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By WPL
April 24 2020

Has there ever been an April quieter on rugby rumours??? Anyone else would think that there is another major thing going on…

Of course the above statement is said with tongue firmly planted in my cheek, I fully appreciate the seriousness of the situation we are in and I’m going to be honest I wouldn’t be surprised for Rugby not to be back until much later in the year. However, as I’ve said before, this is a rugby site and there is no reason for rugby not to be discussed.

There is news coming out, people starting to talk about the model below the premiership for finances, there was a good article in the Guardian (link) around Richmond, yes there was a dig at the RFU over ourselves, but for me that’s water under the bridge, if we are around in the future then I think we will look a different club, what it does talk about is about how the players being paid will change below the premiership

Also buried in the article is a comment that we are leaving Headingley, how much truth is in that who knows, but for a bit of fun and maybe to prompt discussion, I thought I would list and talk about the places I’ve heard us moving to – based on nothing other than social media gossip – therefore they must be true because Dave at the chippy, heard someone in the pub that knows Phil Davies Dog Walker say so…

So where could we go…

  • Headingley – of course this maybe an option to stay where we are, fantastic stadium, could attract players for the facilities, but let’s be honest 2-300 of us do rattle in the stadium, there is the cost of opening it up etc. But it’s out home and we are familiar with it.
  • West Park Leeds – Was the 3 cup games last year a dry run for a move there? There is links to Headingley/Roundhay/Leeds clubs of old with the honours boards. It’s a great set up for the clubhouse and has a small stand. The beer and food are good and has a proper rugby club feel. That said being a mini rugby coach up there when the wind/rain/sleet/snow comes in, it’s bitterly cold with little shelter. There are a couple of buses that run from town / through Headingley that drop you off virtually outside and there is reasonable parking if the crowds are in the hundreds, thousands maybe a problem though. I know people have said there is a clause saying no professional sport there…well I don’t think this can hold as we are now semi-pro at best and we’ve played their already!
  • Kirkstall – we train there so therefore a possibility, there is a decent pub nearby (Kirkstall bridge), it’s the home of Headingley, could be a reasonable shout. Decent public transport links. However, it’s next to 2 retail parks that struggle with traffic at the best of times, I’m not sure what the pitch situation is like since the floods of a few years ago, could spectators be kept back the require distance etc?
  • Leeds Beckett University – For me personally, if it’s the Headingley campus it’s about a 10 minute walk away. Renowned as a sports university and based on Phil’s comments (link to rugby pass – thanks for the info Leeming) on a lot of our players being at Uni and LBU having a very good team I would suspect they are here. If so it could be like a home game for them. If you can get to Headingley, then you can get to here, decent parking on campus for the numbers we would need, plentiful buses running up Otley Road, fair walk from train stations mind. Added benefit you can go and sample some Otley Run delights at the start point of Woodies down the road.
  • Leeds University Weetwood – let’s not forget we have 2 universities in Leeds, Leeds Uni has Weetwood sports ground up by Weetwood hall. A bit further out of town than Becketts, but still reasonable and possibly decent parking there (subject to low attendance numbers). Not much around it other than the stables pub, though possibly within walking distance you have a couple of restaurants / cafes on west park and arguably Fishermans wife fish and chips, Woodies and the Village Hotel.
  • John Charles Sports Stadium – I’ve seen it mentioned, a move across town, it’s an established sports ground that hosts Hunslet Hawks. I have to admit, unless we are allowed to watch from the running track, I don’t fancy being in the stand to watch a game. Decent parking by the looks of it and should have the bar / food facilities there. For a lot of people maybe easier to get to than Headingley.
  • Otley Rugby – maybe slightly controversial, but if Otley are moving to a new ground, I have no idea how this is progressing then maybe sitting in a tenant may help, though what the costs would be I have no idea.
  • Stanningley Rugby League – may not be a bad shout, set up as a rugby ground, not a million miles from where we are currently and let’s be honest, we already share / tenants of a rugby league ground. I wonder if location may put a few people off, but it will be difficult to tell given the other changes or relegation etc.
  • Local Football Ground – whilst I’ve not seen this mentioned anywhere, given some of the other suggestions it maybe an option, additional funds for clubs that will be struggling given what’s going on may make them more open to sharing with us. Facilities will be there, though there could be concerns around player facilities, for example are the changing rooms big enough to have 23 very large people + support staff. I know Sale were struggling with this when they played at Stockport’s Ground.

Of course there maybe others that I have missed and can I just say the above are meant for fun, please don’t take the hump if you think any of it’s unreasonable or arrogant (it was certainly not meant that way and any of the above may turn round and say no!), the objective was to prompt discussion. If I’ve missed anywhere, please feel free to comment below.

Maybe we just need to get Kirstie and Phil in….

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opuscoitus
25/04/2020 09:47
Good piece WPL, I'd take dog s##t park up at Wibsey RUFC (ah the memories) at the minute for a rugby fix,

As we witnessed behind sticks last home game we were indeed watched by one man and a dog,
Proof is attached

Love the fact it's called "groundspug" and "chief pidgeon scarer"

[www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk]

Yorki
Yorki
25/04/2020 11:36
I would suggest that the new 7000 seated stadium at York could be attractive option it is modern new stadium with excellent facilities bars, restaurants, parking and good transport links in to the centre of York and may attract away supporters by having day/weekend out in York.

I suspect we will end up going on the road again knowing Mr Hetherington it is cheapest option do a grand tour of Yorkshire. Ops sorry I should not mention Yorkshire.

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leemingtyke
25/04/2020 11:48
No worries WPL,

My moneys on Weetwood now by the way.

Think the York community stadium would've been a good option whilst we were Yorkshire, but not now we're Leeds again.

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almostatyke
25/04/2020 13:10
Weetwood would be nice for me as I live only a mile away. The pitch looks good and it has been used by England for training, so if its good enough for England, then......
From what Phil has said, "Leeds" and "University" were key words and Weetwood ticks both of those boxes.

In all honesty I would take any pitch, as opus above; any port in a storm.

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Wildwillie
25/04/2020 13:57
An interesting article. Has the departure from Headingley been corroborated by any other source?
Weetwood would suit me as I live northwest of Leeds but would be happy to watch the Tykes anywhere in the city.

(Sm134)



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leemingtyke
25/04/2020 15:39
Not seen the Headingley departure confirmed anywhere officially yet. So still rumour and conjecture at this stage.

Think Phil said in one of his recent interviews that there were just so many unknowns at the moment, so it probably makes it difficult to announce future plans with any degree of certainty.

leeds exile
leeds exile
25/04/2020 16:55
If they play anywhere other than Headingley then they must increase the toilet facilities considerably. As an old codger this would be a deciding factor in whether I attend.

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Beeston Lion
25/04/2020 18:43
Training and playing in front of spectators are considerably different propositions. However moderate, you need facilities for the punters and some of the listed alternatives are distinctly lacking.

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almostatyke
25/04/2020 20:11
OK BL, I will send a message to the club that you need your own personal portaloo. Perhaps you could share with Leeds Exile? LOL (Sm100)smiling smiley

But seriously a good point. If the club get their act together and we get a competitive Nat 1 squad (I know this is against the run of play) then we see perhaps 1000 punters?

RothwellTyke
RothwellTyke
26/04/2020 08:10
Great piece again. Like others happy to watch Leeds where ever they are playing. The pitches at Weetwood or West Leeds look good to me although John Charles is nearer to my end of town

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Albert Fishwick
26/04/2020 09:15
I have no idea what the money men are thinking but I suspect they will still wish, given that they are under-writing the operation, to have a decent meal and a few jars before the game. There are also visiting alickadoos to entertain. I can't see that many of the alternatives cited can offer this. West Park could but I'm still not sure we would be allowed to be based there, never mind that it's already pretty busy. For this season I still think they are most likely to take a deep breath and put their hands in their pockets for Headingley. If we aren't promoted at the first attempt then it could be back to thank you and good night.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

leeds_shark
WPL
26/04/2020 10:34
I think at the moment there is a lot of huge unknowns - I wrote this before the salary cap cutting was discussed for National 1 so who knows - given the challenges of staff being furloughed at headingley and the challenges this will bring for any board meetings, who knows what if any budget we have, who knows when the season may actually start, we are probably holding off confirming anything until we know when this might happen

I like headingley as a stadium, but to be honest it was a bit embarrassing last year with the numbers (it will be interesting to see what Darlington is like this year in a similar situation).

If we are to move (Iíve no idea of course, the above was written in response to a line in an article and despite my robust sources as listed itís a work of fiction) I just hope itís to one place we can call home - touring round will not work.

My preference in no particular order is headingley, weetwood, becketts Park and West Park - for no other reason than I live in weetwood/west park area so all east for me to walk to/get the bus to.

If anyone wants to see the links we have to west park though - have a look at their Facebook/twitter page, the mini/juniors/ladies did a Ďpass it oní video with some familiar faces...

Tyko
Tyko
27/04/2020 12:38
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almostatyke
Weetwood would be nice for me as I live only a mile away. The pitch looks good and it has been used by England for training, so if its good enough for England, then......
From what Phil has said, "Leeds" and "University" were key words and Weetwood ticks both of those boxes.

In all honesty I would take any pitch, as opus above; any port in a storm.

I think Phil was referring to Beckett rather than the University of Leeds. They have by far the better team and set up, playing in the BUCS Super Rugby league, which is of quite a high standard. But the pitch is relatively remote from any catering/bar facilities on the campus, with little or no scope to provide anything nearby. For me West Park is the best and most viable option, with matches probably played on Friday nights to avoid clashing with the normal weekend activity there.
And they do owe us one as their wonderful set up was largely financed from the sale of Chandos!

leeds_shark
WPL
27/04/2020 16:56
Quote:
Tyko

I think Phil was referring to Beckett rather than the University of Leeds. They have by far the better team and set up, playing in the BUCS Super Rugby league, which is of quite a high standard. But the pitch is relatively remote from any catering/bar facilities on the campus, with little or no scope to provide anything nearby. For me West Park is the best and most viable option, with matches probably played on Friday nights to avoid clashing with the normal weekend activity there.
And they do owe us one as their wonderful set up was largely financed from the sale of Chandos!

They have just built/process of building a new sports center, this looks only a short walk from their main rugby pitch - let's not forget Ampthill is a walk through a forest and also London Welsh at Old Deer Park was not exactly next door to the pitch. Interestingly they have also applied for a new drinks license for longer hours (2+2=??)

To be honest, if they did move their any pre-match drinks would be taken in woodies and leave there with just before kick-off...or not if I have the little-uns in tow as more would be the case.

Would West Park floodlights be sufficient quality for a night game? I know they wouldn't have to be broadcast quality but are they more suitable for evening training that playing an actual game?

leeds_shark
WPL
27/04/2020 17:11
Quote:
opuscoitus
Good piece WPL, I'd take dog s##t park up at Wibsey RUFC (ah the memories) at the minute for a rugby fix,
As we witnessed behind sticks last home game we were indeed watched by one man and a dog,
Proof is attached

Love the fact it's called "groundspug" and "chief pidgeon scarer"

[www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk]

As yes the peak of gallows humour that day for the Ultra's. I agree with you there I am looking forward to watching us play rugby again - anywhere!

leeds exile
leeds exile
28/04/2020 09:41
Any ground other than Headingley, would have to be completely enclosed if it is intended to charge admission. That is definitely not the case at Weetwood where anyone can wander around freely. What is the situation with the other proposed sites?

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Albert Fishwick
28/04/2020 12:31
Perhaps they will go completely old school and just go round with a bucket!

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

Bobba
Bobba
28/04/2020 15:14
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leeds exile
Any ground other than Headingley, would have to be completely enclosed if it is intended to charge admission. That is definitely not the case at Weetwood where anyone can wander around freely. What is the situation with the other proposed sites?

There are dozens of enclosed rugby grounds in the Leeds area. Otley, Bingley, Ilkley, smaller clubs within the Leeds boundary,like Bramley, even going further afield to Keighley, and even further afield to Skipton which would suite some supporters. My preference would be Otley.

leeds exile
leeds exile
04/05/2020 14:44
[www.pitchero.com]

You can cross Otley off the list of possible grounds to play at as they have announced their own groundshare.

Billy ba
Billy ba
04/05/2020 15:15
No point in calling yourselves Leeds and then playing in Otley anyway

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Wildwillie
04/05/2020 17:26
Good point BB

(Sm134)

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Albert Fishwick
04/05/2020 20:01
Well Otley is within the Leeds metropolitan boundary, but I take your point.

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

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almostatyke
04/05/2020 21:06
Quote:
Wildwillie
Good point BB
(Sm134)

No he is actually PP

Bobba
Bobba
05/05/2020 12:36
Quote:
leeds exile
https://www.pitchero.com/clubs/otley/news/statement-from-otley-rufc-2533247.html
You can cross Otley off the list of possible grounds to play at as they have announced their own groundshare.

Great move for the Old Grovians. Nice to see a "young" Club with ambitions even if it means moving from a BD10 postcode to a Leeds postcode!

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Wildwillie
05/05/2020 15:19
So Otley (same size as Ilkley & Skipton) now has 3 rugby clubs?

(Sm124)

daveyjp
daveyjp
22/05/2020 08:42
Quote:
leeds exile
Any ground other than Headingley, would have to be completely enclosed if it is intended to charge admission. That is definitely not the case at Weetwood where anyone can wander around freely. What is the situation with the other proposed sites?

Weetwood already host games where admission is charged, but the stand is small and the bar facilities are inadequate. It is also used heavily for other sports at weekends, especially hockey which puts pressure on the facilities.



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almostatyke
22/05/2020 09:39
Rugby is going to be one of the last sports to get back to anything like normal. Initially there is going to be a requirement for spacious, separate changing rooms (i.e. no sharing of toilet/shower facilities between teams, refereeing squad or with spectators).

IMHO Headingley is much more likely to achieve these requirements than any of the other options..........

Bobba
Bobba
22/05/2020 15:51
I seem to recall that we are no longer a professional team. That being the case, do we really need posh roomy changing rooms, showers and a powder room? Surely. like most amateur sports persons turning up and changing in the car or at the side of the pitch, would suffice until such time as circumstances revert to "normal"?

Camquin
Camquin
22/05/2020 16:26
You might not be fully pro- but you are not a village side yet.

The NCA does have minimum standards. You have to provide away changing rooms. You also have to have a space for the ref and for drugs testing. So you probably want to provide home ones.

You have to have a reasonable sized grass or 3G pitch surrounded by barriers. There is no requirement for floodlights. So many games kick off at 2pm in mid-winter to ensure they finish in the light.

You have to feed the visiting alicadoos before the match and the visiting players and support staff afterwards.

But aside from that you get to choose where you play. and choose the facilities to fit your budget.

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almostatyke
22/05/2020 19:15
My comments were purely relating to the temporary conditions of when rugby resumes after the virus interruption. Apologies for not making that clearer.

Rawdon ranter
Rawdon ranter
28/05/2020 14:22
Todayís issue of the Airedale & Wharfedale Observer headlines Otley Rugby Club are crowdfunding to ensure their survival. Not the sort of news to precede their intended new set up on Pool Road. I surmise that they urgently need to progress the sale of Cross Green to McCarthy and Stone.

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almostatyke
28/05/2020 20:52
Good luck to Otley, they are not the only ones in trouble for sure.

Having spent my working life in construction and dealing with developers/clients, I imagine that they are going to have some hard re-negotiating to do.
Currently house-builders are only offering 85% payment to subcontractors, despite competitively-tendered agreed prices, on the basis that there is not going to be much work about.
They will be equally robust with purchasing deals.

Not an industry for the faint-hearted!

Feeding
Feeding
29/05/2020 08:05
My understanding is that they have 'sold' Cross Green to McCarthys - not sure whether it is conditional - their problem is that there is no sign of their new ground. They cant even start until the bypass is completed. Could be another Harrogate,sell an existing ground but forget to purchase a new one !

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Wildwillie
30/05/2020 19:08
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Feeding
My understanding is that they have 'sold' Cross Green to McCarthys - not sure whether it is conditional - their problem is that there is no sign of their new ground. They cant even start until the bypass is completed. Could be another Harrogate,sell an existing ground but forget to purchase a new one !

What bypass? (Sm124)

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Albert Fishwick
31/05/2020 07:30
This one

If I had all the money I've spent on drink ..... I'd spend it on drink.

Feeding
Feeding
31/05/2020 07:34
WW - it's all a little cloudy but it goes something like this.

McCarthy and Stone have 'bought' Cross Green Subject to Planning.I suspect they have Outline Planning but not Detailed.. Indeed they are still negociating the number of units they can build. However,they claim to have bought an interest,which may be little more than an Option.

Otley seem to be leaving Cross Green as they have plans to spend a year - at least - at West Park.Their intention is to relocate near to the current Otliensians ground and garden centre.This itself is dependant on Highways constructing the Otley bypass,in order to offer improved access to the new ground.

This bypass is already delayed and I dont know the cur
rent funding situation in present circumstances.Therefore there must at least be a possibility that Otley could do a Harrogate.I assume everything is with the lawyers and planners.Maybe someone from Otley would care to clarify the current position.

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Wildwillie
31/05/2020 07:51
Thanks gents. This news appears to have passed me by!

(Sm124)

Bobba
Bobba
02/06/2020 20:17
Perhaps the Old Grovians should consider cancelling their move to Otley and inviting Otley to their ground in Apperley Bridge?

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Wildwillie
05/06/2020 16:12
Quote:
Bobba
Perhaps the Old Grovians should consider cancelling their move to Otley and inviting Otley to their ground in Apperley Bridge?

Whereabouts is it in Apperley Bridge?

Bobba
Bobba
06/06/2020 14:15
Just down the hill from me! From A Bridge rail station turn rt onto Harrogate Road then first right as if heading for the swing bride over the canal and its on the right.(Sm13)

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