With no inkling of what the thinking is behind the closed doors at Headingley, I decided to embark on a journey of total speculation about the incoming DoR. Who are the candidates? What is the likelihood of each candidate landing the job? I present here for your delectation, a list of the potential men to take Leeds to a future of rugby union dominance in England...
1. Daryl Powell
Whether he is rated as a coach by the fans is of no consequence, what matters is whether he's rated as a coach by players and potential players. Unfortunately, we have no information here, and can only speculate. I place him as favourite for the job, simply because he's there already, knows the setup, the current group of players and will have been involved in the incoming player selection. He has had experience of the top job in Rugby League, which is, of course, his first love, and indeed knows the pressure that he can expect from a demanding employer such as Gary Hetherington. Evens
2. Ben Ryan
Former Newbury head coach and currently overseeing the England Sevens squad, where Tom Biggs has recently been selected for the Twickenham Sevens at the weekend (coincidence?). Widely regarded in England as a top coach, and no doubt has the respect of the pro-rugby community, appointing Ben Ryan would be a signal that Leeds means business. The downside is that he has no experience of Premiership rugby management, and this could prove crucial. 4-1
3. Lyn Jones
Recently let go by the Ospreys under slightly mystifying circumstances, there's no doubt about the man's coaching pedigree, having built the Ospreys squad since their inception. Another one that would command the respect of the players, and the first of many Welshmen on this list. However, are Leeds big enough in ambition for him? Come to that, is he a big enough name for Leeds? 20-1
4. Jon Callard
The odds on Callard's return to Headingley have, in my view, receded somewhat in his call-up to act as kicking and attacking coach to the England squad for the Summer tour to New Zealand. The man has pedigree and is a favourite with many Leeds fans, who cite that his arrival at Headingley coincided with the period of history in which Leeds played their best attacking rugby. Experience (good and bad) of the Premiership, and a top name to attract class players to the club. One to watch. 25-1
5. Neil Back
Neil Back is increasingly being mentioned on the message board, with, to my knowledge, not much evidence to back it. It is rumoured he's looking for a head role and would be a massively high profile appointment if he could be persuaded to make the move from the East Midlands. Downsides are two-fold: no experience of coaching at the top level, although that is somewhat mitigated by his extensive experience on the playing side. The second downside is that he is a Tiger, and if they were to come calling for him, would anyone seriously doubt he'd be off back down the M1? 100-1
Additional 26/06/2008: It's looking increasingly likely that Backy is now our man. Those 100-1 odds look very generous! However there is a correction to be made in the above section: Back has plenty of coaching experience at the top level (he's Leicester's defence coach for 2007/8), but not as a DoR.
6. Lyn Howells
The second Welshman in my list, Lyn has just settled into the role at Doncaster after Clive Griffiths' swift exit to Worcester at the beginning of last season. Donny would not be pleased to lose another DoR so quickly, and the inference of the press suggests that Howells is in it for the longer term with Donny. His experience with Borders being pulled from under his feet can't have been a happy one, and it is likely he'll want to put some roots down at a club he thinks can go places. 100-1
And the rest …
7. Andre Bester
Rumoured already to have turned the job down (without it having been offered!), Andre Bester was at one stage the favourite, but now moves down to seventh in the list. A reputation for "my way or the highway" coaching, he will at least know some of the imcumbent players in Leeds (Bedford, Lund, Hopcroft, Fourie etc) after his successful spell with Rotherham. Not a favourite of some of the regular posters on TykesRugby, who would prefer to see a backs-oriented coach come in. 200-1
8. Phil Davies
Last Welshman on the list, and one we all know well. Phil Davies will always be a part of the Leeds heritage, having brought the club up from literally nowhere to the Premiership during his previous tenure. However a disasterous final season saw him move to Scarlets, but he is now out of work again. Although apparently able to attract top quality players, his man management skills has come into question. A backward step. 250-1
9. Eddie O'Sullivan
Another someone out of a job at the moment, although strongly rumoured, and therefore favourite, to take over the vacant job at Thomand park. Moving to England and coaching in the Premiership will be something completely outside his experience, and our Irish correspondents have expressed their fervent views about his abilities for the national team. A non-starter. 500-1
10. Jake White
World cup winner. Widely regarded as one of the best coaches in the world. Was hotly tipped for the England job before Johnno got it, and press innuendo suggested it was the only job he actively wanted. He is definitely not in a hurry to sign up anywhere else, and I think if he were to come to Leeds, we really would have scored a major coup - somewhat akin to Justin Marshall's signing in 2006/7. It just ain't gonna happen! 2000-1
11. The Carnegie Challenger
By far the most likely option. This clown has regularly been boo-ed and castigated by the crowd at Headingley. With little or no knowledge of how fans think never mind how players do, and with the motivational skills of a dead badger, the Challenger could be the thing that kills the club off completely. Dead Cert!
I still think the club needs to making an announcement sooner rather than later when PD left Lanny was announced quite soon.
This could potentially back fire on the club as players we are looking to sign may sign elsewhere as they will want re-assurances on what the club is doing. I know its still only May but in around 5-6 weeks it will be the beginning of pre season and the new man will need set out his vision for the club.
Olliek, that was before Lanny has gone to greener pastures, I wonder whether his opinions have changed. I agree with Andy, favorite with me as well. Personally would like Lyn Jones but you cant have everything.
The issues are far grater at this time. WHat is it 5 weeks since the anouncment that we would have more names for players coming? They said we would hear within two weeks?
We still look like 14 players gone 1 dor gone and only 2 coming in. I have just receved my
' thanks for your valued support....
the sixteenth man......
does that mean there will be 5 of us in the crowd then??? you'd think they would want to get me in ANY bar never mind charge for the privilidge?
Out of your top 3 Andy I would have to go for Lyn Jones he is an undoubted coach and could bring some names up here too but we shall see
Like the idea of the Challenger though
Some say he has a Tykes flag with team signatures on.
Others say that he's doing the same to the Carnegie flag,
All we know is that he's called Leeds carnegie signed flag.
Good choice LCSF but I think he's looking for something abroad, but who knows, he took Neath from Division 1 and turned them into the Ospreys, so he has form.
He sertainly does have form and who knows he could bring Ryan Jones up here too
BUT somehow i think we'll end up with Powell though
Some say he has a Tykes flag with team signatures on.
Others say that he's doing the same to the Carnegie flag,
All we know is that he's called Leeds carnegie signed flag.
Could you imagine if we got Eddie O' Sullivan, ok he hasent had any coaching experiance in england but he has in international and i would love him to come here, ok he probably doesent know were Leeds is in the world and probably never come here but you can hope, i like the sound of Neil Black, Lyn jones & Ben Ryan this is going to be very intersting to see who we get......
I can't see the club appointing somebody with so little knowledge if the club is serious about mounting a challenge for Nat1, otherwise there will far less season tickets sold than the last time were in Nat1 and considering it was only 300 that will be saying something, I would also say the club would struggle to attract 4 figure crowds.
This will be a VERY BIG DECISION for the board to get right and show both the supporters and the rugby world how committed Leeds Rugby is to Rugby Union. If they get it wrong they will have to pacify both supporters.....
Timofe- That is the most sensible post so far. Director of rugby could be as far away from head coach as you liked!
I listen to the hysteria concerning Johnson as england manager and how he will cope with no prior experience and i think..... He has played under the best COACHES in the world. If any body can appoint a COACH its him. HE wont necessarily do it himself, In fact i bet HE won't! Dean Richards doesnt COACH Harlequins and as dragon will say Richard Hill doesnt necessarily COACH Bristol, Paul Hull Does! Jim Malinder didnt COACH Northampton to the Div 1 Title he had held from Grayson et al along the way!
We could do alot worse than Mike Gray as DoR. He has experfience of the game and a VERY sensible head on his shoulders. Mark Evans of Quins and formerly Saracens springs to mind in this role!
The new Dor isn't a quick fix. It's not a "Lets fill the role before its too late" scenario!
The time needs to be taken to find somebody with the ATTITUDE not neccarily the reputation to bring people in. Coaches bring players in, Attitude brings players in, have faith in the fact the leeds spirit brings players/coaches/DoR's/Dancers/Challengers/South-standers (What ever manner of beast they are!) and whatever else we can muster! We have a good squad already for next year and our ticket takings were an improvent as well!
Timofe Loosehead - maybe you're assuming that Director of Rugby equates to Head Coach. It doesn't have to.
It could be, and if its the case then perhaps a job re-title would not go amiss Director of Opps or something similar who will 'coach' us if he does not become DoR then they need to distance Director of Rugby to that of Head Coach
One of our criticisms this year has been that SL had too much to do. If we have a DoR/Ops manager AND a set of coaches then the workload is spread out more. So who do you have as your "big name"? Coach or DoR?
I agree with alot of these posts, but how about DOR being Powell (knows the sytems at Leeds, the players) and reinforce him with some new coaches with RU experiance, one to concentrate on the forwards and someone like Darren Edwards (who has got alot of experiance and knows the players) to focus on the backs. As mention on the thread, SL seemed to do too much.
Mac - the problem with your suggestion is, in my mind, that DP was to blame for a lot of the team's failings last season & hence carries a lot of baggage going forward.
At the current time, I would be glad of any coach as long as they were RU qualified. Would prefer two or more RU coaches, one to definately to focus on the Backs.
The news from Munster, Ulster and Ireland from over the weekend suggests that Garrett Fitzgerald, the Munster CEO is interviewing candidates for the their job over the next 7-10 days, with the main 3 candidates being Eddie, Mick Galwey and Michael Bradley (looks highly unlikely to be a "Foreign" Coach, as the IRFU are committed with Munster to keeping it Irish, if possible). I think that it's highly likely to be Eddie, as Fitgerald would be one of Eddie's strongest Allies from his days in charge of the National side - and possibly the main reason why Eddie managed to cling onto power for so long. As for Andre Bester, then i think that it's a Horse that's run it's course and has been withdrawn from the race to succeed Lancaster - if it was ever entered in the first place, as there hasn't been any confirmation in the media over here that he ever applied for the job of DoR at Leeds ( he was approached to become an Assistant Coach under Lancaster if the reports that made it into the media and onto here were correct). I have a strong feeling that the board at Leeds will take the same approach as what Munster and the IRFU have done and recruit from the current crop of coaches that have RFU Coaching qualifications and develop the grassroots of the game as well as the continued improvement of the first team at Headingley - and that means getting them back up at the first time of asking and to keep them there, but within the financial constraints of the club
Dont upset me Catchy after such a great weekend. We dont want Eddie and thats a fact. As for Leeds they need a big name coach who ticks all the right boxes and it may well be a foreinger.
Just had a very strange thought, and I have no doubt that I will be laughed at from pillar to post but .....wait for it.........wait...........what about Bentos for DOR. Knows the game inside out, inspirational motivator...its not that daft an idea is it.
I don't think he is an option for DOR, he doesn't have enough experience for the post, but I am slightly surprised he does not have a bigger role within the club given the successful career he has had. It would be good to see him involved in the coaching set up in some way.
The longer the wait goes on for DOR the more I am thinking that Darryl Powell will get the job.
Martin Haag, forwards coach credited with turning the Bristol pack into a force, currently helping out with the Bath Academy I believe and an old mate of Jon Callard's.
Realistic target, track record and a coach for the future all in one.
Martin Haag has just joined the RFU along with Callard, for those interested these coaches have reached level 4 & 5,
Nigel Redman, John Callard, Stuart Lancaster, Richard Hill, Toby Booth, Shaun Edwards, Ben Ryan, Martin Haag, Neil Back, John Fletcher, Paul Hull and Dennis Betts. I do think that if it was to be Daryl Powell to take over then we would have heard by now, my money is still on Phil Davies although I did like someones suggestion that Joe Lydon could be considered.
It would be good to see him involved in the coaching set up in some way.
He is - he runs all the summer camps and community work - he's coaching kids from day to day to day and puts a tremedous amount of effort into it, and this is one of the reasons he was "let go" from Cleck.
Freddy, knowing Bentos a little bit I don't think he'd want the job, but he certainly has never been short of an opinion on various recruits over the years, and certainly knows the game backwards. I'd like to think he'd have something to offer, but I don't think he'd be up for the top job - too much admin involved....
We go on about getting a new Defence Coach why not ask Powell to become the Defence & Skills Coach we get a new Forward and Backscoach but Powell moves to defence
Wild Willie - I never Knew that you had to breathe when you read !! (that's where i've been going wrong all these years !!) - I drink like i type - incesently !!!
What I meant was that I am surprised he is not more involved in coaching the first team. I've always felt it a bit odd that the one staff member we have who has played successfully at the highest level (ie Lions tour to SA) doesn't get involved in coaching our 1st XV in some way.
I really can't think Phil D will return, even with the new ownership it would be too big a pill for the club to swallow.
I would much prefer someone from outside of the club to come in as DOR rather than PD (who has only been away 2 years) or an internal appointment so we can make a fresh start.
Thats what I thought when I had the idea. Bentos sits in the background doing what he does and everyone has a good word for him. So why doesnt he get more invovled with the playing and coachind side. His experience and knowledge of the game seems to be wasted working with the community team. A very worthwhile post but he could be more involved.
Freddy - Add Tony McGahan to the list of candidates for the Munster Job (he's presently the Attack/Defence Coach at Munster and has been so since 2005, but will have applied for the Job - but if he doesn't get it, then he may well link up with Deccy again for the National side)
Michael Bradley has kept tight-lipped about speculation linking him to Munster ahead of tonights game at Kingsholm Freddy - And i have a feeling that you wouldn't want him to coach Munster as well !!!
How about another name from Left Field and has been at the the club before Damien McGrath he was a former Assistant coach at the Rhino's but left to coach England U19 a few years ago, he would make a good back/skills/defence coach and get an expereinced forwards coach in.
Has the carnegie challenger or GH offered any pearls of wisdom as to who the club might want to approach and over what time scale. An appointment this side of Christmas would be a good thing but I am not so sure it will happen. GH will start talking of an X factor DOR soon at which point we know we are stuffed.
Prospective players will rightly want to know what is happening on the DOR coaching side before committing themselves to the club so at the moment it seems like a complete shambles.
No Freddy I agree the club had dragged its heels over this news. next week will be 4 weeks since Lanny announced he was stepping whilst 4 weeks might not be considered a long time, there is still more than 3-4 weeks before pre season begins, and what will happen then if no one is in place are players going to turn up and wonder what to do, what's going on. Sure you can say you don't need a Head Coach in Pre Season as its fitness based but there is only so long that you can deal with the fitness side of things a game plan and direction to challenge Nat1 needs formulated.
The commercial side is the same, how is the club going to persuade fans to buy a Season ticket as well as corporate sponsors.
I'm not usually supportive of this board, but it isn't a labourer they're recruiting, It's a DoR these things take time.
They need to approach people/advertise, accept applications, consider applications, draw up a shortlist, invite to interview/presentation, consider presentations, make job offer, agree terms, sign contracts, then finally tell us.
If you want that done in 4 weeks then i'm sorry your dillusional.
So far they should be at least at the shortlist/Interview stage.
I would say its longer than 4 weeks Skibum, Lanny didnt turn up to work on May 6th and announce that he decided to take a job with the RFU. Its more than likely that Lanny will have been approached at least as far back as early April possibly much earlier than that.
Its not as if the club would been kept in the dark that Lanny might decide to leave so I would expected the club to have started looking for a new guy around 30 minutes after Lanny announced he was to take up a job with the RFU.
And I agree with you they are not recruiting a labourer but a qualified Rugby coach which means that there would be far less people to interview and presentations to be seen, and if we hazard a guess that they drew up a short list with at least 5 people for the job they will have had at least 5 weeks to interview these prospective candidates and if we say they only held 1 interview a week.
There has still been time to even call at least 2 of them back for 2nd interview before they decided to offer the job at least within the last 7-10 days
The club said they wanted to have someone in place by the start of July so this is still within their timeframe.
I am surprised that there have not been any rumours in the press. I can only recall the mention of Andre Bester in the Post a while back (and it was obvious he would be mentioned given he doesnt have a rugby job at the moment and coached roth).
Come on Phil lets get serious here are you telling me that the club only had a weeks notice before it was announced publicly that Lanny was to leave from what I hear and read Phil Davies had announced he going to quit in Feb around 2 months before the public announcement. Of course they are going to say its a total shock, what do you expect
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yeah we really knew around a month ago but we thought it best to keep quiet about this stuff
Even if Lanny only gave a standard months notice that is still 7-8 weeks ago. Then there is us Leeds rugby its not as if we going to be looking at coaches such as Jake White, Fabien Galthie, Ewan McKenzie etc we are probably looking at names like Bester, possibly Ben Ryan and other coaches of their ilk , with Lanny moving the club would have had a fairly good idea on the type of coach they were looking to recruit a short list would have been drawn up inside a week and these coaches would have been approached about wanting to apply for the vacant job. You might think yeah no rush, but pre season is around 3 weeks away and if its July before an announcement is made that is going to give the new coach less than 8 weeks to the 1st game against Nottingham to get his game plan together with Exeter away the following week 2 hard games and if things are not in place we could find ourselves 0-2 with a couple of points and hard few months ahead.
The problem is our season has been over for a couple of weeks now and we're getting jittery. Remember it isn't even the end of may yet - the premiership winners haven't yet been decided. We are way way way too early to be getting uppity about an announcement
If the club takes 2/3 months and then we get an inhouse apponitment, then I'll be annoyed. At the moment I'd rather they take as long as they think they need to get the right man. These things shouldn't be rushed.
If the club are going to sign players of any note, those players will quite rightly want to know which direction the club is going in (playing style, coaching style general set up etc) IF there is no DOR in place this may be a deterrent to some players.The longer it goes on the worse it will be. But I guess it will give GH another set of excuses for not being able to sign players of note.
It just seems to me that this club does everything bottom about face and at its own pace totally lacking in urgency. It would not be so bad if they kept the fans informed of what is happening..it does take much just a quick note in the EP or on the web site.
And all this in the context of mail shots asking for season ticket renewals. They haven't got a clue. The best thing you could all do is withhold your season ticket money in protest and send a wake up call to GH and his fellow board members.
What you also have to remember Freddy is that any new DOR worth his salt may want other people to join him, they have to be persuaded to move and it all takes time, my only concern about the delay is that our first 2 matches are really tough and against teams with realistic chances of promotion themselves. It would be a high risk strategy if you gave the current coaches an opportunity to take control and see how they go, but I get the feeling that this might happen.
What sort of business conducts it's self through the media.
It's a strategic appointment that they know full well will
have an impact on the direction the clubs takes.
The nucleolus of a competitive squad for ND1 is there we need to get out of ND1 before you can plan too hard about GP rugby. Lets just sit tight and let the club get the right person on board.
I would guess Henry Paul's salary will be pretty high for ND1 this to me doesn't sound a signing of a club that has little ambition.
Once again, Leeds has stalled due to DOR moving on. We have got rid of 14 plus players and only brought in 2. Down to 1 proper scrum half. Not really the behaviour of a board who know where the club is going and know where we are on this mystical 5 year plan. IMHO, the board seems contain too much "dead wood" as soon as SL disappears, the whole club seems to stop. If the board knew what is was about, postive news who be continued to be drip feed out and thus potential quality recruits would get a postive impression of our club, instead of a club which seems to stagger from crisis to crisis.
I might be wrong but as a member of the 300, I have seen it all before. Lets learn from the past and lets not make the same mistakes over and over again.
Henry Paul good player that he is, is no longer at the top of his game. He is not the player he was and his salary will be much less than it used to be. As you say probably high for Nat 1 but nowhere near the kind of figures he was used to.
I would be very suprised if there are any further signings before a DOR is appointed and the longer it takes the harder things will be.
And as for conducting the clubs business in the press. I am not advocating that - just keep the loyal fans properly informed of what is going on with frequent and regular press releases. In the last few years the club have not been very good at this.
Interesting comments by Paul Ackford in todays Telegraph. He is making alternative end of season awards. His comment about leeds is quite damming really "only 2 wins so leeds get the award for failing to power up for the GP"
Well todays Rugby Times has us linked with the Aus U20 Coach Brian Melros he is a former Assitant to NSW Aussie 7's and was on the Tigers list for a Back Coach, he is supposedly top of our wish list.
There is also Matt O 'Connor assistant coach at ACT and former Aussie A coach.
another rumoured name is Dave Ellis the French Defence coach also been at Castre, Brive and been a defence consultant for the All Blacks, he is rumoured to be interested in becoming a head coach and as he is a Leeds Lad he would be ideal
All 3 seem impressive and the top 2 would explain what GH was doing in Australia a few months back
Dave Ellis' credentials are impressive - has worked with the French national side as well as Brive & Castres. Why he would want to return to Leeds when he is living in southern France is a vexing question. Still we can always live in hope.
According to Rugby Times Dave Ellis is looking to move in to a Head Coaching role, whether or not he will come is different matter but 1, we have the vaccancy Nat1 is a good place to learn nadi f he could get Leeds back into theGP and came them up then he will have a done a good job.
2.) He is a local lad (Robin Hood I believe) so he won't need to up sticks from his UK home.
3.) he will laready know the set up at Leeds and will know a a bit about GH etc.
Loffreda has just been sacked by Leicester - Even down here they're talking about John Wells Replacing him - good News travels fast it seems these days !!! (and an indication of how much they love their Rugby here !!)
I'd like Dave Ellis to become our new DOR BUT I would wouldn't I. I think as he's the French defensive Coach he could sort out our defence issues over time but he could make a difference I think anyway I belive he could be good for us as he's from Leeds too.
Some say he has a Tykes flag with team signatures on.
Others say that he's doing the same to the Carnegie flag,
All we know is that he's called Leeds carnegie signed flag.
Hmm well that looks like there won't be much chance of him comming to us then
Some say he has a Tykes flag with team signatures on.
Others say that he's doing the same to the Carnegie flag,
All we know is that he's called Leeds carnegie signed flag.
Some say he has a Tykes flag with team signatures on.
Others say that he's doing the same to the Carnegie flag,
All we know is that he's called Leeds carnegie signed flag.
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