Northampton Saints
The Summer Quiz - Round 8
By David Lowrence
August 6 2011
How Well Do You Know this Place?
- What Links a Black Bull, Salcey Forest and the Steel industry – and how
- What links 1164, a marina and Aussie Rich’s Bedroom?
- From Woodgate to Rutland to London to Loughton to Northampton, picking up a "pooty" and a "throstle" along the way – who and why?
- What links the last of the Bard’s line, Munster and The Steelbacks
- How does the Tree where the Danes held court relate to the red nosed Innkeeper from Henry VI pt I and the Haunting of Charles I
- Weaving, Boots and Rainwear – and the home of King Arthur and the Lady of the Lake - where?
- Four to One to Four - how?
- An uphill finish tests the competitors’ stamina – where?
- What has PLUTO got to do with the County?
- Where will you find the "English Versailles"?
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Good quiz... I just happen to know [x]
[x] This is Boughton House
but Im struggling withe the rest ..
xi The birthplace is Camelot, Boots and Rainwear suggests Wellington Boots - is there suh a thing as a Canmelot Wellington Boot? - I doubt it.. no idea.. will carry on thinking..
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[x] This is Boughton House
but Im struggling withe the rest ..
xi The birthplace is Camelot, Boots and Rainwear suggests Wellington Boots - is there suh a thing as a Canmelot Wellington Boot? - I doubt it.. no idea.. will carry on thinking..
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It is indeed Rob
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ix. As PLUTO is in capitals, something to do with Pipe Lines Under The Ocean - the pipes which carried fuel under the channel during WWII?
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Where though?
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Where though?
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viii - Im assuming when you say, 'this place' you are referring to the county - if its something to do with competitors with an 'uphill' finish , this suggests a race course - it cannt be Silverstone as you dont need stamina so Im going for Towcester Racecourse - no idea if it has any 'slopes' - Im assuming it does.
ii - "Aussie Rich" - isnt he the bloke that runs the Thomas a Becket pub? - Im assuming that something happened in 1164 with Thomas Becket - no idea about the reference to a Marina?
vi: Kettering? King Arthur and Lady of the Lake are the two locomotives at Wicksteed Park, and the town has previously been known for Worsted weaving and the manufacture of boots & shoes.
As for the rainwear I think that Aquascutum has a factory there.
As for the rainwear I think that Aquascutum has a factory there.
Towcester Racecourse does indeed have an uphill finish
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You're just too good at this Sarge
If I'd known you were coming I'd have called them 'Daley and the wet woman'
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If I'd known you were coming I'd have called them 'Daley and the wet woman'
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Quote:St Marlowe
Woof Woof Pip
Where though?
As you suggested I was along the right lines, a little research tells me that the pipes for PLUTO were made from Corby steel.
ii What links 1164, a marina and Aussie Rich’s Bedroom
Not a great feat to get to Thomas Becket. The 1164 Council of Northampton - the cause and start of Becket's exile, the new marina in Beckets Park and the pub of the name.
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Not a great feat to get to Thomas Becket. The 1164 Council of Northampton - the cause and start of Becket's exile, the new marina in Beckets Park and the pub of the name.
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v. How does the Tree where the Danes held court relate to the red nosed Innkeeper from Henry VI pt I and the Haunting of Charles I.
Danetre - Daventry.
The danes planted a tree on what is now called Borough Hill. The red nosed innkeeper of Daintree is a line from said play and the town was garrison to royalist forces before the battle of Naseby (1645).
It is said that King Charles was visited by the ghost of Thomas Wenworth during this time. The ghost gave him advice that he could not win the forthcoming battle
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Danetre - Daventry.
The danes planted a tree on what is now called Borough Hill. The red nosed innkeeper of Daintree is a line from said play and the town was garrison to royalist forces before the battle of Naseby (1645).
It is said that King Charles was visited by the ghost of Thomas Wenworth during this time. The ghost gave him advice that he could not win the forthcoming battle
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iv What links the last of the Bard’s line, Munster and The Steelbacks
Are we talking about Hamnet Shakespeare?
If so, he died young - 1596
The last of a line of Munster kings desisted in the same year.
1596 is not promising for Steelbacks of army or cricketing persuasion
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Are we talking about Hamnet Shakespeare?
If so, he died young - 1596
The last of a line of Munster kings desisted in the same year.
1596 is not promising for Steelbacks of army or cricketing persuasion
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I was quite depressed until you got to the last one which is totally wrong!
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Bard = William Shakespeare
Line = his male children
Number = 1
Name = Hamnet
Died = 1596, aged 11
End of the line...?
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Line = his male children
Number = 1
Name = Hamnet
Died = 1596, aged 11
End of the line...?
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iii - John Clare? Can't get the Woodgate and Rutland connections, but his fame took him to London and he was in an asylum in Loughton beofer returning to Northampton. Pooty is a snail and throstle is a song thrush.
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You old misogynist OSB
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I am judging the "Line" you are taking
But you haven't got the link yet - look at where they live.
Steelbacks
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But you haven't got the link yet - look at where they live.
Steelbacks
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iv: This is all to do with the Abington estate. Shakespeare's only granddaughter: Elizabeth, owned the Abington Manor (what is now the museum) for a while. She was the last of the line because she died childless.
Later on, the estate came into the possession of Lady Wantage - who presented the Manor and Abington Park to the Corporation of Northampton. Wantage Road is named in her honour and that is the address of the County Ground - where the Steelbacks play.
Finally, one of the Earls of Thomond owned Billing Hall. As far as I can tell, they never owned the Abington Estate - but when Billing Hall was demolished a window from it depicting the Thomond arms was installed in Abington Manor.
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Later on, the estate came into the possession of Lady Wantage - who presented the Manor and Abington Park to the Corporation of Northampton. Wantage Road is named in her honour and that is the address of the County Ground - where the Steelbacks play.
Finally, one of the Earls of Thomond owned Billing Hall. As far as I can tell, they never owned the Abington Estate - but when Billing Hall was demolished a window from it depicting the Thomond arms was installed in Abington Manor.
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You're just too good Sarge
Spot on in every respect.
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Spot on in every respect.
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Sarge, do you know where Billing Hall was situated? - just curios as I didnt know such a place evr existed..
It was stormed by the militant bargees of the Nene collective in the great revolution of 1999 that established the Peoples Republic of Little Billing.
In accordance with proper dialectical building regulations it was converted into a recycling facility.
Nowdays anyone with an eye for detail will notice the stone carvings behind the bottle banks. These depict the infamous pillage of Kingsthorpe in 1783.
In accordance with proper dialectical building regulations it was converted into a recycling facility.
Nowdays anyone with an eye for detail will notice the stone carvings behind the bottle banks. These depict the infamous pillage of Kingsthorpe in 1783.
Ahh the Nene collective - where are they now? I heard that some had gone to Benghazi.
The balcony over the door looks very much like your patio Pete. Is there perchance some recycling going on?
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The balcony over the door looks very much like your patio Pete. Is there perchance some recycling going on?
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iii: To fill in the bits left out by Smurf...
Clare was born in a cottage in Woodgate in the village of Helpston.
That cottage is now the HQ of the Clare Cottage Trust, and from its website I found that in 1817 John Clare worked as a lime-burner in Rutland - which is where he met his wife.
I think that leaves just i and vii to deduce, and I have no idea about either of them at the moment.
Clare was born in a cottage in Woodgate in the village of Helpston.
That cottage is now the HQ of the Clare Cottage Trust, and from its website I found that in 1817 John Clare worked as a lime-burner in Rutland - which is where he met his wife.
I think that leaves just i and vii to deduce, and I have no idea about either of them at the moment.
You will need to use your long (or short) division skills.
clearly a major event for some supporters
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clearly a major event for some supporters
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Aha!
Four to One to Four...
In the 1960s, the Cobblers were promoted in successive seasons from the old Division Four up to Division One. They spent one season in the top flight before tumbling all the way back down the ladder.
wanders off, feeling slightly smug...
Four to One to Four...
In the 1960s, the Cobblers were promoted in successive seasons from the old Division Four up to Division One. They spent one season in the top flight before tumbling all the way back down the ladder.
wanders off, feeling slightly smug...
They actually spent two seasons in one division but I can't remember if it was on the way up or on the way down.
Yep just checked, they spent two seasons in the old Div Two. Promoted and end of 62/63 season they spent 63/64 and 64/65 in D2 before taking their brief spot with the big boys in 65/66.
Has (i) got anything to do with the use of circus animals to fell trees in Salcey during WW2?
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i. Little White Bull was sung by Tommy Steele but I guess that is just a coincidence to the Steel Industry
neither correct - but you see the linkage much more often than you would suppose.
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i Theres a Black bull on Northamptonshires crest/arms isnt there? Is the link the arms? Cant fit the steel industry or Salcy forest into this though :-(
The link is indeed the arms
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There are other things on the arms though!
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Stolen from the same site as the badge in StBleach's message...
"The black bull and the white hart are taken from the heraldry of the Yorkist Kings, and also refer to the county’s leather and shoe-making industries. The white hart also represents the ancient royal forests of Rockingham, Salcey and Whittlebury and its metal collar the steel industry"
Strangely, the arms of Newport Pagnell also feature a black bull, and the heraldic description mentions Salcey. I was looking at that as a link yesterday, but couldn't find any steel connection...
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"The black bull and the white hart are taken from the heraldry of the Yorkist Kings, and also refer to the county’s leather and shoe-making industries. The white hart also represents the ancient royal forests of Rockingham, Salcey and Whittlebury and its metal collar the steel industry"
Strangely, the arms of Newport Pagnell also feature a black bull, and the heraldic description mentions Salcey. I was looking at that as a link yesterday, but couldn't find any steel connection...
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Well done googlers I held out till Tuesday anyway. I will try another next weekend.
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Exactly St M - i was watching this with some amusement as they tracked down the answers from google link to another google link !!!
Likewise and I dont think Idve got the link - I never knew the hart in heraldry symbolised a royal forest though it does make sense
you have to be careful with heraldry - kings and a lot of yer major nobles in the middle ages onwards had not only a coat of arms but would also have a badge. The latter might be on their banners but also on the clothing of their retainers
For example Richard III would have born the royal arms of England 3 lions passant gardent - or on gules quatered with the lillies of france. but his badge was a boar.
Richard II to name another not so clever dick - had as his badge a white hart - hence a lot of pubs called that.
Sometimes if the badge was beast it was also incorporated in the arms as one of the supporters. Henry Tudors dragon badge was so incorporated by his successor Tudors. . But badges were not always beasts - They could be a knot , a sheaf of corn - or perhaps the best known the tudor rose.
PS. none of the above was googled i read it years ago in one of them book thingies - it has been processed and stored in a unique super computer called my brain. Although as it gets older access is not always gauranteed.
For example Richard III would have born the royal arms of England 3 lions passant gardent - or on gules quatered with the lillies of france. but his badge was a boar.
Richard II to name another not so clever dick - had as his badge a white hart - hence a lot of pubs called that.
Sometimes if the badge was beast it was also incorporated in the arms as one of the supporters. Henry Tudors dragon badge was so incorporated by his successor Tudors. . But badges were not always beasts - They could be a knot , a sheaf of corn - or perhaps the best known the tudor rose.
PS. none of the above was googled i read it years ago in one of them book thingies - it has been processed and stored in a unique super computer called my brain. Although as it gets older access is not always gauranteed.
Of course questionmasters are all like Stephen Fry and know everything without resorting to search engines... 
Chris - i do use wikipedia etc but only check on things i think i know - like I was going to ask a to question about which was the odd one out from a list of composers - the answer was going to be that X never wrote an opera.
But I thought i had better check it - and @#$%& me he did - so did loads of them - you would never have heard of the operas so obscure were they - and the only ones who didnt write an opera were also mostly obscure and unheard of.
But I thought i had better check it - and @#$%& me he did - so did loads of them - you would never have heard of the operas so obscure were they - and the only ones who didnt write an opera were also mostly obscure and unheard of.
Is the uphill finish Rockingham near Corby. They have a bike race up the hill outside the castle
No Robb - It's Towcester Racecourse
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This quiz I are mostly been using :
Blindingly
Obvious
Oracular
Knowledge
Sources
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Blindingly
Obvious
Oracular
Knowledge
Sources
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How quaint David ;-)
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“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
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Books, Google, Wiki, its all the same. Stephen Fry just wakes up each morning and its all magically there in his head without any recourse to outside sources. Then he tells us all on Twitter before breakfast.
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