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Saints v Munster 18th January 2025 - Teams Up
By Saint Ted
January 17 2025
This is the Northampton Saints v Munster match day thread
Who: Northampton Saints v Munster
Where: Franklins Gardens
When: Saturday 18th January 2025; 15:15
How do I watch: Premier Sports 2
Tickets: SOLD OUT
Match day info: Guide to the Gardens
Saints take: Saints O'ffy
Munsters Take: Munster O'ffy
Officials:
Referee: Nika Amashukeli (Geo)
Assistant referees: Saba Abulashvili (Geo) & Rhys Jones (Wal)
TMO: Marius van der Westhuizen (SA)
Teams:
| Northampton Saints | Munster | |
| James Ramm | 15 | Mike Haley |
| Tommy Freeman | 14 | Calvin Nash |
| Fraser Dingwall (c) | 13 | Tom Farrell |
| Rory Hutchinson | 12 | Rory Scannell |
| Tom Seabrook | 11 | Diarmuid Kilgallen |
| Fin Smith | 10 | Jack Crowley |
| Alex Mitchell | 9 | Conor Murray |
| Tarek Haffar | 1 | Dian Bleuler |
| Curtis Langdon | 2 | Diarmuid Barron |
| Trevor Davison | 3 | Oli Jager |
| Alex Coles | 4 | Fineen Wycherley |
| Tom Lockett | 5 | Tadhg Beirne (C) |
| Josh Kemeny | 6 | Peter O’Mahony |
| Tom Pearson | 7 | Alex Kendellen |
| Juarno Augustus | 8 | Gavin Coombes |
| Replacements: | ||
| Henry Walker | 16 | Niall Scannell |
| Tom West | 17 | John Ryan |
| Luke Green | 18 | Stephen Archer |
| Callum Hunter-Hill | 19 | Tom Ahern |
| Angus Scott-Young | 20 | Jack O’Donoghue |
| Henry Pollock | 21 | Paddy Patterson |
| Tom James | 22 | Tony Butler |
| Tom Litchfield | 23 | Brian Gleeson |
Not available for selection:
Emeka Atuanya, George Furbank, Sam Graham, George Hendy, Emmanuel Iyogun, Temo Mayanavanua, Chunya Munga, Burger Odendaal, Toby Thame, Ollie Sleightholme and Robbie Smith.
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Discussion started by Marching On , 17/01/2025 13:10
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Strongest squad we could put out with our injuries
Coooome onnn you saaaaints!
Coooome onnn you saaaaints!
A strong Munster side, we’re 6:2 again with power and pace off the bench in Angus and Henry. Thankful our backs are both incredibly cohesive and flexible allowing cover from just the two Toms.
As an aside, I’m concerned with sucession planning, the U18 side is distinctly lacking in Toms!!!
As an aside, I’m concerned with sucession planning, the U18 side is distinctly lacking in Toms!!!
Always concerning when the team announcement is delayed well beyond noon. Is this indicative of last minute selection issues? 😬
Quote:FatAlan
Always concerning when the team announcement is delayed well beyond noon. Is this indicative of last minute selection issues? 😬
I believe the announcement time is 13:00 for the European matches. Nothing sinister!
Quote:MatthewQuote:FatAlan
Always concerning when the team announcement is delayed well beyond noon. Is this indicative of last minute selection issues? 😬
I believe the announcement time is 13:00 for the European matches. Nothing sinister!
This is correct, all the European team announcements are 13:00 in the UK, prem and prem cup 12:00
..and there’s me imagining Dowson quickly scribbling down the starting lineup on the back of a fag packet with 30 seconds to go! 😂
Tom James back from exile. Similar to EMM, we haven't seen him for sometime and he's not been listed as unavailable. I hope he goes well.
Didn’t join the dots on this one but will Chris Boyd be back at the gardens
In opposition
In opposition
So I’m taking it Chris Boyd is no longer acting as a consultant for Saints if he is also a consultant for Munster?
Quote:Chris Hoddle
Deeside,
Yes I think he is staying with Sam Vesty?
Wonder if he’s looking in his little black book for a scrum coach
Going to be cracking atmosphere today. Munster fans are the best that have ever been to our ground. They think they are missing 7 first choice players and 5 bench players. How many do we think we are missing ?
Furbank
Sleightholme
Iyogun
Temo/munga? One of these would normally be ahead of lockett.
Odenndaal? Last year ahead of hutch, tough call this year with how hutch is playing.
Hendy? What is our best back 3?
Graham would normally make 23 but you can't drop pollock now.
Robbie smith would make 23
Both teams have a hell of an injury list . If we can beat munster and quins next week our season will be very much alive on both fronts. Then the prem cup will come at a good time to get our injured boys back . Odenndaal is very close according to dowson .
Furbank
Sleightholme
Iyogun
Temo/munga? One of these would normally be ahead of lockett.
Odenndaal? Last year ahead of hutch, tough call this year with how hutch is playing.
Hendy? What is our best back 3?
Graham would normally make 23 but you can't drop pollock now.
Robbie smith would make 23
Both teams have a hell of an injury list . If we can beat munster and quins next week our season will be very much alive on both fronts. Then the prem cup will come at a good time to get our injured boys back . Odenndaal is very close according to dowson .
Quote:Chris Hoddle
Deeside,
Yes I think he is staying with Sam Vesty?
Hope he's not poaching
Meant t-i-c of course (mostly)
Given how our scrum faired under Boyds guidance, I'm not sure how much we want his input.*
Quote:Hoping he is coaching Munster's defense.....Deesaint
Didn’t join the dots on this one but will Chris Boyd be back at the gardens
In opposition
Lacking intensity and missing Odendaal today. Trying to force it after multi phase where crash ball isn't working.
Zebo pretty unbearable on commentary as well.
Zebo pretty unbearable on commentary as well.
Great win, great 2nd half and we have our new talisman in Pollock. He'll make up for losing Lawes, Waller and Ludlam by himself at this rate. Cracking win and fair play to munster too. They look much better than last year.
We can breathe now?
I'm covering at my A&E which has been very slow until now. I appreciate the gent who just came in with a Grade 4 AC Separation and have to have his accident and come in right after the match ended.
This was not Fin's best match, but even if a hair off his best, he is just so smart and effective with the ball. Hope we keep him healthy and in our town and county for a long time to come!
Off to do my job.....
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I'm covering at my A&E which has been very slow until now. I appreciate the gent who just came in with a Grade 4 AC Separation and have to have his accident and come in right after the match ended.
This was not Fin's best match, but even if a hair off his best, he is just so smart and effective with the ball. Hope we keep him healthy and in our town and county for a long time to come!
Off to do my job.....
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Quote:Longers
What a result.
What a performance.
Are we not entertained?!
Oh yes we are!!!!!
Superb.
Quote:Saint Gordo
We can breathe now?
I'm covering at my A&E which has been very slow until now. I appreciate the gent who just came in with a Grade 4 AC Separation and have to have his accident and come in right after the match ended.
This was not Fin's best match, but even if a hair off his best, he is just so smart and effective with the ball. Hope we keep him healthy and in our town and county for a long time to come!
Off to do my job.....
I think I needed you at 70 minutes
Phew
If we can bottle that we’re on for a heck of a ride
What a game
What a win
Another cracking game of rugby. Very good win against a spirited Munster side.
If anyone thinks Henry Pollock is overrated, think again. Came on in a seething cauldron of a game and made two epic contributions. For such a young man, he is very special.
Two lovely Munster guys next to us. We hugged emotionally afterwards. What a game. Loudest the Gardens has been since “that” semifinal.
Quote:Not at all worried about Young Master Pollock except that he is still young and growing. As a doc I would want to see his load managed for a while. He has an incredible upside. And, as an example, the NFL mandates that a player must be out of high school for at least three years before eligible to play. In essence, usually 21 years old at the minimum. This was directly due, in the beginning, due to higher injury rates and severity.Connorman
If anyone thinks Henry Pollock is overrated, think again. Came on in a seething cauldron of a game and made two epic contributions. For such a young man, he is very special.
Quote:Saint GordoQuote:Not at all worried about Young Master Pollock except that he is still young and growing. As a doc I would want to see his load managed for a while. He has an incredible upside. And, as an example, the NFL mandates that a player must be out of high school for at least three years before eligible to play. In essence, usually 21 years old at the minimum. This was directly due, in the beginning, due to higher injury rates and severity.Connorman
If anyone thinks Henry Pollock is overrated, think again. Came on in a seething cauldron of a game and made two epic contributions. For such a young man, he is very special.
I said the same a while ago but got the usual "If he's good enough he's old enough" reply. I feel both Pollock and Hendy need managing.
Quote:And you are 100% right. That was the attitude coming out of the late, not not lamented, amateur era. Hendy has already had a few niggles and we want Young Master Pollock to have a long career. Some careful load management now will give them (and us as supporters) years of great Rugby.ramseysaintQuote:Saint GordoQuote:Not at all worried about Young Master Pollock except that he is still young and growing. As a doc I would want to see his load managed for a while. He has an incredible upside. And, as an example, the NFL mandates that a player must be out of high school for at least three years before eligible to play. In essence, usually 21 years old at the minimum. This was directly due, in the beginning, due to higher injury rates and severity.Connorman
If anyone thinks Henry Pollock is overrated, think again. Came on in a seething cauldron of a game and made two epic contributions. For such a young man, he is very special.
I said the same a while ago but got the usual "If he's good enough he's old enough" reply. I feel both Pollock and Hendy need managing..
But, to be fair, Pollock always ends up in the right place making the right play. That's not simply physicality, that's skill and brains. What a heck of a player.
Some game that. Love everything about munster as a club. Great team, cracking fans, great rivalry and always seems to end in a cracking game. Shame we won't host them in the last 16. I know we play them alot and would be nice for a team we not had in a while but you gotta love a saints vs munster at all times .
By the way, fairly late on the TMO was looking at contact between Tom Pearson and a Munster ball carrier for potential had-on-head.. After the numerous replays from different angles, the decision was clearly shoulder to shoulder. To me, it was fairly and properly called (of course, the Irish commentator was saying it could have gone either way, but I thought that was just provincial and biased).
Now these are my opinions. Did anyone see that differently?
Now these are my opinions. Did anyone see that differently?
I saw it as chest to shoulder on the big screen. Other than that, with each replay, the heads seem to get further and further away.
Any other call than play on would have been ridiculous.
I thought, apart from Munster being offside, he was pretty good. Was he from Georgia? His English was immaculate, clear and decision explained. He can come back again!
Any other call than play on would have been ridiculous.
I thought, apart from Munster being offside, he was pretty good. Was he from Georgia? His English was immaculate, clear and decision explained. He can come back again!
Called that one at the time - just a big hit, move on. Can see why it was reviewed though - a few inches in a different direction and there would have been a card. But, equally, if I'd driven a few inches away from where I did on the way home I'd have been in a head-on accident with a car in another lane. Pearson didn't and I didn't, so no problem.
Quote:Connorman
If anyone thinks Henry Pollock is overrated, think again. Came on in a seething cauldron of a game and made two epic contributions. For such a young man, he is very special.
+1 a great game to watch live at the gardens and also enjoyed watching the recording late last night. Pollocks 2 “epic” contributions in last 5 minutes were outstanding and ensured that we won that match. It is all that Bayfield wanted to talk about after the match .
Two cracking matches we have now had back to back at the Gardens. Been spoilt but hope it continues and always look forward to Munster home or away
Stokey,
Amashukeli was the referee, yes he’s from Georgia.
IMHO in the Top 5 of referees worldwide.
Amashukeli was the referee, yes he’s from Georgia.
IMHO in the Top 5 of referees worldwide.
The thing about Pollock is that for every few standout moments like tackles, turnovers and tries his 'normal' involvements are constant too - he's not just hanging around looking for those big moments for the highlight reels.
Quote:tigersimon
Stokey,
Amashukeli was the referee, yes he’s from Georgia.
IMHO in the Top 5 of referees worldwide.
Agree that he is a top ref. Clear communication, decisive, pretty consistent, but, he adopted the current style of ignoring offside defence in mid field. All refs are on the ball when the try line is under pressure, but in the middle of the park defenders are constantly offside shutting down the attacking sides space. To my mind this needs addressing.
I agree. Was very frustrating Saturday and just because it’s the same for both sides doesn’t make it right. Inhibits attacking play.
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