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Wasps Vs Warriors - Match Tracker
By JP
May 11 2021
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Wasps vs Worcester Warriors Saturday 15th May 2021 |
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Referee - Ian Tempest. |
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The Teams |
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| Atkinson | 15 | Shillcock | |||
| .Kibirige | 14 | Doel | |||
| Odogwu. | 13 | Beck | |||
| Fetkitoa | 12 | Venter | |||
| Bassett. | 11 | Humphreys | |||
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| Umaga. | 10 | Searle | |||
| .Robson | 09 | Hougaard | |||
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| West. | 01 | Waller | |||
| Ogre. | 02 | Annett | |||
| Alo. | 03 | Palframan | |||
| Rowlands. | 04 | Clegg | |||
| Gaskell. | 05 | Kitchener A | |||
| Morris. | 06 | Hill | |||
| Young. | 07 | Lewis | |||
| Shields. | 08 | Kvesic | |||
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The Finishers Replacements | 16 Isaac Miller, 17 Marc Thomas, 18 Scott Andrews, 19 Anton Bresler, 20 Joe Batley, 21 Gareth Simpson, 22 Ollie Lawrence, 23 Ed Fidow. |
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| Unavailable | Conor Carey, Beck Cutting, Matt Cox, Nick David, Kyle Hatherell, Marco Mama, George Merrick, Oli Morris, Matt Moulds, Melani Nanai, Nick Schonert, Fin Smith. | |||||
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Discussion started by Comeonyouwarriors.co.uk (IP Logged), 12/05/2021 08:31
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Come about 6 weeks, the ricoh will be no more and named Coventry building society arena, with Coventry City football club also returning on rental, both at the successful design of the wasps owner.
Looks like we have Ian Tempest as Sir for Saturday
Rest of the officials are updated above
JP
Rest of the officials are updated above
JP
Warriors | 15 Jamie Shillcock, 14 Perry Humphreys, 13 Francois Venter, 12 Ashley Beck, 11 Harri Doel, 10 Billy Searle, 9 Francois Hougaard, 1 Ethan Waller, 2 Niall Annett, 3 Richard Palframan, 4 Andrew Kitchener, 5 Justin Clegg, 6 Ted Hill (C), 7 Sam Lewis, 8 Matt Kvesic.
Replacements | 16 Isaac Miller, 17 Marc Thomas, 18 Scott Andrews, 19 Anton Bresler, 20 Joe Batley, 21 Gareth Simpson, 22 Ollie Lawrence, 23 Ed Fidow.
Replacements | 16 Isaac Miller, 17 Marc Thomas, 18 Scott Andrews, 19 Anton Bresler, 20 Joe Batley, 21 Gareth Simpson, 22 Ollie Lawrence, 23 Ed Fidow.
I’d expect that backline will bear absolutely no resemblance to our first choice backline next season. Unfortunately I think that’s a pretty weak side and it’ll take a big upset for us to win.
I like that team, not necessarily for the big upset but for the experience that the young guns will get and maybe a few are on fighting for a contract next season?
JP
JP
Quote:I know you have every right to your own opinion but that is exactly the sort of comment that has caused several people to desert this forum. This will be my final visit too.Threepear
What a sorry looking line up.
Sad to see you go TRIXTA but to put the record straight not many have left at all.
Last month we had over 10,000 visitors and over 250,000 visits
That's because it is lively and full of good and bad stuff to get the blood flowing.
Long may peoples views be heard.
JP
Last month we had over 10,000 visitors and over 250,000 visits
That's because it is lively and full of good and bad stuff to get the blood flowing.
Long may peoples views be heard.
JP
Quote:TRIXTAQuote:I know you have every right to your own opinion but that is exactly the sort of comment that has caused several people to desert this forum. This will be my final visit too.Threepear
What a sorry looking line up.
What a bizarre straw to break the camels back.
I think the team deserves a 2nd look, and bearing in mind unavailables. Think our three quarters can hold Wasps off for 60, and interested to see Lawrence and Fidow come on and tear them apart in a try fest.
Really hope Hougaard uses this game as a selection-marker for next season, and runs rings round Dan Robson
May get to see Sione Vailanu off the bench
Looking forward to the game
Really hope Hougaard uses this game as a selection-marker for next season, and runs rings round Dan Robson
May get to see Sione Vailanu off the bench
Looking forward to the game
Odogwu v Ollie would have been a good matchup for EJ.
Personally I like Ashleigh at 12 and FV at 13.
I think Palf will be fine next to NA and Ethan. Although Ethan will have his hands full with Biyi.
Personally I like Ashleigh at 12 and FV at 13.
I think Palf will be fine next to NA and Ethan. Although Ethan will have his hands full with Biyi.
Quote:TRIXTAQuote:I know you have every right to your own opinion but that is exactly the sort of comment that has caused several people to desert this forum. This will be my final visit too.Threepear
What a sorry looking line up.
Wow! Here was me thinking this forum was all about people having a vehicle to express their views. HaveI missed something?
Quote:Malvern Man
Was Threepear perhaps referring to the Wasp line-up?
Wasp in peace (not optimism)
Ha Malvern man! We can usually field a fairly decent backline but whether it scores any tries or not is another thing. Or actually defend!
Don’t worry people, just make sure you get a couple of players sent off, and leave it until the 78th minute to take the lead and you’ll be fine.
Our fragility at the moment is beyond belief. And it shouldn’t be too long a journey home for you! Looking forward to seeing Hougaard against us. Vailanu has been rather disappointing imho.
May the best team win.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021:05:14:20:27:51 by Buzzer.
2nd row and 10 a big concern for me, relatively happy with the rest of the picks.
I struggle to understand why Bresler doesn't start when available.
I would prefer Shilly at 10 and CP at 15.
I struggle to understand why Bresler doesn't start when available.
I would prefer Shilly at 10 and CP at 15.
Quote:Gerald Wiley
2nd row and 10 a big concern for me, relatively happy with the rest of the picks.
I struggle to understand why Bresler doesn't start when available.
I would prefer Shilly at 10 and CP at 15.
It’s probably because the more games clegg and Kitchener play the better they will be Both were stand out junior internationals who for one reason or another have taken 2 years too long to break through. Bresler will most likely be done after this contract. It’s right that clegg in particular gets more game time, he was rated higher that a lot of his contemporaries who are now getting international squad recognition. We keep saying we need more quality second rows but we have 4 junior international second rows at under 20’s in batley , clegg , Akitchener and Scott. It’s the only way we’ll progress is to let them get to grips with senior rugby in a season that means little.
Quote:Bigmac1979Quote:Gerald Wiley
2nd row and 10 a big concern for me, relatively happy with the rest of the picks.
I struggle to understand why Bresler doesn't start when available.
I would prefer Shilly at 10 and CP at 15.
It’s probably because the more games clegg and Kitchener play the better they will be Both were stand out junior internationals who for one reason or another have taken 2 years too long to break through. Bresler will most likely be done after this contract. It’s right that clegg in particular gets more game time, he was rated higher that a lot of his contemporaries who are now getting international squad recognition. We keep saying we need more quality second rows but we have 4 junior international second rows at under 20’s in batley , clegg , Akitchener and Scott. It’s the only way we’ll progress is to let them get to grips with senior rugby in a season that means little.
Understand and agree with that - just want us to win a game or at least give ourselves the best chance for a change.
Reckon a win off the bench would be of far more benefit to the youngsters development and give the fans a boost
Watching the Sale game tonight the sheer fight and effort from Sale was very noticeable and a world away from what we see at Worcester. Then BT showed the league table and how shocking our points difference looks.
I’m not confident for this weekend and where my heart hopes we put on a decent show my head fears we’ll play badly for at least half the match and get pumped.
I guess the upside is there’ll be one less game of this dismal season to go.
I’m not confident for this weekend and where my heart hopes we put on a decent show my head fears we’ll play badly for at least half the match and get pumped.
I guess the upside is there’ll be one less game of this dismal season to go.
Yes, great game tonight, just finished. Well done Sale.
Lovely post from Buzzer, in the best traditions of rugby supporters. Thanks, and I'm looking forward to the game tomorrow.
Lovely post from Buzzer, in the best traditions of rugby supporters. Thanks, and I'm looking forward to the game tomorrow.
We could do it you know.
Every so often we pull one out of nowhere and Wasps’ form has not been good.
Come on!!!
JP
Every so often we pull one out of nowhere and Wasps’ form has not been good.
Come on!!!
JP
Having seen 3 strong counter rucks I think AJ was right with the less competing over the ball and more driving in the rucks. Much better in that aspect. Just need the game to settle a little. Mauls a little better too
Quote:On the other side the scrummaging is poor.Bigmac1979
Having seen 3 strong counter rucks I think AJ was right with the less competing over the ball and more driving in the rucks. Much better in that aspect. Just need the game to settle a little. Mauls a little better too
I'm fairly sure it's 2 and not 3, but I've never seen a side given a team warning for not rolling away twice in the space of two minutes. Another example of subconcious bias when officiating Worcester? If it was 3, happy to retract this.
Irish fan here. Poor Richard Palframan has been plagued by injuries. Thought his career was finished when he left us after a terrible knee injury. Looked like a wrist injury today. Hope it's not serious.
Quote:One on the right of pitch after a ted tackle one after dole tackle and one on our line. Refs on wrong side of scrum too allo is going early every set and Waller isn’t getting a bindTrueWarrior
I'm fairly sure it's 2 and not 3, but I've never seen a side given a team warning for not rolling away twice in the space of two minutes. Another example of subconcious bias when officiating Worcester? If it was 3, happy to retract this.
Really good kicking from Searle in open play but not sure why Shillcock ran out of his 22 to kick straight down the middle leaving an easy straight to touch finder from Umaga? Should have stayed in 22 and gone for touch or at least kept it close, he had so much time and Wasps showed how it should have been done.
Being out refereed! Clear knock on, a neck roll on Kev and countless poor decisions.
But a huge defensive effort so far!
But a huge defensive effort so far!
Quote:Bigmac1979Quote:One on the right of pitch after a ted tackle one after dole tackle and one on our line. Refs on wrong side of scrum too allo is going early every set and Waller isn’t getting a bindTrueWarrior
I'm fairly sure it's 2 and not 3, but I've never seen a side given a team warning for not rolling away twice in the space of two minutes. Another example of subconcious bias when officiating Worcester? If it was 3, happy to retract this.
Stand corrected then as it was 3.
Quote:Janner Dave
Being out refereed! Clear knock on, a neck roll on Kev and countless poor decisions.
But a huge defensive effort so far!
That neck role was very similar to the one that Ross Batty was sent off for in the game when Bath went down to 11.
Quote:I saw that, shields I think, there’s been a couple dubious onesTrueWarriorQuote:Janner Dave
Being out refereed! Clear knock on, a neck roll on Kev and countless poor decisions.
But a huge defensive effort so far!
That neck role was very similar to the one that Ross Batty was sent off for in the game when Bath went down to 11.
Two games in a row we have given away a free kick in the scrum on the stroke of half time - where a try scored could have got us right back in the game. I sincerely hope we have some new props coming in over the off-season.
Really tough watch that, offered nothing bar some decent defence on our line.
As we tire I can see wasps easily putting 50 on us, have to improve second half..
Our props getting mullered means realistically we haven’t got a chance.
As we tire I can see wasps easily putting 50 on us, have to improve second half..
Our props getting mullered means realistically we haven’t got a chance.
Tempest is killing us, and the game. To whistle happy and does not take the conditions into account. We really do need a competitive front row.
Quote:fozzie66
Too many soft penalties. New tight head looks like he’s getting stuffed.
New tight head is getting stuffed along with new loose head! Can’t win here without a platform. Wasps will want to scrum all second half.
We need to stop kicking. It will be tough for our player to take but they clearly have the better of us there. A bit of pressure on robson would be great. They have a really aggressive defence when we do have the ball so I would be looking for a leading run and the pass out the back. We look like we are on the training field and this is a bit of an exhibition match.
With even some parity at the scrum we would be in this game. As above my three things would be stop kicking, play our way in to the game with ball in hand and sort the scrum. That and just standing a bit closer and not throwing 15 yard passes would be great 👍🏻
With even some parity at the scrum we would be in this game. As above my three things would be stop kicking, play our way in to the game with ball in hand and sort the scrum. That and just standing a bit closer and not throwing 15 yard passes would be great 👍🏻
Quote:Only on loan, this is the issue all season. When Schonerts not fit we don’t compete let alone get a platform. Having seek Kai Owen play in the cavs league against saints last year can see why he’s not getting a bench at loosehead. And at least judge and owlett are better than the tightheads we have. If we had judge today we’d be in a far better position.fozzie66Quote:fozzie66
Too many soft penalties. New tight head looks like he’s getting stuffed.
New tight head is getting stuffed along with new loose head! Can’t win here without a platform. Wasps will want to scrum all second half.
Think the back row are going well and between them have caused 🐝 real problems at the break down. We just don’t have any heavy ball carries to keep 🐝 on the back foot.
Being diplomatic I hope Scott Andrews has a better game next time....
Not straight Niall but ref had missed a few from Pests.
Why do we fall apart when the opposition goes down to 14?
Not straight Niall but ref had missed a few from Pests.
Why do we fall apart when the opposition goes down to 14?
Poor props = pressure = penalties = loss 4 weak links in the front row and replacements means we lose yet again.
Quote:Can’t do anything about losing by 20 but again we’re losing a game we should win. All stems from the scrummage.Bigmac1979
Poor props = pressure = penalties = loss 4 weak links in the front row and replacements means we lose yet again.
Is that Toomaga-Allen with his stupid howling noises again?
Threw the game away when we were 19-16 up.
Threw the game away when we were 19-16 up.
Got ahead in the game and had no idea what to do with ourselves
Conceded vs 14 men and didn’t score a point as soon as they got the red.
We look clueless and completely out our depth at this level.
Conceded vs 14 men and didn’t score a point as soon as they got the red.
We look clueless and completely out our depth at this level.
Boils down to the scrum and leadership. How does Simpson not know who that pass is going to at the end. As a young player, it should be spoon fed to him who he is passing the ball to. A(nother) game that has got away from. Win was easily there.
Please get these props in, as none are good enough, there’s no one special in the front row for wasps. We did everything else well, all the pressure was self induced from getting pinned in from poor scrums and penalties.
Quote:TrueWarrior
Boils down to the scrum and leadership. How does Simpson not know who that pass is going to at the end. As a young player, it should be spoon fed to him who he is passing the ball to. A(nother) game that has got away from. Win was easily there.
He did - it was always going to Fidow. Venter was completely in the way and I think Venter had a very good game FWIW, but that was absolutely shocking.
Much improved performance but another one that got away.Not taking our chances.
Wasps were awful but just shaded it.Set piece the difference but Taylor's lineout for his try was not straight imho.
Robson being anonymous the 2nd half was down to our excellent play @ the start of the 2nd half.
Still waiting on news for new props....
Wasps were awful but just shaded it.Set piece the difference but Taylor's lineout for his try was not straight imho.
Robson being anonymous the 2nd half was down to our excellent play @ the start of the 2nd half.
Still waiting on news for new props....
Quote:Trent_Blue
We look clueless and completely out our depth at this level.
I disagree, the set piece allowed Wasps to stay in the game and gave them field position. Every time we got into their half they kicked us back to our 5m line.
If we didn’t already know it we are in massive trouble up front next year. The longer we wait for a NS replacement announcement the more I’m thinking we’ve let him go without having someone lined up, and today clearly shows without him our scrum is going to get absolutely hammered. And you cannot win games with a scrum like that, even when the opposition plays 25 mins a man down.
Pleasantly surprised by the fine margins there. A couple of decent props and we would have but another couple of tries past them. If anything illustrates the importance of investing in the front row, it was that game.
Quote:You've hit the nail on the head there TP.Threepear
Pleasantly surprised by the fine margins there. A couple of decent props and we would have but another couple of tries past them. If anything illustrates the importance of investing in the front row, it was that game.
Considering we got absolutely hammered in the scrum.Unbelievably one sided, that was a really brilliant effort.Shame we didn’t get the win, but the lads gave their all..
That last 20 minutes was pathetic really. Playing against 14 for the last quarter with a lead? Most half decent sides would see that through no problem. You’ve got to go for the jugular in those circumstances but we got timid and the usual errors crept in. All I saw was anxiety from our lads and a complete lack of game management. The scrum obviously didn’t help but the two pens (the first was very fortunate) got us into position to win it at the end. But the attempt was utterly flaccid. Embarrassing really. And utterly typical, of course.
I’ve been trying to ignore our games recently as all Warriors do is ruin my weekends and put me in a foul mood. First time in 15 years I’ve resorted to trying not to care. But when I saw the score I could’ve help but turn on.
How stupid of me to think it would be any different.
I admit this is a bit of an emotional rant but I’m just completely done with this rubbish. This is by far the worst that Warriors have ever been in the Premiership. There is no sign of progress and I genuinely feel that the current set up simply doesn’t deserve anyone’s support. Dreadful. Im not going to bother in future.
See you next week then.
I’ve been trying to ignore our games recently as all Warriors do is ruin my weekends and put me in a foul mood. First time in 15 years I’ve resorted to trying not to care. But when I saw the score I could’ve help but turn on.
How stupid of me to think it would be any different.
I admit this is a bit of an emotional rant but I’m just completely done with this rubbish. This is by far the worst that Warriors have ever been in the Premiership. There is no sign of progress and I genuinely feel that the current set up simply doesn’t deserve anyone’s support. Dreadful. Im not going to bother in future.
See you next week then.
Yep, bang on Mailman. Two front rows would have probably helped us get a win but it’s all ifs and buts. The tactics first half were dreadful and our kicking game really bad. Even with a weak scrum, we should've been able to see the game out vs 14 men. And the last attack was an absolute shambles. Speechless at how bad we have become.
So if Venter hadn’t got in the way and Fidow hadn’t dropped the ball and if he’d scored and if it had been converted then my superbru prediction would have been spot on. Oh well, there’s another game next week
Quote:WorcesterSauce
Yep, bang on Mailman. Two front rows would have probably helped us get a win but it’s all ifs and buts. The tactics first half were dreadful and our kicking game really bad. Even with a weak scrum, we should've been able to see the game out vs 14 men. And the last attack was an absolute shambles. Speechless at how bad we have become.
Call me a jaded cynic but, as I’ve just said on another thread, if it wasn’t the props this week then it would’ve been something else. It’s always something. Every week it’s different. But the result is always the same.
Others are welcome to take the positives - and I admire the ability to do that - but that’s not me. I can’t do it anymore.
Quote:Worrier
Scrum, scrum, scrum
don't worry we've got dvdm, nanai, ashton next year ... oh
If Ethans HIA/injury finishes his season, with our current front row options that’s unfortunately it for any chances of getting close to a win. All our remaining opponents will just Scrmmage us down to yellow cards and the inevitable. Owlet and Judge are bench fodder in reality so don’t expect it to improve unless the propping cupboard gets restocked with some actual quality. And quality that actually plays 70+% of the league games next season as a minimum. Some things in rugby never really change and a dominant aggressive scrum is and has always been somewhere near the top of that list.
Quote:The MailmanQuote:WorcesterSauce
Yep, bang on Mailman. Two front rows would have probably helped us get a win but it’s all ifs and buts. The tactics first half were dreadful and our kicking game really bad. Even with a weak scrum, we should've been able to see the game out vs 14 men. And the last attack was an absolute shambles. Speechless at how bad we have become.
Call me a jaded cynic but, as I’ve just said on another thread, if it wasn’t the props this week then it would’ve been something else. It’s always something. Every week it’s different. But the result is always the same.
Others are welcome to take the positives - and I admire the ability to do that - but that’s not me. I can’t do it anymore.
100% bang on. Every week it’s something else. Next game vs Leicester it will be maul defence..
Congratulations for the performance in the 2nd half. Commiserations for the loss. We should have had it in the bag by half time, but you made us Wasps have a very squeaky 2nd half.
See you next year. Gonna be tough.
See you next year. Gonna be tough.
The positives from today were the team spirit looked better and Annett, Clegg and the back row were decent.
The negatives from today were a poor first half, a terrible performance in the scrum and a real missed opportunity when they were down to 14.
Ultimately though I think this is the best this squad of players and coaches is capable of achieving. We can play ok for a half here and there but we’re easily beaten by teams not playing particularly well but doing the basics.
Personally I think we’re kidding ourselves if we think the recruitment for next season is going to propel us from the worst side by a comfortable margin to mid table. We don’t have enough up front and our coaches don’t seem capable of producing a side that is better than the sum of its parts.
The negatives from today were a poor first half, a terrible performance in the scrum and a real missed opportunity when they were down to 14.
Ultimately though I think this is the best this squad of players and coaches is capable of achieving. We can play ok for a half here and there but we’re easily beaten by teams not playing particularly well but doing the basics.
Personally I think we’re kidding ourselves if we think the recruitment for next season is going to propel us from the worst side by a comfortable margin to mid table. We don’t have enough up front and our coaches don’t seem capable of producing a side that is better than the sum of its parts.
Quote:Congratulations on the win.Buzzer
Congratulations for the performance in the 2nd half. Commiserations for the loss. We should have had it in the bag by half time, but you made us Wasps have a very squeaky 2nd half.
See you next year. Gonna be tough.
Quote:neiljk
The positives from today were the team spirit looked better and Annett, Clegg and the back row were decent.
The negatives from today were a poor first half, a terrible performance in the scrum and a real missed opportunity when they were down to 14.
Ultimately though I think this is the best this squad of players and coaches is capable of achieving. We can play ok for a half here and there but we’re easily beaten by teams not playing particularly well but doing the basics.
Personally I think we’re kidding ourselves if we think the recruitment for next season is going to propel us from the worst side by a comfortable margin to mid table. We don’t
have enough up front and our coaches don’t seem capable of producing a side that is better than the sum of its parts.
Completely agree, the issues where we are falling down are personnel. I’d be happy with 7th / 8 th as a start. But there’s no coaching in the world that’s going to turn that front row into a top end unit. Judge and owlett will be an improvement on palfreman and Carey andrews and so on but need a loosehead as with Waller out we’re going to really be under the cosh, next week they’ll have Heyes and Cole and Genge and de bruin and that alone regardless of anything else wins them the game.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion (including me) but I sometimes find the vitriol on the forum more depressing than the match result I realise the logical response to that is 'don't read it'. I also appreciate we are currently in a desperate situation, and poor results have dogged us for years. Nevertheless, JT has not been here for years, and I am happy to support him to develop his plans. I feel he deserves a full season of normal non-Covid rugby before being judged by 'Supporters'.
I don’t see vitriol. I just see fans weary of losing week in week out.
Apparently JT thinks we need a bit of luck. I think we need some better coaching.
Apparently JT thinks we need a bit of luck. I think we need some better coaching.
Didn't think much of Vailanu either to be honest. And that was in an entirely dominant pack. Judge and Owlett are completely 2nd rate (Judge was really poor when he came on for Bath the other night), Heinz will be 35 and Chudley 33. All hopes are being hinged on these last signings it has to be said.
Quote:Judge has been out for 3 months injured, 1st game back. I’ve seen him play at saracens around 2 seasons ago and he was really good. He’s a decent player and much better than what we put out today.WorcesterSauce
Didn't think much of Vailanu either to be honest. And that was in an entirely dominant pack. Judge and Owlett are completely 2nd rate (Judge was really poor when he came on for Bath the other night), Heinz will be 35 and Chudley 33. All hopes are being hinged on these last signings it has to be said.
Sure, but with many of our signings so far, there is a very good reason why they are being let go.
At some point it’s going to be clear our signings, with the exception of dvdm, are not great. I hear all this big talk about the improvement in the squad but I don’t see it.
I think next season is going to be just as a painful as this one.
I think next season is going to be just as a painful as this one.
Although it is abundantly clear that we needed better props today, it was also evident that the Wasps’ front row were shoving before the put in. Seems the ref just didn’t notice.
Quote:Faddy
Everyone is entitled to their opinion (including me) but I sometimes find the vitriol on the forum more depressing than the match result I realise the logical response to that is 'don't read it'. I also appreciate we are currently in a desperate situation, and poor results have dogged us for years. Nevertheless, JT has not been here for years, and I am happy to support him to develop his plans. I feel he deserves a full season of normal non-Covid rugby before being judged by 'Supporters'.
We’ve lost 18 games in a row, it’s unheard of in professional rugby & half our squad look like championship players. JT has been with us a full year, and we’ve gone significantly backwards. I hope he turns it around, but those are the facts.
Quote:Does the fact you put the word supporters in parentheses mean that you don’t think we are really supporters? I can assure you I am, just an unhappy one, and with very good reason IMO.Faddy
Everyone is entitled to their opinion (including me) but I sometimes find the vitriol on the forum more depressing than the match result I realise the logical response to that is 'don't read it'. I also appreciate we are currently in a desperate situation, and poor results have dogged us for years. Nevertheless, JT has not been here for years, and I am happy to support him to develop his plans. I feel he deserves a full season of normal non-Covid rugby before being judged by 'Supporters'.
The problem for me is this:
JT is essentially admitting the squad isn't up to it which I entirely agree with. As such he’s letting 20 players go. All 20 were either signed or resigned by Solly. Solly is still at the club and (I quote JT here) is:
“Solly and I work closely together on that (signings). I’m in charge of the rugby programme so myself, together with the other coaches and Solly, will identify what is our identity and who do we want to recruit to that identity.“
Solly is still working ‘closely’ with JT on bringing in signings. Yet he has essentially given JT our worst, or 2nd worst, ever team.
Credit where it is due, VDM is a cracking bit of business, but his past isn’t actually providing me with much confidence.
As before i’ll wait to see who our final signings are, but so far I agree with much if what’s been said above. Along with those leaving (of whom there are some good players in amongst the 20), it isn’t looking good at all.
JT is essentially admitting the squad isn't up to it which I entirely agree with. As such he’s letting 20 players go. All 20 were either signed or resigned by Solly. Solly is still at the club and (I quote JT here) is:
“Solly and I work closely together on that (signings). I’m in charge of the rugby programme so myself, together with the other coaches and Solly, will identify what is our identity and who do we want to recruit to that identity.“
Solly is still working ‘closely’ with JT on bringing in signings. Yet he has essentially given JT our worst, or 2nd worst, ever team.
Credit where it is due, VDM is a cracking bit of business, but his past isn’t actually providing me with much confidence.
As before i’ll wait to see who our final signings are, but so far I agree with much if what’s been said above. Along with those leaving (of whom there are some good players in amongst the 20), it isn’t looking good at all.
Not so long ago I thought our props for next year would be Schonert and Sutherland starting with Waller and Judge benching. Pretty exciting stuff.
Now it’s looking increasingly likely we will have Judge and Waller starting with Thomas and Owlett benching. I don’t want to knock them but that is not a competitive pool.
Now it’s looking increasingly likely we will have Judge and Waller starting with Thomas and Owlett benching. I don’t want to knock them but that is not a competitive pool.
Think Owen Williams is a decent bit of business as well as VDM too Saucey.
Yep, i’d agree with that. Those two are genuinely good bits of business. I actually like the look of Doel too although im not actually sure he even touched the ball today. VDM will need to come looking for the ball a bit.
They aren’t good business at all if we don’t sort the prop issue out. In fact I’d say at the moment Duhan is a terrible bit of business and will be 300k completely wasted behind a mullered front five. It’s a complete vanity signing, and he can only be coming here for the money. The club are saying potentially one or two signings to come which tells me we are not in the market for a 1 & 3. In which case it will take a miracle to avoid relegation next year.
I have to say that it is very difficult to criticise our backs at the moment, when they are nearly always on the back foot, making it so difficult to make ground.Conversely the opposition have good front foot ball more often than not.Just look at the stats.Our backs have to make so many more tackles than the opposition, and to be fair I thought today as a back line our defence was very good..
I agree, we can sign who we like in the backs,but until we can at least hold our own and even better get on top up front,then we will continue to struggle..
Only we can have an attacking scrum in the middle of the pitch (just before half time) and get pinged even before the ball comes in..Must be very frustrating being a back for us at the moment...
I agree, we can sign who we like in the backs,but until we can at least hold our own and even better get on top up front,then we will continue to struggle..
Only we can have an attacking scrum in the middle of the pitch (just before half time) and get pinged even before the ball comes in..Must be very frustrating being a back for us at the moment...
There are still plenty of top end loosheads s not committed not sure about tight heads though. But the Georgian that wasps fell out with is the easiest one to make and he’s a great scrummager and an enforcer type player. Fischetti is still uncommitted. Might need to look south for a tight head.
Quote:The one or two are props were not short anywhere else, there’s no way we’re going into a season with 2 less props than we have now. Callum blacks wage will be decent enough to go towards a loosehead as will schonerts to a loosehead. Bear I’m mind Carey, palfreman, Schonert and black are all off and we’ve only signed 2 tight heads.Whispering_Death
They aren’t good business at all if we don’t sort the prop issue out. In fact I’d say at the moment Duhan is a terrible bit of business and will be 300k completely wasted behind a mullered front five. It’s a complete vanity signing, and he can only be coming here for the money. The club are saying potentially one or two signings to come which tells me we are not in the market for a 1 & 3. In which case it will take a miracle to avoid relegation next year.
Yes but we don’t need 1 or 2 we need 2. And we don’t potentially need them we desperately need them. The language surely should be we have a couple to come in. We probably haven’t announced NS as leaving yet because we haven’t got a replacement. The longer this goes on the more I’m thinking we just aren’t able to persuade a couple of top quality props to come here. But I do agree that’s all we need, and if we do manage to sort that out we have a pretty good looking squad for next year. If we don’t then we just won’t be able to compete with anyone.
Agree we were absolutely mullered today, and once again it led to us snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Hard to see how we can stop the rot without quality props and at least some scrum parity.
Our front five is actually incredibly lightweight. Need a brute like Will Spencer to sure up the the set piece and stop us getting bullied up front.
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