Northampton Saints
Saints v Gloucester Match Thread - Teams Up
By Saint Ted
May 7 2021
This is the Saints v Gloucester match day thread
Who:
Northampton Saints v Gloucester Rugby
When:
Saturday 8 May 2021 14:00
Where:
Franklins Gardens
How do I watch:
BT Sports 2/Channel 5
Officials:
Referee: Ian Tempest
Assistant referee: Hamish Smales and Wayne Falla
No.4: Alex Thomas
TMO: Trevor Fisher
Saints Unavailable
Owen Franks (foot), Mikey Haywood (hand), Danny Hobbs-Awoyemi (achilles), Nick Isiekwe (pectoral), Courtney Lawes (pectoral), Alex Mitchell (ankle), Ryan Olowofela (ankle), Ollie Sleightholme (back) and Kayde Sylvester (achilles).
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Discussion started by Marching On , 07/05/2021 12:10
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Looking forward to seeing James provide quick ball to Dan B. 
Painter, Auterac and Big T to come on later, that's some power off the bench.
Painter, Auterac and Big T to come on later, that's some power off the bench.
If we can't beat that half back pairing then we don't deserve to do well this season.
I'm looking forward to seeing their outside centre play after his performances in the Autumn. Saying that, I hope Rory shuts him down quickly.
I'm looking forward to seeing their outside centre play after his performances in the Autumn. Saying that, I hope Rory shuts him down quickly.
Quote:Stockers
Dammit! Zammit!!
Come on you Saints!
Ohhh Brad!
On a more serious note - rain predicted sadly
Glad to have Api back, his physicality will help against Ed Slater who i think is pretty underrated. I would look at bringing on big T for Hutchinson with 20 mins to go and bring Proctor back into outside centre rather than taking off Freeman who is playing awesome rugby and is always a threat on the counter attacks with his pace and stepping ability đ
Does 12T play 10 that much for Glos?
Interesting to see Heinz on the bench. Take note EJ.
Interesting to see Heinz on the bench. Take note EJ.
A good team with mix of experience and youth. Although itâs been raining this week the pitch should be firm as weâve had a prolonged dry period before the rain. Iâm looking for another step up from the recent games. It would be good to see a happy coaching team after the game.
As an aside great to see Bryan O'Connor on the bench for Gloucester he played with my son from U6 to U13 for a small club called Crosshaven. Delighted for the lad.
Quote:TommySaint
I think we will cut them apart in the last 20
First 20.
As long as we can cut out all service to R-Z we should be fine. As mentioned previously, some big hits on 36 will be required.
Oh for a Courtney shaped missile but I'm sure out back row will punch some big holes.
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Oh for a Courtney shaped missile but I'm sure out back row will punch some big holes.
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Heinz was their best player when we last played them so I'm quite happy he's on the bench.
Rain is going to make our running game harder.
Whilst it won't be easy, we need to have the try bonus point in mind as even one point could make the difference to top 4.
Rain is going to make our running game harder.
Whilst it won't be easy, we need to have the try bonus point in mind as even one point could make the difference to top 4.
First points to Gloucester
Waller not moving away
Penalty
Mind you seen many of those not given
Waller not moving away
Penalty
Mind you seen many of those not given
Plenty of huff and puff
Solid defence
But penalties and silly mistakes
Causing disjointed play
Solid defence
But penalties and silly mistakes
Causing disjointed play
Quote:saint krigeQuote:TommySaint
I think we will cut them apart in the last 20
First 20.
Ageing well so far.... Typical 'on free-to-air TV' performance from us 17 mins in.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021:05:08:14:26:23 by Matthew.
Quote:MatthewQuote:saint krigeQuote:TommySaint
I think we will cut them apart in the last 20
First 20.
Ageing well so far.... Typical 'on free-to-air TV' performance from us so far.
Obviously I meant Glaws cutting us apart :O
We are looking like we arenât bothered today. Done nothing positive but made lots of mistakes. We are making Gloucester look better than they are!
Biggar fails his HIA. Not in the game at all so far - slightly surprised Gloucester aren't more than 10 points ahead.
1. Sort out the lineout
2. Tempest is killing us at the scrum. Glaws are deliberately not taking the hit 4 times now which has led to penalty or free kick
3. Sort out discipline
2. Tempest is killing us at the scrum. Glaws are deliberately not taking the hit 4 times now which has led to penalty or free kick
3. Sort out discipline
not sure we are on the right side of this ref
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021:05:08:14:37:05 by Deesaint.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021:05:08:14:37:05 by Deesaint.
Set piece has disappeared and Mr Tempest appears to have taken against us.
If we go in only 10-0 down, its not bad considering.
Really poor so far.
Really poor so far.
Watching on Channel 5.
Used to like David Flatman - but someone tell him to shut the *&%$ up!
Used to like David Flatman - but someone tell him to shut the *&%$ up!
I hope we make some changes at half time ala Borthiwick v Ulster.
Backrow not working at all.
Change both props.
Backrow not working at all.
Change both props.
Absolute garbage to be honest.
Cannot remember a 40 minutes weâve played this badly. Hope the riot act is read at half time, otherwise top four is over!!
Not a great advertisement to sign up season tickets!! đ
Cannot remember a 40 minutes weâve played this badly. Hope the riot act is read at half time, otherwise top four is over!!
Not a great advertisement to sign up season tickets!! đ
Our kicking has been uncharacteristically poor. Box kicks have been consistently just too deep to be contestable and kicks for touch have often missed.
Last-ditch defence has been pretty good, but that won't get us on the scoreboard.
So far it feels like today's going to be the day the top 4 ends up too far away to catch.
Last-ditch defence has been pretty good, but that won't get us on the scoreboard.
So far it feels like today's going to be the day the top 4 ends up too far away to catch.
Sloppy AF! Tone set early on by capt. Waller with two bone lazy penalties!
Glos bang up for it. Weâre lucky to still be in it.
Leadership test again second half. Letâs see who steps upâŚ.????
Glos bang up for it. Weâre lucky to still be in it.
Leadership test again second half. Letâs see who steps upâŚ.????
Poorest forty minutes I have seen for some time from Saints - Fergie was right, mentally most of them are still sitting in front of the fire at home.
Well that was as poor a first half as youâll see from us. The only way is up from here! Having said that, weâre only 10 points down and I back us to win still from here
Church's Stand - Block 20 - Row Q - Seat 700
Come and say hello!
Church's Stand - Block 20 - Row Q - Seat 700
Come and say hello!
Slippy conditions with the slope second half, still hopeful
Wet weather rugby is something we really havenât developed properly at all
Back row needs to wake up and get on TJs shoulder, there are gaps close to the ruck
Wet weather rugby is something we really havenât developed properly at all
Back row needs to wake up and get on TJs shoulder, there are gaps close to the ruck
Hmmm 10-0 at half time after that performance is pro w my a good day result I think - every part of our game has been quite frankly shocking! But we arenât out of it and got a strong bench to bring on in the second half and playing down hill.
The LRZ love in is pretty galling on BT Sport too, no comment on head contact to Naiyavoro to get him into touch at the end of the half there?
The LRZ love in is pretty galling on BT Sport too, no comment on head contact to Naiyavoro to get him into touch at the end of the half there?
40 minutes reminiscent of our recent poor run
Too many silly penalties
Set piece under serious pressure
Slow to breakdown
James box kicking either too long or too short
Giving possession away too easily
Hoping for a much improved second 40
Too many silly penalties
Set piece under serious pressure
Slow to breakdown
James box kicking either too long or too short
Giving possession away too easily
Hoping for a much improved second 40
Quote:TunbridgeSaint
Hmmm 10-0 at half time after that performance is pro w my a good day result I think - every part of our game has been quite frankly shocking! But we arenât out of it and got a strong bench to bring on in the second half and playing down hill.
The LRZ love in is pretty galling on BT Sport too, no comment on head contact to Naiyavoro to get him into touch at the end of the half there?
Once the tackle is complete the player on the floor canât then be pushed or pulled into touch
Clear penalty IMHO
Quote:TommySaintQuote:TunbridgeSaint
Hmmm 10-0 at half time after that performance is pro w my a good day result I think - every part of our game has been quite frankly shocking! But we arenât out of it and got a strong bench to bring on in the second half and playing down hill.
The LRZ love in is pretty galling on BT Sport too, no comment on head contact to Naiyavoro to get him into touch at the end of the half there?
Once the tackle is complete the player on the floor canât then be pushed or pulled into touch
Clear penalty IMHO
Not sure about consistency of refereeing either. We were pinged for sealing off, Gloucester did it later & nothing said.
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10 man rugby conditions, unfortunately that requires a functioning lineout to be effective. Ours hasnât been good for quite some time and today is woeful (probably not good since the retirement of Daisy & Dyl with Mikey playing well in Dylâs absence). We will never be a top side until this is sorted. Itâs needs new personnel imo
Not a Tempest fan, but think we've deserved most pens against us, been really inaccurate in every area.
We may well have deserved our penalties but I'm sure I've seen a fair few similar instances where Gloucester have got away with the same offence.
Do excuses though... We've been p1ss poor
Do excuses though... We've been p1ss poor
New props please!
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021:05:08:15:06:30 by saint krige.
I'm rather enjoying how Heinz doesn't even pretend to feed the ball straight into a scrum. Not saying that anyone else does either, but most don't angle their bodies at least 30° first!
Weâre a couple of yards off the pace
No support for Lewis when he made break
No support for piers when he hit the line
No support for Lewis when he made break
No support for piers when he hit the line
Quote:SaintsAsh
Apparently tackling the head is okay if you make it into a choke tackle
I agree - high tackle should have been given.
And a freebie for Glaws. Clearly enjoyed the week off a bit too much and fancy guaranteeing a couple more at the end of the regular season! Twelvetrees doing his best to keep us in it from the kicking tee.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021:05:08:15:11:42 by Matthew.
FFS...Cam someone give me a shout when we actually turn up! They are abysmal at the moment! 0-15! Terrible. Goodbye top 4 chances. Well done lads for messing this up!
A week off and it seems we have forgotten everything we held high at Tigers. Totally inept performance so far and no one really shining at all today
Crikey, this is giving some pre Xmas performances a run for itâs money in terms of lacklustre effort.
Not sure Glaws have been that good rather than weâve been terrible, we are not handling the wet ball well at all.
Very disappointing to say the least
Not sure Glaws have been that good rather than weâve been terrible, we are not handling the wet ball well at all.
Very disappointing to say the least
Why are we 10' in to the second half and still no changes? This is poor management too.
This is the poorest we've been in some time. Need to see some changes immediately if we're to stand any chance here. Can't win games without a set piece... Or the ball for that matter. Very disappointing
I take it back.... weâre not going to turn this around!
Church's Stand - Block 20 - Row Q - Seat 700
Come and say hello!
Church's Stand - Block 20 - Row Q - Seat 700
Come and say hello!
Has Tempest ever reffâd a good game of rugby. He is an appalling ref
Not suggesting thatâs why we are losing
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Not suggesting thatâs why we are losing
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021:05:08:15:21:17 by Walks11.
How many times have we actually been in their twenty two in the first fifty five minutes ?
Iâm sorry but heads need to roll for this shambles. This is not remotely what youâd expect from professionals in any job. This is garbage.
Getting nilled at home with having barely troubled the Gloucester 22 let alone their try line. Life's too short and I've got other things to do today ... so also switching off. Hoping for a thrilling final 30 to prove me wrong but suspect I'm doing the right thing.
The TV curse continues!
The TV curse continues!
Quote:Walks11
Has Tempest ever reffâd a good game of rugby. He is an appalling ref
You cant blame the ref for our poor performance, I know that the lads always give their beat but today their vest is just not good enough.
Quote:Coltnet
Iâm sorry but heads need to roll for this shambles. This is not remotely what youâd expect from professionals in any job. This is garbage.
Calm down dear
Quote:jdustyQuote:Walks11
Has Tempest ever reffâd a good game of rugby. He is an appalling ref
You cant blame the ref for our poor performance, I know that the lads always give their beat but today their vest is just not good enough.
You can blame the ref for his poor performance though.
We are just going through the motions and do not look interested at all. No one is running with conviction at all
Quote:jdustyQuote:Walks11
Has Tempest ever reffâd a good game of rugby. He is an appalling ref
You cant blame the ref for our poor performance, I know that the lads always give their beat but today their vest is just not good enough.
See my edit.. thatâs not what i was suggesting at all
When one team is so utterly dominant over the other than the referee is likely to reward the team going forwards. Maybe a couple of questionable breakdown penalties but we have been utterly outplayed and we are having a very very bad day at the office.
I donât believe we have become an awful team in 2 weeks
I donât believe we have become an awful team in 2 weeks
Quote:Saint KrisQuote:jdustyQuote:Walks11
Has Tempest ever reffâd a good game of rugby. He is an appalling ref
You cant blame the ref for our poor performance, I know that the lads always give their beat but today their vest is just not good enough.
You can blame the ref for his poor performance though.
I could point to a couple of 50/50 calls you could argue he got wrong but not sure why heâs getting so much abuse.
Church's Stand - Block 20 - Row Q - Seat 700
Come and say hello!
Penalty after penalty. No one appears to have twigged what they are doing wrong! Oh no. Dammit again!
Nightmare performance
We are dangerous in the dry and hopeless in the wet
Ah well, onto next season
We are dangerous in the dry and hopeless in the wet
Ah well, onto next season
Quote:Jamie_86Quote:Saint KrisQuote:jdustyQuote:Walks11
Has Tempest ever reffâd a good game of rugby. He is an appalling ref
You cant blame the ref for our poor performance, I know that the lads always give their beat but today their vest is just not good enough.
You can blame the ref for his poor performance though.
I could point to a couple of 50/50 calls you could argue he got wrong but not sure why heâs getting so much abuse.
Personally I just donât think heâs been consistent.
This is surely the worst performance of Boyds tenure? Absolutely shockingly bad!
All the old problems resurfacing. It has to be a mentality problem. All the physicality and urgency we had has gone. Where are the carries? We have just not going going at all. Just expecting it to happen for us. Very disappointing to see. Crikey!
Quote:Coltnet
Iâm sorry but heads need to roll for this shambles. This is not remotely what youâd expect from professionals in any job. This is garbage.
Spot on this appraisal.
Well, a complete shambles..
Where is the fight to achieve top four!!!!! What a missed opportunity!
An absolutely disgraceful performance 1 to 23!!
Hmmm was LRZ really onside, questionable? Beggars belief they can look at it that quickly, so frustrating, use the technology consistently
Well, we have been very poor across the board. The coaches will be pulling their hair out
Quote:TunbridgeSaint
Hmmm was LRZ really onside, questionable? Beggars belief they can look at it that quickly, so frustrating, use the technology consistently
Looked good to me. Bloke is rapid.
The ref is just refereeing whats in front of him.... and whats in front of him is a gloucester team that's playing with energy, desire and commitment and also saints.....
Well at least its now got to the stage where Saints performance is so bad that it now actually quite amusing to watch such is the abysmal quality of what they have produced today. Slap in the face for all those who entered the ballot in the hope that Saints would be pushing for top four.
I wouldn't send this lot litter picking in the town. They'd make a pig's ear of that!
Quote:Hollywood JKQuote:Coltnet
Iâm sorry but heads need to roll for this shambles. This is not remotely what youâd expect from professionals in any job. This is garbage.
Spot on this appraisal.
Well, a complete shambles..
Where is the fight to achieve top four!!!!! What a missed opportunity!
An absolutely disgraceful performance 1 to 23!!
Dreadful performance but heads needing to roll? You said that when we were 11th, youâre saying it when we are 5th? Let me guess, if we didnât win the Prem next year then sack everyone?
Who are you suggesting is fired, who is being recruited to replace them and whose money are you going to use to enact it ?
"No relegation will mean dead rubber games" - Don't think so. Credit to Glaws they've been fantastic in defence today.
I think the week off they had is now looking like it was a really bad idea!
Quote:TommySaintQuote:Hollywood JKQuote:Coltnet
Iâm sorry but heads need to roll for this shambles. This is not remotely what youâd expect from professionals in any job. This is garbage.
Spot on this appraisal.
Well, a complete shambles..
Where is the fight to achieve top four!!!!! What a missed opportunity!
An absolutely disgraceful performance 1 to 23!!
Dreadful performance but heads needing to roll? You said that when we were 11th, youâre saying it when we are 5th? Let me
guess, if we didnât win the Prem next year then sack everyone?
Who are you suggesting is fired, who is being recruited to replace them and whose money are you going to use to enact it ?
Agreed. Can we please stop the ridiculous football style, âsack the managerâ style comments after one bad performance. Seriously.. have a word with yourself.
Quote:TommySaintQuote:Hollywood JKQuote:Coltnet
Iâm sorry but heads need to roll for this shambles. This is not remotely what youâd expect from professionals in any job. This is garbage.
Spot on this appraisal.
Well, a complete shambles..
Where is the fight to achieve top four!!!!! What a missed opportunity!
An absolutely disgraceful performance 1 to 23!!
Dreadful performance but heads needing to roll? You said that when we were 11th, youâre saying it when we are 5th? Let me guess, if we didnât win the Prem next year then sack everyone?
Who are you suggesting is fired, who is being recruited to replace them and whose money are you going to use to enact it ?
Not worth replying to Hollywood, pal.
He/she has zero credibility.
One bad performance is not the end of the world. It happens to all teams, We will come back stronger next week.
[quote Hollywood JK][quote Coltnet]Iâm sorry but heads need to roll for this shambles. This is not remotely what youâd expect from professionals in any job. This is garbage.[/quote]
Spot on this appraisal.
Well, a complete shambles..
Where is the fight to achieve top four!!!!! What a missed opportunity!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021:05:08:15:48:44 by Iamasaint.
Spot on this appraisal.
Well, a complete shambles..
Where is the fight to achieve top four!!!!! What a missed opportunity!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021:05:08:15:48:44 by Iamasaint.
[quote Iamasaint][quote Hollywood JK][quote Coltnet]Iâm sorry but heads need to roll for this shambles. This is not remotely what youâd expect from professionals in any job. This is garbage.[/quote]
Spot on this appraisal.
Well, a complete shambles..
Where is the fight to achieve top four!!!!! What a missed opportunity!
So whose heads do the two of you think should roll?
Weâve had an absolutely awful day at the office, it happens.
Some on here make me laugh. We are all disappointed, but get a grip.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021:05:08:15:47:59 by Iamasaint.
Spot on this appraisal.
Well, a complete shambles..
Where is the fight to achieve top four!!!!! What a missed opportunity!
So whose heads do the two of you think should roll?
Weâve had an absolutely awful day at the office, it happens.
Some on here make me laugh. We are all disappointed, but get a grip.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021:05:08:15:47:59 by Iamasaint.
Quote:Jamie_86Quote:TommySaintQuote:Hollywood JKQuote:Coltnet
Iâm sorry but heads need to roll for this shambles. This is not remotely what youâd expect from professionals in any job. This is garbage.
Spot on this appraisal.
Well, a complete shambles..
Where is the fight to achieve top four!!!!! What a missed opportunity!
An absolutely disgraceful performance 1 to 23!!
Dreadful performance but heads needing to roll? You said that when we were 11th, youâre saying it when we are 5th? Let me
guess, if we didnât win the Prem next year then sack everyone?
Who are you suggesting is fired, who is being recruited to replace them and whose money are you going to use to enact it ?
Agreed. Can we please stop the ridiculous football style, âsack the managerâ style comments after one bad performance. Seriously.. have a word with yourself.
It was a metaphorical comment rather than a letâs sack people type of comment. How we go from good to garbage is incredible. None of the other teams towards the top fluctuate like Saints do. Or at least thatâs how it seems. It is definitely a mindset thing, which isnât right clearly!
Quote:Ol'oneeye
The ref is just refereeing whats in front of him.... and whats in front of him is a gloucester team that's playing with energy, desire and commitment and also saints.....
Heâs not giving points for style but should be consistently applying the laws of the game. I am being subjective but I donât see consistency.
Poor day, poor performance, poor ref, poor result. Weather a leveller, Biggar going off didnât help they have managed game better generally
Quote:saint krigeQuote:TommySaintQuote:Hollywood JKQuote:Coltnet
Iâm sorry but heads need to roll for this shambles. This is not remotely what youâd expect from professionals in any job. This is garbage.
Spot on this appraisal.
Well, a complete shambles..
Where is the fight to achieve top four!!!!! What a missed opportunity!
An absolutely disgraceful performance 1 to 23!!
Dreadful performance but heads needing to roll? You said that when we were 11th, youâre saying it when we are 5th? Let me guess, if we didnât win the Prem next year then sack everyone?
Who are you suggesting is fired, who is being recruited to replace them and whose money are you going to use to enact it ?
Not worth replying to Hollywood, pal.
He/she has zero credibility.
Was that directed at me? If so, how do you achieve credibility on here?
Quote:ColtnetQuote:saint krigeQuote:TommySaintQuote:Hollywood JKQuote:Coltnet
Iâm sorry but heads need to roll for this shambles. This is not remotely what youâd expect from professionals in any job. This is garbage.
Spot on this appraisal.
Well, a complete shambles..
Where is the fight to achieve top four!!!!! What a missed opportunity!
An absolutely disgraceful performance 1 to 23!!
Dreadful performance but heads needing to roll? You said that when we were 11th, youâre saying it when we are 5th? Let me guess, if we didnât win the Prem next year then sack everyone?
Who are you suggesting is fired, who is being recruited to replace them and whose money are you going to use to enact it ?
Not worth replying to Hollywood, pal.
He/she has zero credibility.
Was that directed at me? If so, how do you achieve credibility on here?
"Not worth replying to Hollywood, pal."
Sometimes a performance is just so bad you have to ignore it. Today was just one of those days, I hoped we had seen the end of them but clearly not.
It probably means top four has now gone but that might not be a bad thing a performance like that against Bristol or Exeter would be 60-70 points.
It probably means top four has now gone but that might not be a bad thing a performance like that against Bristol or Exeter would be 60-70 points.
Cant blame any one person for that, team were not on form today. Credit to Gloucester they played what was in front of them.
Quote:saint krigeQuote:ColtnetQuote:saint krigeQuote:TommySaintQuote:Hollywood JKQuote:Coltnet
Iâm sorry but heads need to roll for this shambles. This is not remotely what youâd expect from professionals in any job. This is garbage.
Spot on this appraisal.
Well, a complete shambles..
Where is the fight to achieve top four!!!!! What a missed opportunity!
An absolutely disgraceful performance 1 to 23!!
Dreadful performance but heads needing to roll? You said that when we were 11th, youâre saying it when we are 5th? Let me guess, if we didnât win the Prem next year then sack everyone?
Who are you suggesting is fired, who is being recruited to replace them and whose money are you going to use to enact it ?
Not worth replying to Hollywood, pal.
He/she has zero credibility.
Was that directed at me? If so, how do you achieve credibility on here?
"Not worth replying to Hollywood, pal."
My bad... canât read
Nearly as bad as that game!
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So we all agree that rugby without fans doesnât really count?
Good
So letâs all forget the last 2 seasons and look forward
Good
So letâs all forget the last 2 seasons and look forward
Really disappointing to think we can get the mindset so wrong. From the first minute the tone was set. Who takes responsibility for mindset I wonder? Who are the leaders?
I really hope we fix this with recruitment. It just happens too regularly!
I really hope we fix this with recruitment. It just happens too regularly!
Oh dear. As shambles go, that was quite a good one!!
A bit galling to see the Glos attack and defence coaches are ex Saints.....but fair play to them, our game plan was thoroughly disrupted by a visiting side who played with energy and positivity.
A bad day at the office. Well played Glos.
A bit galling to see the Glos attack and defence coaches are ex Saints.....but fair play to them, our game plan was thoroughly disrupted by a visiting side who played with energy and positivity.
A bad day at the office. Well played Glos.
And that ladies and gentlemen, is how it feels to be a Northampton Saints fan!
From scintillating play and wins on the bounce to that! And then next week probably back to a good win!
I think we all should have learnt by now that this team will give you plenty of ups and downs!
From scintillating play and wins on the bounce to that! And then next week probably back to a good win!
I think we all should have learnt by now that this team will give you plenty of ups and downs!
An absolute shambles in every facet of the game. No excuses today - a bit of a reality check as to where we really are in our development.
I literally think that they have to draw a line in the sand with that. Nothing functioned. Just call it poor and move on. The players know already youâd like to think.
Quote:ColtnetQuote:saint krigeQuote:ColtnetQuote:saint krigeQuote:TommySaintQuote:Hollywood JKQuote:Coltnet
Iâm sorry but heads need to roll for this shambles. This is not remotely what youâd expect from professionals in any job. This is garbage.
Spot on this appraisal.
Well, a complete shambles..
Where is the fight to achieve top four!!!!! What a missed opportunity!
An absolutely disgraceful performance 1 to 23!!
Dreadful performance but heads needing to roll? You said that when we were 11th, youâre saying it when we are 5th? Let me guess, if we didnât win the Prem next year then sack everyone?
Who are you suggesting is fired, who is being recruited to replace them and whose money are you going to use to enact it ?
Not worth replying to Hollywood, pal.
He/she has zero credibility.
Was that directed at me? If so, how do you achieve credibility on here?
"Not worth replying to Hollywood, pal."
My bad... canât read
Nearly as bad as that game!
Letâs be clear. You ainât no pal of mine!!!! đ¤
Just nipped back to catch the result
Bet the saints are glad that there where no fans
A @#$%& kicking like that would have met with some real disapproving comments
Probably some boos at the end
Thats our home pitch
It wasnât respected
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Bet the saints are glad that there where no fans
A @#$%& kicking like that would have met with some real disapproving comments
Probably some boos at the end
Thats our home pitch
It wasnât respected
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Quote:Coltnet
I literally think that they have to draw a line in the sand with that. Nothing functioned. Just call it poor and move on. The players know already youâd like to think.
Move on to what???? The season is over, wake up and smell the coffee!! Top four has gone!!
Shame, but we were never going to go onto win the prem, so doesnât really matter in the scheme of things.
We have been dreadful and brilliant in equal measures this season, injuries, weather, head went against us today hopefully thatâs not the start of another bad run...
Very physical glos just exerted control they are down the table, but have had a lot of close run things so looked worse for them than they are.
This time next season weâll be millionaires, Next season Rodney my son
We have been dreadful and brilliant in equal measures this season, injuries, weather, head went against us today hopefully thatâs not the start of another bad run...
Very physical glos just exerted control they are down the table, but have had a lot of close run things so looked worse for them than they are.
This time next season weâll be millionaires, Next season Rodney my son
Quote:Saint KrisQuote:Ol'oneeye
The ref is just refereeing whats in front of him.... and whats in front of him is a gloucester team that's playing with energy, desire and commitment and also saints.....
Heâs not giving points for style but should be consistently applying the laws of the game. I am being subjective but I donât see consistency.
The challenge with refereeing union is that it's interpretation of the law. I agree that he appeared to be inconsistent (particularly at the scrum), today. But, and I am a Saints fan of quite a few years, i believe he was consistant in his application of his interpretation of the laws.....imo of course.
We did ourselves absolutely no favours also.
It is what it is and I would be massively disappointed if there was no reaction next week .
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We did ourselves absolutely no favours also.
It is what it is and I would be massively disappointed if there was no reaction next week .[/quote]
We can certainly agree on that!
We did ourselves absolutely no favours also.
It is what it is and I would be massively disappointed if there was no reaction next week .[/quote]
We can certainly agree on that!
Quote:Hollywood JKQuote:Coltnet
I literally think that they have to draw a line in the sand with that. Nothing functioned. Just call it poor and move on. The players know already youâd like to think.
Move on to what???? The season is over, wake up and smell the coffee!! Top four has gone!!
I agree about that. But I donât think apart from the line out you can say one part of the performance was worse than another. It was all bad. Need Wasps to do is a favour tomorrow.
Quote:Hollywood JKQuote:Coltnet
I literally think that they have to draw a line in the sand with that. Nothing functioned. Just call it poor and move on. The players know already youâd like to think.
Move on to what???? The season is over, wake up and smell the coffee!! Top four has gone!!
Move on to our lives, mate. It's a game, we lost and were terrible today, but there's more important things in life than being permanently angry cos' of a game (or at least there should be).
Quote:stoofer
Really disappointing to think we can get the mindset so wrong. From the first minute the tone was set. Who takes responsibility for mindset I wonder? Who are the leaders?
I really hope we fix this with recruitment. It just happens too regularly!
Sadly, Saints have seemed to lack the mindset and mental strength of top class winning teams for many years. It has and continues to be my main concern with this Rugby club.
We are capable of beating the top sides and clearly have talent. I never quite trust us enough though to perform consistently or have the ability (including mental ability) to win and possess good decision making in tight situations.
Quote:saint krigeQuote:Hollywood JKQuote:Coltnet
I literally think that they have to draw a line in the sand with that. Nothing functioned. Just call it poor and move on. The players know already youâd like to think.
Move on to what???? The season is over, wake up and smell the coffee!! Top four has gone!!
Move on to our lives, mate. It's a game, we lost and were terrible today, but there's more important things in life than being permanently angry cos' of a game (or at least there should be).
Letâs be clear, you ainât no mate of mine! Go sell crazy somewhere else, weâre fully stocked up here!! Suggest you keep your opinions to yourself if you donât like what you read!! đ¤
We were simply out played and out thought - they had a gameplan for US and we rocked up with no plan for THEM
We played so far from our potential and Glouc outplayed us in every facet of the game however I would rather lose playing badly than lose playing well. We all know that we can play much, much better than today which makes it all the more galling but I'm hoping that next week we see a strong response although I just noticed that Newcastle put 57 on Irish so aren't going to be a pushover.
Quote:Hollywood JKQuote:saint krigeQuote:Hollywood JKQuote:Coltnet
I literally think that they have to draw a line in the sand with that. Nothing functioned. Just call it poor and move on. The players know already youâd like to think.
Move on to what???? The season is over, wake up and smell the coffee!! Top four has gone!!
Move on to our lives, mate. It's a game, we lost and were terrible today, but there's more important things in life than being permanently angry cos' of a game (or at least there should be).
Letâs be clear, you ainât no mate of mine! Go sell crazy somewhere else, weâre fully stocked up here!! Suggest you keep your opinions to yourself if you donât like what you read!! đ¤
I bet you are the life and soul of the party arent you?
Yes it was a poor loss but the first in a long while so your reaction is well over the top. If you really want to be miserable, maybe you should support Worcester?
Quote:jimmies
We were simply out played and out thought - they had a gameplan for US and we rocked up with no plan for THEM
Totally agree. We need to give them credit for their commitment and execution.
There can be debatable decisions at scrums and rucks but what went wrong with the lineout?
The important thing is to demonstrate next week that this was an aberration.
Quote:SantiagoQuote:jimmies
We were simply out played and out thought - they had a gameplan for US and we rocked up with no plan for THEM
Totally agree. We need to give them credit for their commitment and execution.
There can be debatable decisions at scrums and rucks but what went wrong with the lineout?
The important thing is to demonstrate next week that this was an aberration.
+1
Glos turned up and played really well today - schooled us by getting in our faces and keeping the pressure up when a few things went wrong for us and on the cycle went. It was a classy show from them that was hard for us to watch and the boys probably found it very uncomfortable.
What's worse than today's performance is this thread. What a car crash to read and try to engage with.
Talk about falling back into old habits -
Saints play sh*te and we blame the ref....
Twas ever thus.
Saints play sh*te and we blame the ref....
Twas ever thus.
Quote:Longers
Talk about falling back into old habits -
Saints play sh*te and we blame the ref....
Twas ever thus.
Absolutely. But sadly totally predictable.
I think the loss of Nick Isiekwe is considerable as he has been our best forward this season and now returning to Saracens. We did not play well in second half v Leicester either and Biggar was on pitch.
Coaching team are going to have to resolve.
Team just did not turn up across the board today but game lost in the set piece. Suggest preparation was not right and this reflects the outcome. Coaches would know why.
Suggest 5th is probably our finishing position but dream to win the next 4
Coaching team are going to have to resolve.
Team just did not turn up across the board today but game lost in the set piece. Suggest preparation was not right and this reflects the outcome. Coaches would know why.
Suggest 5th is probably our finishing position but dream to win the next 4
We have the skills
We have the ability
Weâve proved it many times recently
What we seem to lack is mental strength
Thatâs what makes winners
We have the ability
Weâve proved it many times recently
What we seem to lack is mental strength
Thatâs what makes winners
The imponderable of sport, why seemingly full fit and well prepared a team doesnât perform. It would be boring if the perceived best team won every game. The best teams have off days but just have less. A bad week at the office move onto next week
Was out playing my fourth Rugby match of the season today and missed the match. Couldn't wait for the score then saw the comments here. I put myself in an HIA, but afterwards, nothing had changed, so it seems the match was 80 minutes of poopie. Similar to many matches last season.
So my query to the team is whether this is mostly down to the players or to Boyd. Boyd brought us one of the worst seasons in Saints history. This season with some key additions and young players developing in a most timely way, the teams has shown improvement. But Saints are still 9-up and 8-down (if i have that right) in non-Covid games played. so still mediocre. Who is responsible ( in the macro pov) what what needs to be done? I think we can factor Covid out of the equation because if effects th clubs in a similar manner. I am not sure the critical need is simply better players. So, what to do?
So my query to the team is whether this is mostly down to the players or to Boyd. Boyd brought us one of the worst seasons in Saints history. This season with some key additions and young players developing in a most timely way, the teams has shown improvement. But Saints are still 9-up and 8-down (if i have that right) in non-Covid games played. so still mediocre. Who is responsible ( in the macro pov) what what needs to be done? I think we can factor Covid out of the equation because if effects th clubs in a similar manner. I am not sure the critical need is simply better players. So, what to do?
Quote:Deesaint
We have the skills
We have the ability
Weâve proved it many times recently
What we seem to lack is mental strength
Thatâs what makes winners
We also have a young squad that will only strengthen.
We cannot buy - as the Cobblers tried - but we can develop. As Boyd is proving.
But as I said in an older thread, we are growing, and maybe next year will be too soon. But 22-23 we should expect solid performances. With no brain f*rts!
Quote:LongersQuote:Deesaint
We have the skills
We have the ability
Weâve proved it many times recently
What we seem to lack is mental strength
Thatâs what makes winners
We also have a young squad that will only strengthen.
We cannot buy - as the Cobblers tried - but we can develop. As Boyd is proving.
But as I said in an older thread, we are growing, and maybe next year will be too soon. But 22-23 we should expect solid performances. With no brain f*rts!
Todayâs pack age
Waller 31
Sam M 29
P Hill 26
Ribeye 26
API. 37
Woody 31
T. 27
LL 26
Not sure the âyoungâ element is appropriate today
I like Boyd and his approach
But, and itâs not just the present crop, saints have missed that mental strength that is needed to combat the frailties shown in todayâs game
Top 2 inches is so important
I think Api is only 34 (only?), but you make a good point.
We just keep doing this, and having done a great deal of hard work in previous weeks we take our foot of the gas and clearly underestimate Glaws. They were aggressive and in our faces from the off and we folded like a cheap suit. No reaction after half time either, which is concerning.
I have grown to really hate this co-capt. thing too. It really makes no sense to me at all. And we need to face the fact that for all his attributes Waller is a terrible captain. Thought he had an absolute mare first half today, and seems to have a habit of getting on the wrong side of refs too. Two priorities for me for next season are Leadership and lineout. Though I think we will have to recruit to fix both.
We just keep doing this, and having done a great deal of hard work in previous weeks we take our foot of the gas and clearly underestimate Glaws. They were aggressive and in our faces from the off and we folded like a cheap suit. No reaction after half time either, which is concerning.
I have grown to really hate this co-capt. thing too. It really makes no sense to me at all. And we need to face the fact that for all his attributes Waller is a terrible captain. Thought he had an absolute mare first half today, and seems to have a habit of getting on the wrong side of refs too. Two priorities for me for next season are Leadership and lineout. Though I think we will have to recruit to fix both.
Quote:Longers
Talk about falling back into old habits -
Saints play sh*te and we blame the ref....
Twas ever thus.
Spot on. A relative neutral who was watching the game said to me that the ref wasn't very good but that applied to both teams.
Well it should be an interesting debrief next week.
That would never have happened if we had a Dallaglio, Johnson, Lam, Dylan, Farrell type leader.
Equally, whilst well-intentioned, the week off back-fired.
Hopefully we learn. But that was bitterly disappointing.
That would never have happened if we had a Dallaglio, Johnson, Lam, Dylan, Farrell type leader.
Equally, whilst well-intentioned, the week off back-fired.
Hopefully we learn. But that was bitterly disappointing.
Agree about co-captains. I'm sure Waller is very integral off the field in the squad at-large, but he's not really an on field captain. Notable difference in how he and Lewis interact with the referee, thought Lewis was very good in that aspect today when Waller went off.
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Well it should be an interesting debrief next week.
That would never have happened if we had a Dallaglio, Johnson, Lam, Dylan, Farrell type leader.
It happened several times when we had Dylan, towards the end of Jim's reign. Those Saracens spankings? Leinster demolishing us at FG?
We as a club, tend to have these issues where we're just so flat in performance. I think S&C are also responsible for this.
I always expect this kind of performance when we play teams near the bottom of the league. How many times have we been the first club to loose to a bottom club. Also l trust the Furbank flyhalf has been firmly put to bed. I thought that had happened based on previous performances and was expecting Francis to move their.
I have just caught up on the game, but could see the way it was going after the two stupid early Waller penalties, we looked like a side who were owed a victory instead of earning one, very disappointing
Quote:chappers_saintQuote:Hollywood JKQuote:saint krigeQuote:Hollywood JKQuote:Coltnet
I literally think that they have to draw a line in the sand with that. Nothing functioned. Just call it poor and move on. The players know already youâd like to think.
Move on to what???? The season is over, wake up and smell the coffee!! Top four has gone!!
Move on to our lives, mate. It's a game, we lost and were terrible today, but there's more important things in life than being permanently angry cos' of a game (or at least there should be).
Letâs be clear, you ainât no mate of mine! Go sell crazy somewhere else, weâre fully stocked up here!! Suggest you keep your opinions to yourself if you donât like what you read!! đ¤
I bet you are the life and soul of the party arent you?
Yes it was a poor loss but the first in a long while so your reaction is well over the top. If you really want to be miserable, maybe you should support Worcester?
Blah blah, whatever. Carry on living with the fairies, if you think that performance was acceptable!! đ´đ´đ´
There are some very unnecessarily nasty comments in this thread.
I have to say that since the Saints stopped their own message board, that a site that was once civil, friendly, community spirited (Saints with Hearts) etc has become an imposter to what was originally created.
All through the coverage of the match, there was a graphic on every replay wipe effectively saying end online hate but some just canât help themselves... that message well and truly falling on deaf ears.
I feel desperately sorry for the editors as running this site must be extremely time consuming.... they must wonder why they bother.
I could say that âyou know who you areâ but I genuinely think the regular culprits are unaware that their insistence on telling everyone what we should all be thinking, is actually drying up honest debate because of the nasty vitriol that is bound to follow should anyone disagree.
Right, so Iâve pinned a target on my back, letâs see who the first is to have a go! I know who my money is on.
I think some ought to take stock a little.... it was a game of rugby.
I have to say that since the Saints stopped their own message board, that a site that was once civil, friendly, community spirited (Saints with Hearts) etc has become an imposter to what was originally created.
All through the coverage of the match, there was a graphic on every replay wipe effectively saying end online hate but some just canât help themselves... that message well and truly falling on deaf ears.
I feel desperately sorry for the editors as running this site must be extremely time consuming.... they must wonder why they bother.
I could say that âyou know who you areâ but I genuinely think the regular culprits are unaware that their insistence on telling everyone what we should all be thinking, is actually drying up honest debate because of the nasty vitriol that is bound to follow should anyone disagree.
Right, so Iâve pinned a target on my back, letâs see who the first is to have a go! I know who my money is on.
I think some ought to take stock a little.... it was a game of rugby.
I feel this board reflects the emotions of any saints supporter
Good discussion over team, tactics etc before the game. High hopes of a bonus point win
Frustrations aired during the game when things just didnât go right, emotions high, comments made reflecting the agony of watching your team self destruct
After game analysis with felling still raw ( Look at Boydâs comments â itâs what dog walkers carry around in a little bagâ )
Then as emotions and frustrations subside hope starts to build for the next game with an expectation that we will bounce back
I donât see much difference to how normal supporters act
Good discussion over team, tactics etc before the game. High hopes of a bonus point win
Frustrations aired during the game when things just didnât go right, emotions high, comments made reflecting the agony of watching your team self destruct
After game analysis with felling still raw ( Look at Boydâs comments â itâs what dog walkers carry around in a little bagâ )
Then as emotions and frustrations subside hope starts to build for the next game with an expectation that we will bounce back
I donât see much difference to how normal supporters act
Quote:CorkstQuote:Longers
Talk about falling back into old habits -
Saints play sh*te and we blame the ref....
Twas ever thus.
Spot on. A relative neutral who was watching the game said to me that the ref wasn't very good but that applied to both teams.
Heâs a poor ref and as my comment yesterday thatâs in no way using him as an excuse for the loss. Ive watched him in non Saints game with no axe to grind and have had the same opinion. Inconsistent in pinging for certain offences and then forgetting about them for the rest of the game, almost as if he has a tick list and once ticked moves on to another. He missed one of the most obvious offsides yesterday right in front of him and took the TJ to identify it. The Gloucester prop was about 5 yards in front of the rest of the defensive line. No real surprise that the end result is backchat and niggle between the players.
Gloucester despite their lowly league position have been no mugs, most of their early season losses were close games and only lost in final 10-15 mins. They are not a bad side and results have been better of late. Should we beat them at home absolutely, but itâs not the slam dunk 5 pointer a lot on here would have you believe
If my teachers were writing reports on the Saints players after yesterday's examination by Gloucester, there would be a string of N.S. comments.
The whole team seemed to be off the pace mentally and physically. Athletes who miss a week of training say that it takes 4 weeks to recover full fitness so perhaps it was not a good idea to give players a week off mid season?
Certainly some of the players seemed to running through treacle yesterday. Too many players looked out of sorts physically and mentally. I wonder if the players were flogged in training last week to make up for their week off, with insufficient time for recovery? In that case two weeks of normal training with no game last weekend might have been a better plan.
I suppose that yesterday's performance puts things into perspective. We were dreadful before Christmas, since then we have improved but not as much as we hoped and thought. Defence was better, thank goodness but the lineout, ball retention, scrum, handling and kicking were back to early season standards.
Maybe a silver lining will be that with top 4 gone maybe James, Dingers and Harry will get a chance to play in a run of games?
The whole team seemed to be off the pace mentally and physically. Athletes who miss a week of training say that it takes 4 weeks to recover full fitness so perhaps it was not a good idea to give players a week off mid season?
Certainly some of the players seemed to running through treacle yesterday. Too many players looked out of sorts physically and mentally. I wonder if the players were flogged in training last week to make up for their week off, with insufficient time for recovery? In that case two weeks of normal training with no game last weekend might have been a better plan.
I suppose that yesterday's performance puts things into perspective. We were dreadful before Christmas, since then we have improved but not as much as we hoped and thought. Defence was better, thank goodness but the lineout, ball retention, scrum, handling and kicking were back to early season standards.
Maybe a silver lining will be that with top 4 gone maybe James, Dingers and Harry will get a chance to play in a run of games?
Spot on Walks. Tempest is clueless but talking about him simply deflects from the real issue - which is us!
We are not as good as many on here believe we are. I think thereâs a top 2 (3 with Sarries). Big gap then the next 2/3 (Sale/Q/maybe Bath). Bottom 1 (Wuss). Then the other 6 (which includes us) are very close and any team could beat any other team.
This Board was guilty of underestimating Glaws and it looks like the team was also. Taking a form line through Ulster would suggest a very close match up. Take a look at their best 23 (they had more missing than we did yesterday) and compare it with ours. You could make a very strong case for them.
When weâre good weâre very good - when weâre poor weâre very poor - and we are poor far too often.
We are not as good as many on here believe we are. I think thereâs a top 2 (3 with Sarries). Big gap then the next 2/3 (Sale/Q/maybe Bath). Bottom 1 (Wuss). Then the other 6 (which includes us) are very close and any team could beat any other team.
This Board was guilty of underestimating Glaws and it looks like the team was also. Taking a form line through Ulster would suggest a very close match up. Take a look at their best 23 (they had more missing than we did yesterday) and compare it with ours. You could make a very strong case for them.
When weâre good weâre very good - when weâre poor weâre very poor - and we are poor far too often.
The club has always had a soft underbelly, does it come from the fans accepting too much mediocrity? The board? Dunno
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Quote:TommySaint
The club has always had a soft underbelly, does it come from the fans accepting too much mediocrity? The board? Dunno
Iâm always interested in this view. What would fans not accepting mediocrity look like??
Church's Stand - Block 20 - Row Q - Seat 700
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Manchester United? Tigers?
Theyâve both had a bad period but you know theyâll come back and win stuff again. Theyâre winners.
Theyâve both had a bad period but you know theyâll come back and win stuff again. Theyâre winners.
Quote:TommySaint
Manchester United? Tigers?
Theyâve both had a bad period but you know theyâll come back and win stuff again. Theyâre winners.
I mean what can fans do to not accept so called mediocrity? Not turn up? Is that what we think Tigers and Man Utd fans would do?
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Quote:Saint.Kenneth
There are some very unnecessarily nasty comments in this thread.
I have to say that since the Saints stopped their own message board, that a site that was once civil, friendly, community spirited (Saints with Hearts) etc has become an imposter to what was originally created.
All through the coverage of the match, there was a graphic on every replay wipe effectively saying end online hate but some just canât help themselves... that message well and truly falling on deaf ears.
I feel desperately sorry for the editors as running this site must be extremely time consuming.... they must wonder why they bother.
I could say that âyou know who you areâ but I genuinely think the regular culprits are unaware that their insistence on telling everyone what we should all be thinking, is actually drying up honest debate because of the nasty vitriol that is bound to follow should anyone disagree.
Right, so Iâve pinned a target on my back, letâs see who the first is to have a go! I know who my money is on.
I think some ought to take stock a little.... it was a game of rugby.
To be fair I agree with some of what you say here and there have been some really good contributors who no longer post/visit but the fact is when the rabble moved here from the saints official forum (myself included) they found a place where even a mild criticism of the team/ coaches was pounced on as heresy. Also there was a certain ex player's brother who was constantly telling people what they should be thinking and woe betide anyone that disagreed with him.
The mentality of the fans is interesting. A good few years ago now I was at the match where we got relegated and a friend of mine had his brother down for the weekend, he was Hull league fan.
At the end of the game people stood around and applauded the team that had been relegated, his response could not be posted on here but basically it was the response would not have been the same in Hull.
We still have many on here who will defend all sorts of poor performance and will defend virtually any rubbish and jump on anyone who dares to question anything.
Is that the biggest problem at the club, almost certainly not, does it contribute, who knows?
At the end of the game people stood around and applauded the team that had been relegated, his response could not be posted on here but basically it was the response would not have been the same in Hull.
We still have many on here who will defend all sorts of poor performance and will defend virtually any rubbish and jump on anyone who dares to question anything.
Is that the biggest problem at the club, almost certainly not, does it contribute, who knows?
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Well it should be an interesting debrief next week.
That would never have happened if we had a Dallaglio, Johnson, Lam, Dylan, Farrell type leader.
It happened several times when we had Dylan, towards the end of Jim's reign. Those Saracens spankings? Leinster demolishing us at FG?
We as a club, tend to have these issues where we're just so flat in performance. I think S&C are also responsible for this.
I think you have a point re S & C. We have not been as strong in this area since The Hood was in charge. Although if I recall correctly he went to Worcesters so S & C on its own is clearly not enough.
Quote:Sans CulottesQuote:saint krigeQuote:Saint Maul
Well it should be an interesting debrief next week.
That would never have happened if we had a Dallaglio, Johnson, Lam, Dylan, Farrell type leader.
It happened several times when we had Dylan, towards the end of Jim's reign. Those Saracens spankings? Leinster demolishing us at FG?
We as a club, tend to have these issues where we're just so flat in performance. I think S&C are also responsible for this.
I think you have a point re S & C. We have not been as strong in this area since The Hood was in charge. Although if I recall correctly he went to Worcesters so S & C on its own is clearly not enough.
Think he's with Cov now. We certainly do seem quite a bit smaller/lightweight than most other sides, but it's more we have these games where we just look completely flat...perhaps not enough or too much S&C in the week? Either way we looked unprepared.
An outsiders view was that you didn't turn up at the start of the game and you were then playing catch up, I recognise this as we did exactly the same on Friday night. Mental preparation is something missing from both our sides at the moment, on field leadership problem maybe?
It must be incredibly tough to bring the highest level of intensity/focus etc. week in week out. Very few people have a job that requires this - this is one of the reasons why some professional sports people really struggle with 'normal' life after their career is over.
Quote:ajack
The mentality of the fans is interesting. A good few years ago now I was at the match where we got relegated and a friend of mine had his brother down for the weekend, he was Hull league fan.
At the end of the game people stood around and applauded the team that had been relegated, his response could not be posted on here but basically it was the response would not have been the same in Hull.
We still have many on here who will defend all sorts of poor performance and will defend virtually any rubbish and jump on anyone who dares to question anything.
Is that the biggest problem at the club, almost certainly not, does it contribute, who knows?
100% agree with this post. When you have the likes of St Krige defending yesterdayâs performance, when even Boyd said it was totally unacceptable, what expectation is there on the players!! Mediocrity is acceptable for too many supporters who have very little ambition!!
The mentality of supporters should have no effect on a team. Every team Iâve played for, Iâve wanted to win for me and my brothers on the pitch. In my opinion nothing else should come into it, thatâs what rugby is about. Every game you should go out and want to smash your opponents, I even remember going through an entire season without a win, that attitude never changed, we were just @#$%& as a team
Quote:Hollywood JKQuote:ajack
The mentality of the fans is interesting. A good few years ago now I was at the match where we got relegated and a friend of mine had his brother down for the weekend, he was Hull league fan.
At the end of the game people stood around and applauded the team that had been relegated, his response could not be posted on here but basically it was the response would not have been the same in Hull.
We still have many on here who will defend all sorts of poor performance and will defend virtually any rubbish and jump on anyone who dares to question anything.
Is that the biggest problem at the club, almost certainly not, does it contribute, who knows?
100% agree with this post. When you have the likes of St Krige defending yesterdayâs performance, when even Boyd said it was totally unacceptable, what expectation is there on the players!! Mediocrity is acceptable for too many supporters who have very little ambition!!
This board is bananas. A little while back I was accused of being a closet Tigers fan as I was always "harsh on the team", now I'm allegedly liable for the players' performance yesterday because I didn't call for their heads?
Jeez.
Quote:Hollywood JKQuote:ajack
The mentality of the fans is interesting. A good few years ago now I was at the match where we got relegated and a friend of mine had his brother down for the weekend, he was Hull league fan.
At the end of the game people stood around and applauded the team that had been relegated, his response could not be posted on here but basically it was the response would not have been the same in Hull.
We still have many on here who will defend all sorts of poor performance and will defend virtually any rubbish and jump on anyone who dares to question anything.
Is that the biggest problem at the club, almost certainly not, does it contribute, who knows?
100% agree with this post. When you have the likes of St Krige defending yesterdayâs performance, when even Boyd said it was totally unacceptable, what expectation is there on the players!! Mediocrity is acceptable for too many supporters who have very little ambition!!
I donât know St Krige but if I met him outside of this forum I would probably buy him a beer and talk Saints for hours. That applies to everyone who is part of this community
OK Tommysaint can be an annoying pain in the backside but I would think a few hours in his company would be very enjoyable
Canât we just accept that sometimes people have different opinions and respect that without unnecessary attacks on individuals
Very few constants in life, but...
The sun will always rise in the morning,
The moon will appear in the evening,
The match day thread after a loss will be a @#$%& show
And thatâs just how sport is, after a loss, emotions run high
The sun will always rise in the morning,
The moon will appear in the evening,
The match day thread after a loss will be a @#$%& show
And thatâs just how sport is, after a loss, emotions run high
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The mentality of the fans is interesting. A good few years ago now I was at the match where we got relegated and a friend of mine had his brother down for the weekend, he was Hull league fan.
At the end of the game people stood around and applauded the team that had been relegated, his response could not be posted on here but basically it was the response would not have been the same in Hull.
We still have many on here who will defend all sorts of poor performance and will defend virtually any rubbish and jump on anyone who dares to question anything.
Is that the biggest problem at the club, almost certainly not, does it contribute, who knows?
100% agree with this post. When you have the likes of St Krige defending yesterdayâs performance, when even Boyd said it was totally unacceptable, what expectation is there on the players!! Mediocrity is acceptable for too many supporters who have very little ambition!!
I donât know St Krige but if I met him outside of this forum I would probably buy him a beer and talk Saints for hours. That applies to everyone who is part of this community
OK Tommysaint can be an annoying pain in the backside but I would think a few hours in his company would be very enjoyable
Canât we just accept that sometimes people have different opinions and respect that without unnecessary attacks on individuals
I can confirm i am a pain in the aris and a good laugh
Quote:DeesaintQuote:Hollywood JKQuote:ajack
The mentality of the fans is interesting. A good few years ago now I was at the match where we got relegated and a friend of mine had his brother down for the weekend, he was Hull league fan.
At the end of the game people stood around and applauded the team that had been relegated, his response could not be posted on here but basically it was the response would not have been the same in Hull.
We still have many on here who will defend all sorts of poor performance and will defend virtually any rubbish and jump on anyone who dares to question anything.
Is that the biggest problem at the club, almost certainly not, does it contribute, who knows?
100% agree with this post. When you have the likes of St Krige defending yesterdayâs performance, when even Boyd said it was totally unacceptable, what expectation is there on the players!! Mediocrity is acceptable for too many supporters who have very little ambition!!
I donât know St Krige but if I met him outside of this forum I would probably buy him a beer and talk Saints for hours. That applies to everyone who is part of this community
OK Tommysaint can be an annoying pain in the backside but I would think a few hours in his company would be very enjoyable
Canât we just accept that sometimes people have different opinions and respect that without unnecessary attacks on individuals
Mine's a Guinness
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Well said though, Dee.
Quote:Saint Ted
The mentality of supporters should have no effect on a team. Every team Iâve played for, Iâve wanted to win for me and my brothers on the pitch. In my opinion nothing else should come into it, thatâs what rugby is about. Every game you should go out and want to smash your opponents, I even remember going through an entire season without a win, that attitude never changed, we were just @#$%& as a team
That is an interesting point of view and one I largely agree with. However this season seems to have proved one thing that supporters really matter as home wins seem less common without a crowd.
I would have expected the home advantage to be more about travel, familiar surroundings, knowing the pitch and wind more than the fans. Clearly having a few thousand voices shout forward at the same time must influence officals however much they say otherwise. It would seem however the fans do influence the players more than I thought they would.
I think itâs two separate things Ajack.
Supporters point of view shouldnât in my opinion effect your attitude to a game, the attitude towards a match shouldnât change if your playing for the Lions, England, Saints or Old Fartonians 3rds. However playing in front of a crowd will help during a match, having 13,000 referees is always handy.
Your post about relegation is an interesting one. Got to admit, I clapped at the end of the match, but I think that was more of a show of solidarity and a show we were behind the team going forward more than anything else, we knew changes were being made and a new era was starting.
Supporters point of view shouldnât in my opinion effect your attitude to a game, the attitude towards a match shouldnât change if your playing for the Lions, England, Saints or Old Fartonians 3rds. However playing in front of a crowd will help during a match, having 13,000 referees is always handy.
Your post about relegation is an interesting one. Got to admit, I clapped at the end of the match, but I think that was more of a show of solidarity and a show we were behind the team going forward more than anything else, we knew changes were being made and a new era was starting.
Think captaincy need sorting. Waller gives away far to many penalties to be Captain.
We also need to release some of the average performers but the club has signed most until end of 2023 season so not expecting many changes to consistency in performance. Mallinder is not the answer as 15 is his only position now and he is 3rd choice. Unfortunately his defence not good enough for this level. Some of our recruitment decisions are just plain poor.
Boyd has 1 year left and I expect him and Frank's(just poor recruitment at 500k) will be on the same flight back to NZ next year.
The club may of improved abit after 4 years at the helm but I think we will still be a mid table team liable to a big defeat at any given moment.
The squad is unbalanced. So many 13's but few 12's etc. We play centers as wingers with no pace and what has happened to Big T as as player. 450k per annum.
The coaches are equally responsible for the loss and Nick I, a 22 year old on loan, has been our best player this season..
I think Saints just lack the funds to invest in quality or the board lack the stomach to move players on. The RFU hardly provide a good example of professional management.
Just frustrating...
We also need to release some of the average performers but the club has signed most until end of 2023 season so not expecting many changes to consistency in performance. Mallinder is not the answer as 15 is his only position now and he is 3rd choice. Unfortunately his defence not good enough for this level. Some of our recruitment decisions are just plain poor.
Boyd has 1 year left and I expect him and Frank's(just poor recruitment at 500k) will be on the same flight back to NZ next year.
The club may of improved abit after 4 years at the helm but I think we will still be a mid table team liable to a big defeat at any given moment.
The squad is unbalanced. So many 13's but few 12's etc. We play centers as wingers with no pace and what has happened to Big T as as player. 450k per annum.
The coaches are equally responsible for the loss and Nick I, a 22 year old on loan, has been our best player this season..
I think Saints just lack the funds to invest in quality or the board lack the stomach to move players on. The RFU hardly provide a good example of professional management.
Just frustrating...
We have to recognise that Gloucester came to FG with a clever game plan, pinning Saints back in their own half (or, too often, their own 22) and strangling any attempts to break out. Other teams will study this and recognise that, in wet conditions at least, the Saints struggle to cope in this situation.
Quote:Saint Ted
I think itâs two separate things Ajack.
Supporters point of view shouldnât in my opinion effect your attitude to a game, the attitude towards a match shouldnât change if your playing for the Lions, England, Saints or Old Fartonians 3rds. However playing in front of a crowd will help during a match, having 13,000 referees is always handy.
Your post about relegation is an interesting one. Got to admit, I clapped at the end of the match, but I think that was more of a show of solidarity and a show we were behind the team going forward more than anything else, we knew changes were being made and a new era was starting.
I think itâs about being in a cosy environment rather than a challenging one.
Quote:Corkst
To be fair I agree with some of what you say here and there have been some really good contributors who no longer post/visit but the fact is when the rabble moved here from the saints official forum (myself included) they found a place where even a mild criticism of the team/ coaches was pounced on as heresy. Also there was a certain ex player's brother who was constantly telling people what they should be thinking and woe betide anyone that disagreed with him.
I donât recognise the message board you describe Iâm afraid. I remember a board where collectively they raised tens of thousands of pounds for the BHF, organised picnics before matches, and quite often met up in Heroes before a match for a pint. I agree that Robby had some strong points, but he knew how to put them across without insulting everyone who disagreed. Beside, before the rise of (anti) social media, having a brother of a player being able to give inside info was very informative.
I wonder why the club stopped their own forum? From my own recollection it was because of the unnecessary hostility and nastiness that proved too hard to police. In my opinion, the migration of those posters onto this platform has just meant that those people who I enjoyed talking rugby with have moved on because that unpleasantness just moved to here instead.
Every thread is dominated by the same posters, constantly trying to âcorrectâ anyone elseâs position and point of view. You just have to go through this thread and see the personal put downs aimed at various people. I wouldnât even say they are a bunch of Keyboard Cowards, just obnoxious individuals who think they are permanently right.
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Well it should be an interesting debrief next week.
That would never have happened if we had a Dallaglio, Johnson, Lam, Dylan, Farrell type leader.
It happened several times when we had Dylan, towards the end of Jim's reign. Those Saracens spankings? Leinster demolishing us at FG?
We as a club, tend to have these issues where we're just so flat in performance. I think S&C are also responsible for this.
I think you have a point re S & C. We have not been as strong in this area since The Hood was in charge. Although if I recall correctly he went to Worcesters so S & C on its own is clearly not enough.
Think he's with Cov now. We certainly do seem quite a bit smaller/lightweight than most other sides, but it's more we have these games where we just look completely flat...perhaps not enough or too much S&C in the week? Either way we looked unprepared.
He's Managing Director I think - Cov now have the fittest Board that Companies House has ever recorded.
Where do those player salaries come from? I'd be surprised if either big T or Franks are anywhere near those numbers.
I do agree on the captaincy front, unless you've got McCaw's invisibility cloak it isn't ideal for the captain to play in a position that is likely to give away pens. I appreciate leadership will be shared in general but on the pitch it should be a single individual.
I do agree on the captaincy front, unless you've got McCaw's invisibility cloak it isn't ideal for the captain to play in a position that is likely to give away pens. I appreciate leadership will be shared in general but on the pitch it should be a single individual.
Quote:Saint.KennethQuote:Corkst
To be fair I agree with some of what you say here and there have been some really good contributors who no longer post/visit but the fact is when the rabble moved here from the saints official forum (myself included) they found a place where even a mild criticism of the team/ coaches was pounced on as heresy. Also there was a certain ex player's brother who was constantly telling people what they should be thinking and woe betide anyone that disagreed with him.
I donât recognise the message board you describe Iâm afraid. I remember a board where collectively they raised tens of thousands of pounds for the BHF, organised picnics before matches, and quite often met up in Heroes before a match for a pint. I agree that Robby had some strong points, but he knew how to put them across without insulting everyone who disagreed. Beside, before the rise of (anti) social media, having a brother of a player being able to give inside info was very informative.
I wonder why the club stopped their own forum? From my own recollection it was because of the unnecessary hostility and nastiness that proved too hard to police. In my opinion, the migration of those posters onto this platform has just meant that those people who I enjoyed talking rugby with have moved on because that unpleasantness just moved to here instead.
Every thread is dominated by the same posters, constantly trying to âcorrectâ anyone elseâs position and point of view. You just have to go through this thread and see the personal put downs aimed at various people. I wouldnât even say they are a bunch of Keyboard Cowards, just obnoxious individuals who think they are permanently right.
We all have our own reality.
In my reality COYS was a small group of predominantly old men (and a few ladies) who liked meeting up for an ale, built a small community with some nice witty content and communal stuff. That is all very positive.
However the closeness of the moderators to the Communications Director and some others at the club created a very sterile message board, with almost no interesting content about the rugby save for Broonie or Robby or Ajack with some technical stuff. (Wearmouth shut down the offy and sent people here because he was being criticised on there, and threw his toys out). Any questioning of the narrative on was shouted down, denounced as bad supporters and the rest.
The offy posters are of a younger demographic, not necessarily Northamptonshire based and are used to a more robust level of interaction. Someone on the more passive side like yourself may see that as rude, others that are surrounded by similar discussion on a daily basis like Dee see no problem with it.
As ever in life Iâm sure somewhere in the middle is the ideal mix but probably hard to achieve. I wouldnât call anyone an obnoxious individual based on their rugby message board content, thatâs clear a tiny sample of someoneâs output. I can guarantee that plenty of posters you dislike are actually lovely people.
After a loss as one poster is having a cup of tea by the fire watching Ant n Dec on a Saturday, another is at a house party downing beers and decided to vent on here. Both probably very decent people.
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Quote:Saint.KennethQuote:Corkst
To be fair I agree with some of what you say here and there have been some really good contributors who no longer post/visit but the fact is when the rabble moved here from the saints official forum (myself included) they found a place where even a mild criticism of the team/ coaches was pounced on as heresy. Also there was a certain ex player's brother who was constantly telling people what they should be thinking and woe betide anyone that disagreed with him.
I donât recognise the message board you describe Iâm afraid. I remember a board where collectively they raised tens of thousands of pounds for the BHF, organised picnics before matches, and quite often met up in Heroes before a match for a pint. I agree that Robby had some strong points, but he knew how to put them across without insulting everyone who disagreed. Beside, before the rise of (anti) social media, having a brother of a player being able to give inside info was very informative.
I wonder why the club stopped their own forum? From my own recollection it was because of the unnecessary hostility and nastiness that proved too hard to police. In my opinion, the migration of those posters onto this platform has just meant that those people who I enjoyed talking rugby with have moved on because that unpleasantness just moved to here instead.
Every thread is dominated by the same posters, constantly trying to âcorrectâ anyone elseâs position and point of view. You just have to go through this thread and see the personal put downs aimed at various people. I wouldnât even say they are a bunch of Keyboard Cowards, just obnoxious individuals who think they are permanently right.
Oh Saint Kenneth, stop talking all this sense will you. I find myself coming here much less frequently since the departure of a lot of well known names
Quote:Saint.Kenneth
There are some very unnecessarily nasty comments in this thread.
I have to say that since the Saints stopped their own message board, that a site that was once civil, friendly, community spirited (Saints with Hearts) etc has become an imposter to what was originally created.
All through the coverage of the match, there was a graphic on every replay wipe effectively saying end online hate but some just canât help themselves... that message well and truly falling on deaf ears.
I feel desperately sorry for the editors as running this site must be extremely time consuming.... they must wonder why they bother.
I could say that âyou know who you areâ but I genuinely think the regular culprits are unaware that their insistence on telling everyone what we should all be thinking, is actually drying up honest debate because of the nasty vitriol that is bound to follow should anyone disagree.
Right, so Iâve pinned a target on my back, letâs see who the first is to have a go! I know who my money is on.
I think some ought to take stock a little.... it was a game of rugby.
Kenneth
Youâll notice no-one had a go at you, or ever has from memory.
To help us out would you be kind enough please to identify the posts you find offensive so that those who have offended you will know for future reference? Please highlight each one with an explanation, it is much more useful than non specifics. Thank you.
Dear TommySaint,
I'm sure you are more than able to re-read some of the content in this thread and find instances of when the discussions between posters (often between people who don't actually know each other personally) falls below the standards that most would describe as normal for conversations between adults.
I'm dreadfully sorry that I am of such an old age that I can't lower my ideals to where rudeness can be simply described as "robust interaction". Is that the modern way of saying impolite? It's a sad day when nastiness and discourteousness is encouraged to be the 'normal' way that we should all speak to one another.
In a previous post, you denigrated the closeness of previous editors to the former Saints' Communications Director, Chris Wearmouth. You may well be unaware that Chris was a regular poster on COYS and friend to many of the people who frequented the site long before he became the Communications Director.
You described COYS as a small group of people who liked to meet for ale, who built a small community with some nice witty content and communal stuff. Yep.... guilty 100% Unfortunately, the actions of newer posters (acting) in an obnoxious manner (you are correct, I have no idea if people are or are not obnoxious - my mistake) has destroyed that community.
I for one, miss that immensely and that's not just some old codger reminiscing about the good old days.... what's not to dislike about a bunch of like minded people enjoying chatting with each other during the week online, meeting up at the match and in the process, making a massive contribution to the local community by raising tens, if not over a hundred thousand pounds for the BHF after several members suffered heart attacks?
Actually, that's worth more than a couple of lines...... the walks in aid of the BHF were not only supported by the Saints, with members of the Barwell family taking part and players from the squad joining in as well, but ALL the other clubs supplied signed playing shirts to be auctioned across all of the connected rugby sites to help raise money. The instigators, Chris G, Rich, Paul Flatt and so many others that deserve to be listed, did something that was utterly amazing and did such a good deed in keeping with the heritage of the Saints club as being a massive part of the community. These days, it's just hard to keep a thread civil between contributors.
By the way.... I'm not sure if someone in their 40's is actually an old codger etc.... I just know that in my professional interactions, if I engaged with others in the manner that some do on here, then my company would suddenly lose all of its clients rather quickly.
It's little wonder why so many of the original posters no longer post on here.
I'm sure you are more than able to re-read some of the content in this thread and find instances of when the discussions between posters (often between people who don't actually know each other personally) falls below the standards that most would describe as normal for conversations between adults.
I'm dreadfully sorry that I am of such an old age that I can't lower my ideals to where rudeness can be simply described as "robust interaction". Is that the modern way of saying impolite? It's a sad day when nastiness and discourteousness is encouraged to be the 'normal' way that we should all speak to one another.
In a previous post, you denigrated the closeness of previous editors to the former Saints' Communications Director, Chris Wearmouth. You may well be unaware that Chris was a regular poster on COYS and friend to many of the people who frequented the site long before he became the Communications Director.
You described COYS as a small group of people who liked to meet for ale, who built a small community with some nice witty content and communal stuff. Yep.... guilty 100% Unfortunately, the actions of newer posters (acting) in an obnoxious manner (you are correct, I have no idea if people are or are not obnoxious - my mistake) has destroyed that community.
I for one, miss that immensely and that's not just some old codger reminiscing about the good old days.... what's not to dislike about a bunch of like minded people enjoying chatting with each other during the week online, meeting up at the match and in the process, making a massive contribution to the local community by raising tens, if not over a hundred thousand pounds for the BHF after several members suffered heart attacks?
Actually, that's worth more than a couple of lines...... the walks in aid of the BHF were not only supported by the Saints, with members of the Barwell family taking part and players from the squad joining in as well, but ALL the other clubs supplied signed playing shirts to be auctioned across all of the connected rugby sites to help raise money. The instigators, Chris G, Rich, Paul Flatt and so many others that deserve to be listed, did something that was utterly amazing and did such a good deed in keeping with the heritage of the Saints club as being a massive part of the community. These days, it's just hard to keep a thread civil between contributors.
By the way.... I'm not sure if someone in their 40's is actually an old codger etc.... I just know that in my professional interactions, if I engaged with others in the manner that some do on here, then my company would suddenly lose all of its clients rather quickly.
It's little wonder why so many of the original posters no longer post on here.
Wow that is one of the most powerful posts I have seen on here, either lately or back in the day. Well done St Kenneth.
I think youâve agreed with me on everything - I didnât denigrate anything, thatâs your perception. Yes I knew everything you mention. I agree no-one should get personal, the matchday thread always has heightened emotions. Many of those shouting on here after or during the game are probably the loudest people in the stadium creating the atmosphere that other clubs revere. Itâs passion.
I read some to and fro in the thread but nothing that bad, Ted would have banned people if so. I think youâre falling into the censorious trap of wanting people banned who are just not like you. Embrace the diversity!
I think you have to remember that not everyone on here wants to meet up and do the community thing or even live in Northants. Most just want to share ideas on rugby with Saints fans.
Thereâs a thread below about psyche which talks about the soft underbelly, that soft underbelly was personified by the COYS happy clapper supporters who represent a very small minority of supporter and at one time had too much influence on the club IMHO.
I forgot to say that the charity work is and was absolutely admirable and a great thing.
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I read some to and fro in the thread but nothing that bad, Ted would have banned people if so. I think youâre falling into the censorious trap of wanting people banned who are just not like you. Embrace the diversity!
I think you have to remember that not everyone on here wants to meet up and do the community thing or even live in Northants. Most just want to share ideas on rugby with Saints fans.
Thereâs a thread below about psyche which talks about the soft underbelly, that soft underbelly was personified by the COYS happy clapper supporters who represent a very small minority of supporter and at one time had too much influence on the club IMHO.
I forgot to say that the charity work is and was absolutely admirable and a great thing.
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My advice would be to reach out to those people, assuming they are still friends? Set up a WhatsApp group together or Facebook group? Arrange to meet up before games? Restart the charity walks?
Everything youâve described that you want is at the tips of your fingers with technology.
Itâs no good coming on a weekly basis to this site and moaning about people. I think itâs much more engaging on a rugby basis than before but it isnât a community. Horses for courses, donât let it get you down!
Remember young people have been locked down for over a year. All that energy, not being able to see friends, create relationships, studies disrupted, work prospects bleak - itâs morally surprise stuff spills over onto here sometimes.
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Everything youâve described that you want is at the tips of your fingers with technology.
Itâs no good coming on a weekly basis to this site and moaning about people. I think itâs much more engaging on a rugby basis than before but it isnât a community. Horses for courses, donât let it get you down!
Remember young people have been locked down for over a year. All that energy, not being able to see friends, create relationships, studies disrupted, work prospects bleak - itâs morally surprise stuff spills over onto here sometimes.
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Quote:Saint.Kenneth
Dear TommySaint,
I'm sure you are more than able to re-read some of the content in this thread and find instances of when the discussions between posters (often between people who don't actually know each other personally) falls below the standards that most would describe as normal for conversations between adults.
I'm dreadfully sorry that I am of such an old age that I can't lower my ideals to where rudeness can be simply described as "robust interaction". Is that the modern way of saying impolite? It's a sad day when nastiness and discourteousness is encouraged to be the 'normal' way that we should all speak to one another.
In a previous post, you denigrated the closeness of previous editors to the former Saints' Communications Director, Chris Wearmouth. You may well be unaware that Chris was a regular poster on COYS and friend to many of the people who frequented the site long before he became the Communications Director.
You described COYS as a small group of people who liked to meet for ale, who built a small community with some nice witty content and communal stuff. Yep.... guilty 100% Unfortunately, the actions of newer posters (acting) in an obnoxious manner (you are correct, I have no idea if people are or are not obnoxious - my mistake) has destroyed that community.
I for one, miss that immensely and that's not just some old codger reminiscing about the good old days.... what's not to dislike about a bunch of like minded people enjoying chatting with each other during the week online, meeting up at the match and in the process, making a massive contribution to the local community by raising tens, if not over a hundred thousand pounds for the BHF after several members suffered heart attacks?
Actually, that's worth more than a couple of lines...... the walks in aid of the BHF were not only supported by the Saints, with members of the Barwell family taking part and players from the squad joining in as well, but ALL the other clubs supplied signed playing shirts to be auctioned across all of the connected rugby sites to help raise money. The instigators, Chris G, Rich, Paul Flatt and so many others that deserve to be listed, did something that was utterly amazing and did such a good deed in keeping with the heritage of the Saints club as being a massive part of the community. These days, it's just hard to keep a thread civil between contributors.
By the way.... I'm not sure if someone in their 40's is actually an old codger etc.... I just know that in my professional interactions, if I engaged with others in the manner that some do on here, then my company would suddenly lose all of its clients rather quickly.
It's little wonder why so many of the original posters no longer post on here.
I re-read the comments when you first raised this, I found one which you may have been talking about, but it was hardly as you describe and your original post seemed completely disproportionate for that one comment. I would love to know what other comments were missed, as I assume (given your aired frustration) you were talking in plural?
You describe the previous years on this board as a harmonious place full of friends and acquaintances swigging ale together, it sounds wonderful, but isn't a private group (WhatsApp for example) more suitable for that? An open forum should attract differing opinions and people from all walks of life? I know many Saints fans of all different classes, with differing interests, perspectives etc and I personally would love to see more of broader demographic on this site. I don't think this is what the 'regulars' would like and therein lies the issue imo.
I happen to know Mr.Flatt's son very well, so I'm aware of his father's (and others') fantastic contributions and fundraising for the local community, I think everyone applauds such noble endeavours, instead of reminiscing about what has been, I hope this forum attracts a young audience who will be able to carry on that community work for years to come, surely that should be the aim?
The point about only just emerging from a long lockdown is also relevant, I am sure it has affected many people, including posters on here. I think a certain amount of tolerance should probably be extended by all posters to one another tbh.
[quote TommySaint][quote Saint.Kenneth][quote Corkst]
I wonder why the club stopped their own forum? From my own recollection it was because of the unnecessary hostility and nastiness that proved too hard to police.
However the closeness of the moderators to the Communications Director and some others at the club created a very sterile message board, with almost no interesting content about the rugby
(Wearmouth shut down the offy and sent people here because he was being criticised on there, and threw his toys out). Any questioning of the narrative on was shouted down, denounced as bad supporters and the rest.
It was actually a Board decision to close down the old forum when the new website was established. It was felt that going with the same network as other clubs would be more consistent across the organisation.
So it wasn't Chris that shut down the offy because he was being critcised & he certainly didn't throw his toys out. All 3 moderators of that forum received nothing but support from him & we seem to recall it was the usual suspects doing the "shouting down", much as it is on this forum today.
I wonder why the club stopped their own forum? From my own recollection it was because of the unnecessary hostility and nastiness that proved too hard to police.
However the closeness of the moderators to the Communications Director and some others at the club created a very sterile message board, with almost no interesting content about the rugby
(Wearmouth shut down the offy and sent people here because he was being criticised on there, and threw his toys out). Any questioning of the narrative on was shouted down, denounced as bad supporters and the rest.
It was actually a Board decision to close down the old forum when the new website was established. It was felt that going with the same network as other clubs would be more consistent across the organisation.
So it wasn't Chris that shut down the offy because he was being critcised & he certainly didn't throw his toys out. All 3 moderators of that forum received nothing but support from him & we seem to recall it was the usual suspects doing the "shouting down", much as it is on this forum today.
[quote Happywifehappylife][quote TommySaint][quote Saint.Kenneth][quote Corkst]
I wonder why the club stopped their own forum? From my own recollection it was because of the unnecessary hostility and nastiness that proved too hard to police.
However the closeness of the moderators to the Communications Director and some others at the club created a very sterile message board, with almost no interesting content about the rugby
(Wearmouth shut down the offy and sent people here because he was being criticised on there, and threw his toys out). Any questioning of the narrative on was shouted down, denounced as bad supporters and the rest.
It was actually a Board decision to close down the old forum when the new website was established. It was felt that going with the same network as other clubs would be more consistent across the organisation.
So it wasn't Chris that shut down the offy because he was being critcised & he certainly didn't throw his toys out. All 3 moderators of that forum received nothing but support from him & we seem to recall it was the usual suspects doing the "shouting down", much as it is on this forum today.[/quote]
Ok if thatâs true I stand corrected
I wonder why the club stopped their own forum? From my own recollection it was because of the unnecessary hostility and nastiness that proved too hard to police.
However the closeness of the moderators to the Communications Director and some others at the club created a very sterile message board, with almost no interesting content about the rugby
(Wearmouth shut down the offy and sent people here because he was being criticised on there, and threw his toys out). Any questioning of the narrative on was shouted down, denounced as bad supporters and the rest.
It was actually a Board decision to close down the old forum when the new website was established. It was felt that going with the same network as other clubs would be more consistent across the organisation.
So it wasn't Chris that shut down the offy because he was being critcised & he certainly didn't throw his toys out. All 3 moderators of that forum received nothing but support from him & we seem to recall it was the usual suspects doing the "shouting down", much as it is on this forum today.[/quote]
Ok if thatâs true I stand corrected
This would be probably the only time in the history of e-commerce or entertainment that a professional organisation has tried to move website viewers away from their site and the ways to stop engagement in their ecosystem.
Thatâs precisely the opposite of every sensible commercial e-commerce strategy on earth! Astonishing .....
Thatâs precisely the opposite of every sensible commercial e-commerce strategy on earth! Astonishing .....
"However the closeness of the moderators to the Communications Director and some others at the club created a very sterile message board,"
Denigrate meaning.... "to say that someone or something is not good" (Cambridge Dictionary)
The actions of some from the official message board are those of a cuckoo. Instead of leaving that website and starting their own, they've come onto this one and taken it over, to the extent that most of the original posters have left, or at least stopped contributing. To further the takeover, you now say that I should start a whatsapp group to talk on rather than the website I first frequented back in 1996?
If all this technology is at my fingertips, then surely it was equally at yours and you could have started your own website to preach your own views from.
As for the poor young people being locked up all year...... do you not think this global pandemic hasn't affected the older population? I will tell my next door neighbour that, I'm sure that will comfort the poor widower, given a year to live with terminal lung cancer back in January 2020 who has spent her last possible year of life, behind closed doors, sealed off from the world. Every generation has suffered.
I'm not advocating people being less passionate, I'm calling out what I see as damned right rudeness and offensiveness between grown ups. As for your assertion that those shouting on here are the ones that generate the atmosphere in the stadium, well that's simply another misinformed statement. The vast majority of the original contributors on COYS frequented the Gordon Terrace which then became the terrace at the front of the Church's. Most congregated right at the centre in C Block and were the ones that built the atmosphere. Their love and passion for the Saints is what made them start the message board. I was envious that they were the ones that went on the escapades all over Europe when the Saints were a true European force.
"I think youâre falling into the censorious trap of wanting people banned who are just not like you.".... I haven't asked for anything to be censored, I've purely requested that people should learn to interact with each other on a civil level without name calling and put downs. You put far to much belief in your posts or the posts of others that I would call for any of them to be censored. They are largely an irrelevance.
I'm just sick and tired of reading thread after thread where the conversation degenerates into name calling and slagging each other off. Did you not get it that sporting clubs came off social media for the long weekend because of the hostile way people behave online? Did you not see the subliminal message between every replay wipe on BT's coverage of our match saying to end the online hatred?
You and St Krige want this board to be more engaging and wish to attract differing opinions, then perhaps let others have an opinion without shouting them down or criticising it? You've had to start a new username on here and in the 27 days TommySaint has been active, you've posted 168 times!! Do you really have THAT much to say constructively on the Saints? Some on here are internet bullies, keyboard cowards, who love their own words rather than learn from the words of others.
Denigrate meaning.... "to say that someone or something is not good" (Cambridge Dictionary)
The actions of some from the official message board are those of a cuckoo. Instead of leaving that website and starting their own, they've come onto this one and taken it over, to the extent that most of the original posters have left, or at least stopped contributing. To further the takeover, you now say that I should start a whatsapp group to talk on rather than the website I first frequented back in 1996?
If all this technology is at my fingertips, then surely it was equally at yours and you could have started your own website to preach your own views from.
As for the poor young people being locked up all year...... do you not think this global pandemic hasn't affected the older population? I will tell my next door neighbour that, I'm sure that will comfort the poor widower, given a year to live with terminal lung cancer back in January 2020 who has spent her last possible year of life, behind closed doors, sealed off from the world. Every generation has suffered.
I'm not advocating people being less passionate, I'm calling out what I see as damned right rudeness and offensiveness between grown ups. As for your assertion that those shouting on here are the ones that generate the atmosphere in the stadium, well that's simply another misinformed statement. The vast majority of the original contributors on COYS frequented the Gordon Terrace which then became the terrace at the front of the Church's. Most congregated right at the centre in C Block and were the ones that built the atmosphere. Their love and passion for the Saints is what made them start the message board. I was envious that they were the ones that went on the escapades all over Europe when the Saints were a true European force.
"I think youâre falling into the censorious trap of wanting people banned who are just not like you.".... I haven't asked for anything to be censored, I've purely requested that people should learn to interact with each other on a civil level without name calling and put downs. You put far to much belief in your posts or the posts of others that I would call for any of them to be censored. They are largely an irrelevance.
I'm just sick and tired of reading thread after thread where the conversation degenerates into name calling and slagging each other off. Did you not get it that sporting clubs came off social media for the long weekend because of the hostile way people behave online? Did you not see the subliminal message between every replay wipe on BT's coverage of our match saying to end the online hatred?
You and St Krige want this board to be more engaging and wish to attract differing opinions, then perhaps let others have an opinion without shouting them down or criticising it? You've had to start a new username on here and in the 27 days TommySaint has been active, you've posted 168 times!! Do you really have THAT much to say constructively on the Saints? Some on here are internet bullies, keyboard cowards, who love their own words rather than learn from the words of others.
Thatâs called conversation.
Cuckoo analogy is completely wrong. These were dogs whose home was destroyed, they were anaesthetised and dropped into a house of cats. They started chasing after the cats. Any wonder that didnât work out, blame the decision makers.
Wrt the old site that is your reality. In mine and others, anyone with a vaguely contentious view point was shouted down. To the point of being barracked and told theyâre not a true supporter. It was a small clique who shut down any interesting debate about players, coaches, the board or anything that suggested Saints could be improved. Lots of in jokes, lots of threads that werenât inclusive to anyone outside the group. It was a problem. Do you remember the bullying and treatment Eif received on a weekly basis?
I agree with you on being civil.
I understand what youâre saying but in doing so youâre actually sowing division (COYS vs Offy, we are nice you are bad). Instead, on threads reply saying âthatâs uncalled forâ or similar. Just call it out specifically. If you could do so on this matchday thread im sure that would help. If you could show me one instance where Iâve shouted you down that would help too.
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Cuckoo analogy is completely wrong. These were dogs whose home was destroyed, they were anaesthetised and dropped into a house of cats. They started chasing after the cats. Any wonder that didnât work out, blame the decision makers.
Wrt the old site that is your reality. In mine and others, anyone with a vaguely contentious view point was shouted down. To the point of being barracked and told theyâre not a true supporter. It was a small clique who shut down any interesting debate about players, coaches, the board or anything that suggested Saints could be improved. Lots of in jokes, lots of threads that werenât inclusive to anyone outside the group. It was a problem. Do you remember the bullying and treatment Eif received on a weekly basis?
I agree with you on being civil.
I understand what youâre saying but in doing so youâre actually sowing division (COYS vs Offy, we are nice you are bad). Instead, on threads reply saying âthatâs uncalled forâ or similar. Just call it out specifically. If you could do so on this matchday thread im sure that would help. If you could show me one instance where Iâve shouted you down that would help too.
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Slight smile when posters raise an issue of lengthy threads containing divide and arguments
Then engage in the same
Going back to when I first engaged on this board I do remember there being a close group of individuals that had outside interests including some fantastic work for charity
However it was such a closed group that it was impossible for anyone new to the board to be part of that club.
This was highlighted by numerous threads around â cliqueâ
and partisan circling of the wagons
If definitely wasnât all harmonious but any falling out was accepted because â itâs good ole Robbyâ or like
Time moves on things change
Have to find a way to live with it and stop howling at the moon
If I was to bring anything back it would be an injection of humour
It is sadly lacking
Where is that Red Saint đ¤Ł
Then engage in the same
Going back to when I first engaged on this board I do remember there being a close group of individuals that had outside interests including some fantastic work for charity
However it was such a closed group that it was impossible for anyone new to the board to be part of that club.
This was highlighted by numerous threads around â cliqueâ
and partisan circling of the wagons
If definitely wasnât all harmonious but any falling out was accepted because â itâs good ole Robbyâ or like
Time moves on things change
Have to find a way to live with it and stop howling at the moon
If I was to bring anything back it would be an injection of humour
It is sadly lacking
Where is that Red Saint đ¤Ł
Remind me TommySaint why your profile on here is less than a month old and to why, out of all the clubs that remain on sportsnetwork, we seem to be the only one that has a sticky thread entitled "Warnings and Bans"?
"anyone with a vaguely contentious view point was shouted down." you would have to be deluded to think that that isn't prevalent on this site.
Glad you agree on being civil, but as for 'calling out' those that are not..... well the whole point of my insertion to this thread is exactly that point. However, do you not think that people are old enough to self police? Do you not think that posters are able to talk with civility and decency to one another without anyone having to police it? Shame on all of you that can't hold a conversation regarding rugby, where our opinions will change not one thing that Chris Boyd and the squad do, in a respectful manner?
I love the post above...."No point in replying to Hollywood... He/She has zero credibility" So in one sentence we have a poster saying that another person's point of view is irrelevant and laughably infers that their own position is far superior and their words should be listened to. Do you think that that is the correct way contributors should be speaking with each other?
I'm leaving this thread now.... I'm bored of conversing with you Tommy about all this and I'm pretty sure that others are equally bored of what I have to say. If the posters and readers of the site wish for it to continue in the way it is, then so be it. I hope that others don't and that they wish that the standard of debate and discussion was improved, put forward with eloquence and manners. One hopes that in future, those with so much to say, actually have something worth reading. From my own experiences, it is some of those now 'regular' posters who are turning me more and more away from this site with their hostile, nasty, bickering posts with nothing of any value in their words.
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"anyone with a vaguely contentious view point was shouted down." you would have to be deluded to think that that isn't prevalent on this site.
Glad you agree on being civil, but as for 'calling out' those that are not..... well the whole point of my insertion to this thread is exactly that point. However, do you not think that people are old enough to self police? Do you not think that posters are able to talk with civility and decency to one another without anyone having to police it? Shame on all of you that can't hold a conversation regarding rugby, where our opinions will change not one thing that Chris Boyd and the squad do, in a respectful manner?
I love the post above...."No point in replying to Hollywood... He/She has zero credibility" So in one sentence we have a poster saying that another person's point of view is irrelevant and laughably infers that their own position is far superior and their words should be listened to. Do you think that that is the correct way contributors should be speaking with each other?
I'm leaving this thread now.... I'm bored of conversing with you Tommy about all this and I'm pretty sure that others are equally bored of what I have to say. If the posters and readers of the site wish for it to continue in the way it is, then so be it. I hope that others don't and that they wish that the standard of debate and discussion was improved, put forward with eloquence and manners. One hopes that in future, those with so much to say, actually have something worth reading. From my own experiences, it is some of those now 'regular' posters who are turning me more and more away from this site with their hostile, nasty, bickering posts with nothing of any value in their words.
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That quote from Krige is precisely a type of COYS reply to people criticising the team. I think their opinion is valid but equally itâs OK for others to question their consistency when they rant after every loss in hyperbolic terms
You didnât direct anything at me on this thread, because I did nothing wrong, but I decided to reach out and reply to you to work out your issues, out of respect. I said I understand and I totally agree with you. Instead of offering anything vaguely conciliatory in reply you doubled down suggesting posters should be shut down (exactly the thing you seek to prevent). Maybe reflect on that.
Good luck Kenneth, keep smiling
You didnât direct anything at me on this thread, because I did nothing wrong, but I decided to reach out and reply to you to work out your issues, out of respect. I said I understand and I totally agree with you. Instead of offering anything vaguely conciliatory in reply you doubled down suggesting posters should be shut down (exactly the thing you seek to prevent). Maybe reflect on that.
Good luck Kenneth, keep smiling
Kenneth, your post has actually just deteriorated in to what you said you hate about this board. Why is their any need to publicly state that Tommy's profile is new, how many posts it has in X days? Or to "remind you" why it was created? This is gaslighting.
If one poster could be described as a keyboard warrior (which you claim to oppose) Hollywood would probably be the closest to it, never posts after a win or to post something positive, yet is the first to call for players/coaches to be sacked after a loss (this is a consistent pattern) and that is exactly the type of thing clubs were protesting against last weekend with the social media blackout. Calling for people to be sacked on a regular basis is unfair, unbalanced and hardly constructive.
My take from this is, that older members on here believe they have some enshrined right to decide who can & cannot post. The fact you've been posting since 1996 is admirable, but why should that mean someone born in 1996 has less right to post than you?
If people are wanting a private members club, then perhaps the Cheyne Walk club is a better location than an open forum that is surely meant to encourage and welcome new members?
If one poster could be described as a keyboard warrior (which you claim to oppose) Hollywood would probably be the closest to it, never posts after a win or to post something positive, yet is the first to call for players/coaches to be sacked after a loss (this is a consistent pattern) and that is exactly the type of thing clubs were protesting against last weekend with the social media blackout. Calling for people to be sacked on a regular basis is unfair, unbalanced and hardly constructive.
My take from this is, that older members on here believe they have some enshrined right to decide who can & cannot post. The fact you've been posting since 1996 is admirable, but why should that mean someone born in 1996 has less right to post than you?
If people are wanting a private members club, then perhaps the Cheyne Walk club is a better location than an open forum that is surely meant to encourage and welcome new members?
Rather than let this escalate any further than it needs to, I have decided to close this thread to further responses
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