Oh Well! Part I


The one that got away?

By Wildwillie
May 18 2011

The season just gone was an unmitigated disaster for Leeds Carnegie and its supporters. Having promised so much the players delivered very little. Instead of a step up to the next level we were treated to more of the same and some that was worse than previously. So where did it all go wrong?

Much of the problem stemmed from mistakes by coaches and players but I would argue that certain key players left the club and were not adequately replaced. Certainly one Eirik Lund, who expressed a desire to play with his Euros brother, left the club when he was at the top of his game. As well as his lineout ball Eirik had a work ethic which included tackling, carrying and “enforcing”. The Leeds pack was a formidable unit when Eirik was in the engine room. The second departure which hit us hard was that of Andy Gommarsall. Andy brought a vast amount of experience with him when he joined the club. He also brought great leadership and decision-making skills with him. Scott Mathie came on in leaps and bounds under his tutelage. We thought that Mathie would be an adequate replacement for Andy this season – wrong! The third “one that got away” was Seru Rabeni. He wanted to stay at Leeds. The club dithered about a new contract. La Rochelle stepped in with the money. Seru signed for them. Leeds offered a contract – too late. Finally Joe Ford was advised that his future lay in Northampton and a promising, goal-kicking stand-off took the  M1 south.

The second area where  things went wrong was in the signing of new players. We were told that the board were making funds available. We were told that the players who signed would be of a quality that would allow the club to kick-on and prepare for Heineken Cup rugby. We heard, from a good source, that the club had signed Charlie Hodgson. For whatever reason Hodgson did not appear. The responsibility for signing new players, we are told, was down to Andy Key. When the Hodgson deal failed to materialise it appeared that Andy had no plan B. Was he so confident that CH would sign or was it that there were no 10’s of sufficient quality who could be persuaded to come to Yorkshire? Whatever the reason we ended up with Lachlan Mackay, a quality Aussie inside centre, playing at 10 – an experiment doomed to failure.

In part II we will take an in-depth look at the quality of the players who arrived  at Headingley Carnegie last summer.

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Oh Well! Part I
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IanB58
20/05/2011 09:49
An in depth look at the quality(Sm113) of the players who came in?! Promises to be a shorter article than this one.

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Wildwillie
20/05/2011 10:17
Quote:
IanB58
An in depth look at the quality(Sm113) of the players who came in?! Promises to be a shorter article than this one.

Yep!

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merry
20/05/2011 12:18
Quote:
kim
In part II we will take an in-depth look at the quality of the players who arrived at Headingley Carnegie last summer.

(Sm22)

looking forward to that already.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011:05:20:12:19:16 by merry.

Headingley/Roundhay
LS3
20/05/2011 12:31
WW, have you been at 'my prozac', when referring to the quality players who arrived at HC last year???

(Sm105)

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Rocky's Dad
20/05/2011 12:59
I think you will find the quote was:

quality OF the players

John R
John R
20/05/2011 13:34
With a decent kicker, we would have stayed up!

Up the Carnegie TYKES !

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Wildwillie
20/05/2011 17:17
Thanks Rocky's Dad - reading is obviously not one of H/R's strong points( one of many).

(Sm124)

against the head
against the head
20/05/2011 17:34
Ceiron Thomas was a bigger disaster than Mackay this season; we would have beaten Sale in that thrilling match on the telly if his confidence hadn't been so low.And as you say, Keysie had no Plan B, ie anyone who could kick !

Headingley/Roundhay
LS3
20/05/2011 17:35
That's what comes from working for the world's largest law firm!!!

(Seriously)!!!

(Sm145)

haxbytyke
Haxbytyke
20/05/2011 18:30
Quote:
against the head
Ceiron Thomas was a bigger disaster than Mackay this season; !

I disagree about Mackay being a disaster. In my opinion he ia a very good rugby player in his correct position. I don't suppose it his fault he was asked to start at fly half, but in the centre, he looked as good as anybody in the backs.

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bunj1967
20/05/2011 18:59
I agree Haxby Fulton was a quality player when used in his best position - inside center, he had another injury prone season and never had a decent run in the team but he did look class at times.

against the head
against the head
21/05/2011 11:54
Yes i didnt phrase it very well as i also think Mackay is decent as a centre.My point is that CT was simply not up to the job.

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farmertyke
21/05/2011 16:30
But he was last year....his confidence certainly took a Knock with the positional changes.

Carnegiette1
Carnegiette1
21/05/2011 16:42
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farmertyke
But he was last year....his confidence certainly took a Knock with the positional changes.

Agreed. He was instrumental in us staying up last year. But it was clear then he was a confidence player. The management didn't do him any favours with changing his position, and persisting so long when it was obvious to all it wasn't working

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Wildwillie
22/05/2011 09:16
If Fulton stays, and there is no reason to think otherwise, we should play him at 12. LP is good enough for 10 ( if he stays). We need a scrumhalf!

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Rocky
22/05/2011 09:25
It seems that management and the captain had an effect in his confidence. As Mathie said I. The YEP there seems to be more finger pointing and blame in the camp this season. Adversity made us weaker this season, last year it made us stronger. There definitely seemed to be a them and us between forwards and backs, hopefully that will be irradiated over the summer.

MIC
MIC
22/05/2011 11:26
I think your right there Rocky. From what i gather, there was no back line coach, and while the forwards were getting NB attention, with MW the focal point, the backs did their own thing, without any real direction.

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Loosehead
22/05/2011 12:12
Is Fury not here? any news on AJ

MIC
MIC
22/05/2011 13:50
Warren Fury had a one year contract, but perhaps he may be offered another, but the lad had a cruciate ligament op plus a shoulder op, so the poor man has had a lot to get over, which i'm sure he will.

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SideStep
23/05/2011 12:28
As far as CT goes he wasnt helped by Marco Wentzel slagging him off

The first Leeds Tykes child mascot...#leedswasps0203season. #cheersbentos

DanFW3
DanFW3
24/05/2011 22:45
Any ideas on who the next manager might be?

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Rocky
25/05/2011 00:18
I hear that Martin O'Neill is free.....

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