And so we already find ourselves comtemplating the 4th week of the Premiership Cup competition, as we return to the StoneX for the first time in a while (since Sale at home in October I think) to welcome the Newcastle Red Bulls, formerly Falcons of course. Following on from their very impressive victory against Northampton at Franklins Gardens (a feat we ourselves haven’t achieved since early 2022) and our victory at the Stoop vs Harlequins, this clash could be crucial in determining the outcome of our pool in the cup.
Over the current season (from the Premiership’s own statistics), Saracens have significantly more points scored and tries than Newcastle: In the Premiership alone, Sarries have 199 points and 29 tries to Newcastle’s 70 points and 10 tries. Astoundingly in the last 20 fixtures between the two (in all competitions), Newcastle have won just 1 of them – last year at Kingston Park. We would have to go back to 2009 in the Guinness Premiership for the previous time Newcastle won this fixture. Waffle over, I shall return to the rugby.
Alen Dickens’ introduction to the Newcastle should help them bolster their attack. As a previous attacks and backs coach at Leicester and player for Northampton, Leeds, Saracens and Sale, he is well set to improve their structure and attack. To be honest the gap in attacking quality is quite significant between the two teams. It seems Sarries mostly can cut through defences with relative ease whereas for Newcastle it seems more effort.
Set-Piece Battle
Scrums – Saracens low, tight bind at scrumtime aims to hold stability rather than crush the opposition with power. I expect we will use the scrum to create quick clean ball for the backs to exploit. We may choose to go for Newcastle’s inexperienced tightheads early on, especially after the success of the scrum vs Quins. Newcastle on the other hand are hungry at scrumtime – they often aim to disrupt by angling in slightly and use the scrum to reset should things not be going to plan elsewhere in their game. I expect Saracens to have a significant advantage at scrumtime.
Lineouts – sarries have always been strong at the lineout. The return of the likes of Olamide Sodeke from England A will boost our prowess significantly. Harry Wilson seems to have adopted a strong role within the forwards already. I don’t think we’ve talked enough about how good he’s been of late. Brings so much physicality to the defence and attack. He is a nuisance for opposition in the lineout as well, constantly causing them problems by either intercepting or swimming through to defend. I expect sarries to favour use of the middle pod and for peel plays to form (as they have done a lot recently) and for our back rowers to act as secondary jumpers, as per usual with figures like Willis often being lifted. Newcastle will typically use front pod ball to secure possession and use double-movements such as dummy lifting to put off opponents. I expect us to have a slight advantage in this regard.
Maul – our maul has not been as effective this season compared to previous years. For a while, our maul was pretty undefendable (legally, that is) and teams struggled to contain us from 5m out. This season we seem to have dropped off a lot on that front. We were excellent at spinning the maul if the initial shove stalled. Newcastle are hit and miss (like us really!) at maultime, and will blitzt initially to try and disrupt before we can get set and get it moving. If we can withstand their initial shove, I expect our consistent power will prevail.
Newcastle typically do not travel well at all – I think it is Vicarage Road days (someone correct me if I’m wrong!) since they beat us at home. I hope it’ll be an entertaining match with plenty of flowing rugby on display.
Predicted Lineups
As we have our England ‘A’ returnees, I believe this is what the lineup could look like next week:
Saracens
Alex O’Driscoll
James Hadfield
Marcus Street
Toyo Adegbimile
Olamide Sodeke
Harry Wilson
Nathan Michelow
Tom Willis
Gareth Simpson
Louis Johnson
Brandon Jackson
Olly Hartley
Sam Spink
Angus Hall
Max Malins
Eoghan Clarke
Lewis Young
Harvey Beaton
Kennedy Sylvester
Reggie Hammick
Charlie Bracken
Luke Davidson
Noah Caluori
Re. Question mark for 18, I have little to no idea which fit tightheads we currently have – Clarey is injured, Marco away with Italy for internatonals and Tuimauiga away with Samoa. We are certainly struggling for props once again!
As for the Newastle side, I expect they’ll go as full throttle as they can. It’ll likely be a similar side to the one they fielded vs Northampton.
Newcastle
Adam Brocklebank
George McGuigan
Richard Palframan
Oscar Usher
Jamie Hodgson
Cameron Neild
Ollie Leatherbarrow
Thomas Gordon
Micky Stuart
Brett Connon
Alex Hearle
Cam Hutchison
Tom Moore
Ethan Grayson
Elliott Obatoyinbo
Haime Faiva
Murray McCallum
Luan De Bruin
Adam Scott
Freddie Lockwood
James Clark
Max Clark
Sam Waugh
Two excellent teams who will produce an entertaining encounter on Saturday afternoon I feel. Enjoy all those who are planning on attending and cheer loud for Saracens. Also thank you Bard for pointing out earlier squad inconsistencies. I thought Harvey Beaton was still injured and didn't realise Tobias E had pulled up with his hammy in the Ampthill game. Corrected now.
Newcastle put Saints to the sword last week so this will be a tough match. It’s amazing how we always seem to be short of props, can’t seem to get any luck there. I heard good things about Adegbemile from last time so hopefully we get to see more of him. Maybe a rest for Willis after playing 80 v Quins so he’s ready for Bath. Bard said Elliott pulled up in his last Ampthill match so Caluori likely to start unless we see Daly released from England.
Very good preview and I really enjoyed the insight into the positions.
I think NRB v Saints was pretty much their Prem team minus a handful of their top guys so we can maybe expect similar. The centre we had on loan is with them now.
Can’t imagine Elliot being involved as he did his hamstring 2 weeks ago. Be astonished if Willis plays, and Tizard failed HIA so will be out.
Angus Hall should be in, Harvey Beaton warming up with the squad on Sunday so will presumably be in 23. Street did also go off at end leading to uncontested scrum, hopefully it was just cramp.
Not sure when Christian Wade arrives for them?
Thank you Bard, I wasn't aware about Elliott and his hamstring. Shame about Tizard, I thought he was taken off as a precautionary measure not for a HIA. I thought we'd have all our England A players back this week?
Also what other options do we have at backrow at the minute? Max Eke is injured, Earl, Andy OC and JMG are all away on international duty. Charlie West perhaps, but is he experienced enough really to be starting?
We have super squad depth when ALL our players are not injured and not on internationals. As soon as one or the other (or even worse, both) problems combine - we are in trouble
Keep an eye on the communications to see if the shuttle buses are running, but if they are not just take an ordinary bus from the stop near Mill Hill Broadway (Stop F). There will be Saracens Supporters to travel with!
I don't follow what the parking arrangements are, as I usually use public transport now, but call supporters services to book a parking space (some are at least 15 minutes walk away) or (better?) use the car park at Mill Hill Broadway station which always seems to have spaces, and then take the shuttle/bus.
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The Match Day Guide says no busses but, as mentioned above, the 221 runs the same route from Mill Hill Broadway station. Enter "Bunns Lane Car Park" to Google maps to find the parking, which costs just over £7.
Alternatively "Just Park" has a number of driveway parking spaces closer to the ground, but they can be expensive.
Looks like it should be a decent contest. Guessing and hoping Hadfield and Street are fit but being preserved for next week. Good to see Michelow recovered from his knock at the end of last Saturdays game, and good to see IVZ back.
For games like this and the ladies ones I tend to end up getting a taxi (either from the northern line or mill hill broadway, depending on how the trains work out). It's usually about a tenner each way, which can make sense depending on the size of your group - and particularly for the ladies given just how far the one gate that's usually open is from the bus stop.
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Roger G It's a match day so no local parking. I noticed the "next event" date on the parking signs last week. No idea about busses - sorry.
When we got to Mill Hill it actually showed the Next Event as 30 November 2025 so there was no Saracens CPZ today. Must have been a late change when they cancelled the Shuttle Buses. Wish the club was a bit clearer on this point.
As to the match some encouragement that there is growing strength in depth in a number of positions. Sarries were simply too fast and skillful for what was a limited Newcastle squad but in what became appalling weather there were some moments of high skill. My favourite moment was the try scored by our number 6 who seemed to turn on the pace and carve through their defence.
I too listened to Roger G and assumed no local parking. Agree that the Club should make it clearer. Would have made quite a difference to us today. (Will note this on our feedback form.....if we get one this week.)
Hope that Newcastle player is OK. Puts my grumbles about parking into focus.
A surprisingly enjoyable game despite the conditions. Thought our backrow were very good - especially Charlie West who I thought was excellent all game. Angus Hall very good in the second half.
What was not enjoyable was standing in the rain waiting for a bus because there was no shuttles. I guess it wasn’t worth their while putting on a full service for such a pathetic crowd, but even so - maybe one or two would have been nice.
Barnesy BBC on the ball as usual reporting we've made the semi finals, small matter of 4 more games at the start of the Six nations before the semi finals
I saw that too. Had to recheck the fixture list make sure I hadn’t dreamt those games…
The BBC also had four different kickers getting the conversions, suspiciously looking like the try scorers converting their own score. They're all now credited to Johnson, but surely that really settles the BBC Chairman's resignation now?
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Other than the lineout, that was an incredibly impressive display. Some serious physical aggression in defence and some excellent back moves.
The scrum went much better than expected, hats off to Beaton and O’Driscoll.
Hope the latter didn’t fail his HIA as we may need him on Sunday against Bath if Mawi isn’t fit.
Second game running Louie Johnson hasn’t been good off the tee and missed a kick to the corner. With Davidson looking promising he really needs to show he is the next man ready to step up.
nicsue I too listened to Roger G and assumed no local parking. Agree that the Club should make it clearer. Would have made quite a difference to us today. (Will note this on our feedback form.....if we get one this week.)
Hope that Newcastle player is OK. Puts my grumbles about parking into focus.
Apologies to anybody I put off but, in my defence, it definitely said "Next Event 22/11" on the signs last week.
Second game running Louie Johnson hasn’t been good off the tee and missed a kick to the corner. With Davidson looking promising he really needs to show he is the next man ready to step up.[/quote
Rather harsh. He kicked 4/7 and missed one into the strong wind in the first half. with the other two being fairly wide.
On a separate issue, I'll be glad to get back to the East stand. Even in the posh seats at the back of the West stand we felt the rain although to be fair both wind and rain were pretty strong. Credit to the players for that performance in those conditions.
MGB i think you have got your East and West stands mixed up!
Us West standers were all relocated to the East stand yesterday and as you say when the wind is from the South West the rain can reach fairly far into the East stand.
oops. I was so cold, disorientation had set in! It was nice to have a comfy soft seat, but I'll happily give it back for my return to the West stand next week.
It’s a bit of a dilemma, for me the West stand is simply too far from the pitch and we made a mistake putting it where it is. But you are shaded from low sun and more often than not the wind.
nicsue I too listened to Roger G and assumed no local parking. Agree that the Club should make it clearer. Would have made quite a difference to us today. (Will note this on our feedback form.....if we get one this week.)
Hope that Newcastle player is OK. Puts my grumbles about parking into focus.
Apologies to anybody I put off but, in my defence, it definitely said "Next Event 22/11" on the signs last week.
Thanks for clarifying - I will tell the Club what I think about their communications.
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