London Welsh v Doncaster - Play-off Preview


By Mark W-J
March 22 2012

After two rounds of the play-offs, London Welsh now face back-to-back fixtures against Doncaster, who are firmly rooted to the bottom of Pool A and almost certainly out of the running for the knockout stages.  Yet some of our worst performances this season have come against the so-called ‘weaker’ teams, and we can’t afford to let standards slip following last week’s outstanding efforts at Bristol.

We’ve played at the Memorial Stadium twice this season, and on both occasions we’ve returned with two points - something which we’d gladly have accepted before kick-off.  And yet on both occasions we’ve let the lead slip with the last play of the match, and have felt a sense of frustration at an opportunity missed, although, to be fair, no real sense of injustice.  Of course the travelling supporters were buoyed by events in Cardiff on Saturday, and even the sight of a former London Welshman - Matt Jones, once memorably described as ‘our best signing since Chris Ritchie’ - stealing victory from the Exiles’ grasp couldn’t put a dampener on the weekend.  This weekend we entertain a Doncaster side who have struggled to find their spark in the opening rounds of the play-offs, suffering their biggest ever home defeat in league rugby on the opening weekend when Bristol ran in nine tries in a 65-3 rout, surpassing the 45-0 scoreline when Harlequins visited Castle Park six years ago.  The two sides had also met at the Mem on the final weekend of the regular season, the home side crossing just the seven times en route to a 52-26 victory.  Last Sunday at Meadow Lane Donny again mustered just a single penalty as Nottingham ran out 30-3 winners, and they consequently find themselves five points adrift of the Green & Whites at the foot of the pool.

As the south-east enjoys a mini-heatwave and awaits the forthcoming hosepipe ban, our visitors can be fairly confident that the game will at least go ahead on Saturday following the debacle surrounding their last visit.  London Welsh were portrayed as the villains when the original game was postponed barely an hour before the scheduled kick-off, but the club had been let down by the RFU-appointed official who declared that the pitch was playable 24 hours earlier when it was obvious to anyone who lives or works within a 10 mile radius of Richmond that this was never going to be the case.  The management and officials at the club often get criticised by the supporters, but on this occasion they did everything by the book, and the scorn and vitriol which was directed at the club on various internet boards really should have been targeted at another organisation just up the A316.  When the game was finally played at the third time of asking - on a Wednesday afternoon, at the behest of that organisation just up the A316 - Welsh picked up a bonus point in a 37-14 victory.  It should also be pointed out that Doncaster were forced to play the game on the Wednesday despite being scheduled to play their final league encounter at Bristol on the Friday night, which undoubtedly contributed to the apparently one-sided encounter down the M4.

Last month’s game was Welsh’s seventh consecutive win over the Knights, our best current run against any of our Championship rivals.  Their last win in the series was on 31st October 2009, when winger Matt Williams inspired them to a 20-9 win at ODP, although when they visited last season they fought back to earn a losing bonus point in a 29-24 defeat having trailed 29-3 at the break.  And while Doncaster have yet to make it to the knockout stages of the play-offs they pushed Bedford every inch of the way last year, winning 33-31 at Goldington Road and only being eliminated by virtue of the three points which the Blues carried forward from the regular season as top seeds in Pool B.  Many coaches have played the ‘no easy matches in the Championship’ card over the course of the last three seasons - and that was one of the key reasons for culling four teams, to remove the weaker sides and reduce the number of mismatches - and, in theory at least, the same maxim is even more applicable to the play-offs.  Despite their poor showing in the opening two rounds, Doncaster will always provide a stern test, and - to use another cliché - no team can afford to look beyond next weekend.  Having collected two points at Bristol to maintain a decent gap over third-placed Nottingham the London Welsh fans might be excused for mentally calculating the potential outcomes from the next two weekends, with the Exiles facing an apparently demoralised Doncaster and Bristol keen to show Nottingham that last Sunday’s result was merely a blip, an aberration.  But in this six match ‘season within a season’ it only takes one bad result to turn all of the permutations and expectations on their head.  A case in point would be the Pirates, who are showing definite signs of being rattled following a home draw with Leeds and a last-gasp defeat at Bedford in Pool B, with Forwards Coach Ian Davies openly criticising the officials - and being publicly backed by his chairman - following last weekend’s reverse.  So let’s enjoy being unbeaten after two rounds, but not take our eye off the immediate challenges ahead.  One game at a time, boys - one game at a time…
 

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London Welsh v Doncaster - Play-off Preview
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nld
23/03/2012 12:16
Knights’ starting line-up:
15 Toby Berridge
14 Dougie Flockhart
13 Oli Goss
12 Fred Burdon
11 Michael Keating
10 Gareth Quinn-McDonogh
9 Chris Hallam (C)
1 Tom Davies
2 Steve Boden
3 Alex Brown
4 Matt Challinor
5 Dominic Parsons
6 Latu Makaafi
7 Zack Farivarz
8 Michael Noone

16 Royce Burke-Flynn
17 Jack Yeandle
18 Adam Kettle
19 Andy Boyde
20 Chris Planchant
21 Michael Heaney
22 Ben Toft

 

Mark W-J
23/03/2012 12:55
15. Edd Thrower, 14. Nick Scott, 13. James Lewis, 12. Hudson Tonga’uiha*, 11. Ashley Smith, 10. Alex Davies, 9. Jack Moates, 1. Shawn Pittman*, 2. Saul Nelson, 3. Greg Bateman, 4. Adam Brown, 5. Gary Johnson, 6. Lee Beach ©, 7. Michael Hills, 8. Ed Jackson.

Replacements: 16. Dan George, 17. Tom French 18. Matt Corker, 19. Ben Russell, 20. Ben Stevenson, 21. Gordon Ross*, 22. Will Hurrell

nld
23/03/2012 13:12
Looking forward to this one. Haven't seen Doncaster yet this season other than on TV when their pack took apart Rotherham.

If rumours are to be believed then Donny are one of the few teams to have formally applied for promotion and completed all the necessary steps to be audited. Despite two defeats I think it is still a little early to write them off.

The challenge for LW is to put together that elusive 80 minute performance. The next two matches would be the ideal time to do it.

nld
26/03/2012 09:38
That 80 minute performance remains elusive but another improved second half once again proved just enough. Donny certainly deserved their bonus point (and possibly more) but their 2 yellows were costly - I think we scored a try during each of them.

The lack of tactical awareness during the game is hugely frustrating - why at this stage of the season is the coach still having to shout so many basic instructions out to the players?

nld
26/03/2012 10:05
And....

T-shirt weather at ODP plus Scottish, Esher, Richmond, Barnes all away yet the crowd was just over 1,000. Very disappointing.

Mark W-J
26/03/2012 11:35
Did my ears deceive me, or did the tribute to Mervyn compound the error in the programme by referring to his involvement with the 1972 Lions?

nld
26/03/2012 11:43
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Mark W-J
Did my ears deceive me, or did the tribute to Mervyn compound the error in the programme by referring to his involvement with the 1972 Lions?

Yes, date in the tribute read out before the silence was wrong.

adge1
26/03/2012 13:00
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nld
And....
T-shirt weather at ODP plus Scottish, Esher, Richmond, Barnes all away yet the crowd was just over 1,000. Very disappointing.

more at Rosslyn Park apparently!

londonbound
26/03/2012 13:19
Why wasn't the marquee in use Saturday? empty!



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Mark W-J
26/03/2012 14:40
Quote:
nld
And....
T-shirt weather at ODP plus Scottish, Esher, Richmond, Barnes all away yet the crowd was just over 1,000. Very disappointing.

I guess a lot of people expected the Doncaster captain to refuse to play on the sun-baked surface...

TC08
26/03/2012 14:49
Quins vs Bath just along the road might have been unhelpful, too.

eddie57
26/03/2012 17:29
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"Quins vs Bath just along the road might have been unhelpful, too".

Do we know if these floating supporters actually exist? Has the club (or any of our rivals) done any market research to establish whether any significant numbers of people choose to follow one team or are more general rugby supporters who switch allegiance according to the most attractive home game?

I haven't been to the Stoop since Quins played Ospreys some years ago and I've never in the professional era watched Richmond, Scots or Irish play anyone else but us. I've even stopped going to Rosslyn Park Sevens as we don't seem to get invited too often anymore. I suspect that most rugby fans are now like soccer supporters in following one club and their country and there just isn't a wider pool to tap into.

Any idea how many of the "125 suggestions to get more spectators" we proposed at the start of the season were ever put into action? if you take out the Leeds game (played pre-Twickenham) most of the games I've been to the gate has been down, the bar empty an hour after the match and most spectators (like me) getting older and grayer!!

FamilyGuy
26/03/2012 20:59
Well I don't miss many games at ODP - & certainly wouldn't to watch one of the other local sides - but, when LW are away, I do often watch one of RP, LS, Richmond etc., whichever looks the most attractive; I've even been to Barnes, so alternative fixtures do matter to the "floaters".
Even so, as I've said on here before, our PR is hardly cutting edge. I see no local advertising, no flyers, no special deals. I read the Standard tonight - not a word about LW.
Oh, and it didn't even look like 1000 there to me on Saturday...

londonbound
27/03/2012 08:15
Interesting to see Matt Hopper(quinns) watching our game on Sat!
I agree that there is a very poor plan for marketing within LW. Sadly the club is still stuck in the past! I note Mr Jones wants people to have pride in the shirt! Doesn't he choose who wears it! He has alternatives but seems reluctant to use certain players, Powell, Gibson, Purdy and hills! And why have Pitman on the bench. He goes on to say they were mentally tied from Bristol! Then changes could and should have been made! And can we not play games with selection issued the day before - that changes by the match! It smacks of non positivity in the side to the supporter!



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Newest Sir Benfro
27/03/2012 09:40
I think its hard to criticise Lyn Jones team picking strategy when we are running a close second to Bristol, have a squad which has all seen tough first team action this season so is ready to step up whenever required and has the mental toughness to win games when we dont play well. All this with a squad he inherited and which includes a number of players performing above our early season expectations.

Seems like a decent outcome in my mind !

CoventryWelsh
27/03/2012 10:02
Totally agree with NSB.

Lyn Jones appears to have kept the whole squad game ready for the play-offs through his selections, and when necessary has picked on current form not name. I also agree that there are a couple of players who have developed substantially under Lyn Jones' coaching.

He has also had a considerable injury list to deal with at times & of course, the EQP criteria & how that can effect selection.

Also, you don't have to be too much of a detective to know that Gibson & Purdy are out injured for (I believe) the rest of the season, & Powell has been out injured for the last 4 weeks !!

Mark W-J
27/03/2012 10:13
I find it strange that certain players just can't seem to get picked, and although some of them are injured, the continued absence of Thrower, Gibson, Mackey, Purdy, Hills etc does suggest that - depsite his reputation - Lyn has a fairly settled idea of what his preferred XV is. The fact that it differs wildly from my preferred XV is not a problem - as long as we're winning!

If anything, I'd have expected him to make greater use of the squad during the play-offs, partly due to the intensity, and partly to ensure that, if we did have injuries in the knockout stages, the combinations are all tried-and-trusted.

CoventryWelsh
27/03/2012 11:30
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Mark W-J
I find it strange that certain players just can't seem to get picked, and although some of them are injured, the continued absence of Thrower, Gibson, Mackey, Purdy, Hills etc does suggest that - depsite his reputation - Lyn has a fairly settled idea of what his preferred XV is. The fact that it differs wildly from my preferred XV is not a problem - as long as we're winning!


I'm sure you won't take offence if I say I'd prefer to go with Lyn's judgement, I think it is probably based on a little more knowledge & experience !!

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