but this is always the best forum for hearing any snippets of news.

HoboAl
HoboAl
02/09/2020 11:00
Kimbo
Sorry to hear about your loss. These have been strange and difficult times. Glad you have remained positive and thanks for your time and effort with the article.

albie
Geoff Kennedy
02/09/2020 12:37
You have endured a very difficult few months Kimbo - sorry to hear about the passing of your family members.
You are great to get this popular site back up and running - my thanks to you for doing so.
We now have a clear understanding of who has signed so far for the coming season and no doubt there will be additions as and when Roland is ready to announce them

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Kimbo
02/09/2020 19:48
Hopefully there will be several more Geoff.
We will all need to be extra patient though!

CharlieBravo
CharlieBravo
03/09/2020 10:39
It's obvious from the above appreciative comments that this board has been very much missed over the last few weeks and that Kimbo's efforts to get it back up and running are welcomed.
Given that it provides a lifeline as a dynamic forum for messages, exchanges of views, the provision of updates, requests for help and assistance in whatever form, general banter between supporters, etc, etc, it's a puzzle as to why it was allowed to go down and, without Kimbo's intervention, it would probably still be down.
There seems too, to have been little transfer of anything from the Unofficial Coventry Rugby Twitter account, or any story posts, in the last several months, so it's not entirely surprising that it became moribund and we supporters had to witness its demise.
All of which would appear to beg the question as to whether it needs a moderator who has the time to be able to keep on top of it?

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OldNick
03/09/2020 11:31
It was allowed to go down because the person who took over management of it did nothing to keep it updated. If left without news items the owners of the site will take it down until updated.

The reason that there have been no transfers of information from other sources is exactly the same. News items have to be copied across by the manager of the site.

More concerning is what has happened to Russ? Has he just lost interest, has he been away on holiday, or are there other reasons that he has made no updates to the site in the past few months? We don't need to be told specifics, but is there anyone who can confirm he is OK?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020:09:03:12:25:12 by OldNick.

Rob C
Rob C
03/09/2020 12:16
Good point.

If Russ has been unable or unwilling to update the site then that's obviously up to him but, being an old mucker of mine, I'd hope he's keeping ok in these strange times...

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Kimbo
03/09/2020 12:45
Being an old mucker, is there any chance of you checking he's OK?

Rob C
Rob C
03/09/2020 12:57
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Kimbo
Being an old mucker, is there any chance of you checking he's OK?

Old is the key word Kimbo - school mates from 40 odd years ago - my only contact now is when we occasionally bump into each other...

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Kimbo
03/09/2020 13:31
Oh well. Keep 'em peeled.

CharlieBravo
CharlieBravo
04/09/2020 07:44
Itís unfortunate that the site became neglected. It happened before (I think it was early this year?) and Kimbo became pretty pi**ed off with Sportnetworkís reaction.
If youíre out there Russ perhaps you could put our minds at ease?

Cov_InPeace
Cov_InPeace
07/09/2020 16:15
Sorry gents, Iím alive and well, but itís been frantically busy at work since the Covid crisis broke out.

Iím not a first responder or anything as brave as that, these days I work in the rather less dramatic world of financial data/modelling. Suffice to say no one quite saw this coming, so Iíve been a bit busy sorting things out data-wise. Itís really not as exciting as it sounds. smiling smiley

Thank you for the kind thoughts though, itís nice to be missed!

Iíd noticed the site was down a few days ago, which probably shows how often Iíve been here recently. I was actually tempted to call Sports Networkís bluff by refusing to update it and telling them so - theyíve then got the choice to lose all advertising by dropping a ridiculously unfair update rule, or keep some interest in the site by letting the message board stay up regardless.

However Iíve not had the chance to do that either, and Kimbo beat me to it by adding content. I still think their argument is patently rubbish though, and Iím still of the opinion that we should move away from here rather than have them demand fresh news content every two weeks to satisfy an arbitrary requirement.

Anyway, regardless of all of that, I hope everyone is well. Iím going to miss a few of those players, especially big George Oram who never failed to put in a full shift and then some...

Cheers,

Russ.

CharlieBravo
CharlieBravo
07/09/2020 20:24
Hi Russ, it good to know youíre alive and well.
Obviously the site has missed the almost day-to-day management which it needs in order to meet the demands of Sportsnetwork and itís perhaps a bit unfortunate that you hadnít noticed that it was down until ďa few days agoĒ whereas, in fact, it actually went down some considerable time before that.
Given that the demands on your time with work and family leave you with restricted opportunity to manage the site, is it worth considering whether Kimbo, in his retirement and his willingness to take the responsibility on board, may be in a better position to take over from you?
Youíll appreciate that I have no axe to grind here and do not wish to embroil myself in the responsibilities which come with the site management, but could it be, in the circumstances, to your advantage (and possible relief) to relinquish the role.
Itís my impression that supporters are not favourably inclined towards the idea of a move away from the site to an alternative, so could this be a further incentive for you to let someone else take the responsibility?

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Kimbo
08/09/2020 23:36
It's the inconsistency that hacks me off most.

I've mentioned it before, both on here and on the Sportnetwork internal 'Publishers' forum, but I'll say it again.

There's no way that SN are totally impartial in their shut-down policy. A good few months ago (when I was still running this site) I got the right hump when they shut us down after 14 days without an update. Fine, you may say; them's the rules.
And I agree.
It's no excuse that I was away in a field somewhere with no laptop and very little internet access. That's my problem. I accept that. I was one day late though.
What really boiled my pish, however, was that several other sites had not updated at all for many weeks - months even.
Where was their sanction? Fair? Demonstrably not.

Just out of curiosity, I had a quick survey of the SN rugby sites earlier this evening.
I noted that Plymouth's site had disappeared (they haven't updated since late July, so it's to be expected).
However, of the others, Both Bedford and PzN appear to be well past their two weeks (approx 2.5 months and 11 months respectively).
Even in the rarified Promised Land, there are sites past their update limit (Wasps, Sale, Quins, Cardiff, to various degrees).

Like I said; it's the inconsistency.

CharlieBravo
CharlieBravo
09/09/2020 10:10
Presumably youíve vented your ire directly to SN?

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Kimbo
09/09/2020 16:55
Twice.

CharlieBravo
CharlieBravo
09/09/2020 19:30
And the response was...........?

CharlieBravo
CharlieBravo
11/09/2020 08:59
Your silence says it all. So clearly you donít feel you have made any impact. Is there anything that we as users/posters can do to give weight to your argument?

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Kimbo
11/09/2020 09:05
My silence says I've only just seen your question.
No response the second time
The first time, they responded by saying they would 'look at the policy'. That patently didn't happen.
Nothing changes there, and I see nothing that will make it change, frankly.

CharlieBravo
CharlieBravo
11/09/2020 14:52
I would never have thought that youíd be prepared to sit back in such a situation, having got no response and to allow the inconsistencies to continue. Thatís not like you. If you think thereís anything that can be done by users/posters to add weight to your approach to SN, you have only to ask.

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OldNick
11/09/2020 16:03
There are three very good reasons for sticking with SN,for all its failings.

1: They manage the infrastructure.

They run a site fo lots of teams, and unless / until they give up it's not our problem.
If we change moderator here, SN carries on and our site carries on.
If a moderator vanishes here its a temporary inconvenience to get a new one set up.
The club hasno interest in running an unofficial foru, neiter does the supporters' association. If the moderator had to run a forum as well as occasionally intervening, and regularly adding news items, we would get through a lot more moderators, a lot more quickly.
When moderators change, the ite URL doesn't. If the moderators also ran the infratructure a change in moderator would oftenmean a new site ata new URL.

2: It's free.

Or rather, it's paid for by advertisements that the moderator doesn't have to manage.

To fund a forum hosting, either by advertisements or by periodic appeals is another task that the moderator doesnlt have to touch. Give that job (either version to a moderator, and again the frequency of change would increase.

3: It's where a lot of other clubs have forums.

People can find us. Pretty well every club that has moved away from SN,nd the supporters have set up their own forum, the replacement has lasted less than a season.

Cov_InPeace
Cov_InPeace
11/09/2020 16:50
Just to make a quick couple of points here, the pro boards forum I created the last time SN pulled the site is still there, still working, and actually has much better functionality...

[coventryrfc.proboards.com]

Iíve used pro boards for at least seven years on different forums without any issues, fwiw, so have no reason to fear their longevity. Itís free both to set up and to use.

Iím also more than happy for anyone to jump in and start creating content on here, but as above Iíve been a bit busy to do so.

The reason we churn through admins and this becomes an issue is it becomes a bit of a chore both creating new content and working through SNís painful, rickety content management system. SN obviously rely on inertia from users who donít wish to move away, and goodwill and free time from admins who jump through their hoops to keep the site up.

Complaining to SN is a waste of time, Iíve done it, Kimboís done it, other site admins have done it, all to zero effect. What might make them listen is letting the board shut down for a while, and then they might see how farcical their stance is.

I get that for some of you thatís not something youíd like, but unless we do the message board is always at the risk of being shut down when Iím (or any new or current admin) is busy.

Iím at the point where I donít really want to play their game, and even if I did I havenít got enough time some weeks to do so. Iím happy to pass admin duties on or to at least share the responsibility (although I think the better choice actually is to bite the bullet and move onto a platform thatís better designed and less susceptible to the whims of SN).

Any volunteers?

telly1
telly1
11/09/2020 20:06
Yes, problems all round.
Biggest is that the clubs accounts have now been lodged and to June 19, we are showing a £2.8million loss in the profit and loss account and a 1.2 million loss for the year to June 19.
Of course, we now have the current year to add to that ie: to June 2020 and clearly this will add on another million or so.
Accordingly, we are so insolvent it seems that we simply will not be around when the season begins.
Whenever that might be.
Add to that the RFUhave cut funding by 50% down to £250k and referees will take most of that.
It is published that a P Ross Borough and J Maguire and a guy from Bedworth are directors and are owed money.
Will Maguire make more loans to us.
It is said he was the "Alickadoo" promoter back in the 98,bankruptcy.
Hopefully, poor old John Sharpe will not get investor fatigue, although selling jet engine finance/leasing cannot be very busy just now for obvious reasons.
Looks all over for us with the current owner and board who already have had a crowd funding to pay local suppliers.
We need big money investors with no hope of promotion in future as ring fencing is surely the end game.

HoboAl
HoboAl
11/09/2020 22:07
Quote:
telly1
Yes, problems all round.
Biggest is that the clubs accounts have now been lodged and to June 19, we are showing a £2.8million loss in the profit and loss account and a 1.2 million loss for the year to June 19.
Of course, we now have the current year to add to that ie: to June 2020 and clearly this will add on another million or so.
Accordingly, we are so insolvent it seems that we simply will not be around when the season begins.
Whenever that might be.
Add to that the RFUhave cut funding by 50% down to £250k and referees will take most of that.
It is published that a P Ross Borough and J Maguire and a guy from Bedworth are directors and are owed money.
Will Maguire make more loans to us.
It is said he was the "Alickadoo" promoter back in the 98,bankruptcy.
Hopefully, poor old John Sharpe will not get investor fatigue, although selling jet engine finance/leasing cannot be very busy just now for obvious reasons.
Looks all over for us with the current owner and board who already have had a crowd funding to pay local suppliers.
We need big money investors with no hope of promotion in future as ring fencing is surely the end game.

Cheers Telly1 for gatecrashing a thread with positivity. If only your input had brought a few things we aren't all aware of already. Re crowd funding - numerous clubs have done it in these difficult times. I am sure you chipped in, so well done, thanks for your continued support.

HoboAl
HoboAl
12/09/2020 07:35
Telly 1 perhaps you would like to share your views on the financial situation of the RFU, Wasps, London Irish and Leicester Tigers?

poplarside
poplarside
12/09/2020 08:28
Quote:
telly1
Yes, problems all round.
Biggest is that the clubs accounts have now been lodged and to June 19, we are showing a £2.8million loss in the profit and loss account and a 1.2 million loss for the year to June 19.
Of course, we now have the current year to add to that ie: to June 2020 and clearly this will add on another million or so.
Accordingly, we are so insolvent it seems that we simply will not be around when the season begins.
Whenever that might be.
Add to that the RFUhave cut funding by 50% down to £250k and referees will take most of that.
It is published that a P Ross Borough and J Maguire and a guy from Bedworth are directors and are owed money.
Will Maguire make more loans to us.
It is said he was the "Alickadoo" promoter back in the 98,bankruptcy.
Hopefully, poor old John Sharpe will not get investor fatigue, although selling jet engine finance/leasing cannot be very busy just now for obvious reasons.
Looks all over for us with the current owner and board who already have had a crowd funding to pay local suppliers.
We need big money investors with no hope of promotion in future as ring fencing is surely the end game.

it's Jon Sharp!!! For crying out loud.....

CharlieBravo
CharlieBravo
13/09/2020 16:50
Whenever I see that Telly1 has posted I donít bother to read it. He talks such a load of cr*p, none of which is supported by evidence and his negativity is pathetic and wearisome.
As a result, I donít respond. Which is the best way to deal with such a d*ckhead.

titchywinger
titchywinger
13/09/2020 22:45
Yet another warning of the dire financial situation Cov rugby are in from Telly1. A situation that most rugby, soccer, cricket, bowls and tennis clubs up and down the country find themselves in during these times. What I find fascinating Telly1, is that despite your regular doom and gloom regarding Cov's financial situation, you have donated generously to the crowdfunder and have bought a season ticket. Could you tell us why you would throw your money at a club where " time is running out".

Maybe you could come up with some constructive comments and money making ideas after you have furnished us with the facts that you promise us.

Dave Atkins

Cov_InPeace
Cov_InPeace
14/09/2020 09:02
Deleted a post from Telly1 making an unsubstantiated accusation of illegal conduct against known individuals.

Telly1, Iím done with warning you. I donít have enough time to monitor the board for libel, so later on Iíll be removing your access to post under that user name.

CharlieBravo
CharlieBravo
15/09/2020 06:50
Well done Russ. I would have thought the vast majority of users of this board would support you. Itís just unfortunate that your responsibilities have to go so far as this, because you could do without it.

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Kimbo
15/09/2020 11:09
Quote:
CharlieBravo
Well done Russ. I would have thought the vast majority of users of this board would support you. Itís just unfortunate that your responsibilities have to go so far as this, because you could do without it.
Any bets on his new user name?

CovBlueLou
CovBlueLou
15/09/2020 11:55
Quote:
Kimbo
Any bets on his new user name?

Tellytubby?

CharlieBravo
CharlieBravo
15/09/2020 12:22
Given that he cannot budge from posting the same old repetitive claptrap, it wonít be too difficult to spot him.

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Kimbo
15/09/2020 16:35
First to correctly identify him wins a major prize.
Or not.

longford tim
longford tim
15/09/2020 16:52
If Jon Sharp, or Chris Wearmouth put any news on the official site regarding club accounts, then I will believe it. I will take no notice of anything else posted by someone who is not connected to the club or the board. I hope Russ's actions mean we have seen the very last of telly1

Cov_InPeace
Cov_InPeace
16/09/2020 13:55
Truthfully gents, Iím very sad to have to do it. Itís good to have challenging opinions on here, and important too, imho.

However, not for the first time, he went from stating an opinion to positing as fact a suggestion of illegal conduct. Thatís just not on, Iím afraid.

Letís not lower ourselves to personal attacks, please. For all I know Telly is a thoroughly decent chap with a love of the club, but who canít work within the required boundaries of debate here. I wish him no ill will.

If he appears under a different guise but posts within the rules, I wonít need to do anything further, I guess.

Russ...

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