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Take the baskets (sic) to court. Bleddyn has a 100% success rate thus far and can make amends for his disastrous lack of due diligence regarding the american investors by wining this case, although doubt it will make much difference for this season now

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Take the baskets (sic) to court. Bleddyn has a 100% success rate thus far and can make amends for his disastrous lack of due diligence regarding the american investors by wining this case, although doubt it will make much difference for this season now

may as well

In the Evening Standard the RFU are quoted as saying that they contacted the club before 3 yesterday.
Peter are you at ODP Dydd Sadwrn?

From BBC website.

The RFU announced on Tuesday that the Exiles had not met the governing body's criteria to be granted a new licence.

However, Welsh believe they had satisfied the requirements.

The club, who went into liquidation last month, say they will "deal with the ramifications" of the announcement before deciding whether to respond.

'Whether to respond' Is this a possibility or just bad BBC reporting?
this season is over for us but what about the next one?

The issues as I see it are that the RFUs regulations contain so many caveats, "as we see fit" "at our discretion" and "as deemed appropriate" etc, they also state that the criteria for continuation is not exhaustive.
They could have kicked us out if Gareth had turned up at HQ in the wrong coloured trousers or bringing the wrong Gin as a bribe.

Chappers,

I fully understand your comments ref the RFU and agree that it is an idiots charter. However it will still have to be deemed fair and scrutinised in a court of law.
If it means LW starting in tier 8/9 of the pyramid system as I expect it does, then we should have another day in court with the RFU with Bleddyn at the helm.

We should not just rollover and accept the cock-eyed judgement.

If the RFU relegate us one division to national 1 as a penalty, that is fair and acceptable I believe for both parties.

certainly if the club believe they have met the requirements we should sue

as the tweets are saying

"do not go gentle into that good night

rage rage against the dying of the light"

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If it means LW starting in tier 8/9 of the pyramid system as I expect it does, then we should have another day in court with the RFU with Bleddyn at the helm.

Only if bleddyn is paying ,to make up for the shambles of the American takeover. Makes the the football league and their criteria for suitable club owners appear perfect . Due diligence.....whatever does that mean after all I only work for one of the biggest legal companies in London and we do everything correctly!!!!!!😡

As was said this evening, this is being looked into, and I think I made my personal opinion clear.
As with any legal case it is only worth pursuing if;

a) after investigation it's decided there may be a case to answer.

b) there is the likelihood of a positive, worthwhile outcome

Personally I'm not sure another round of sabre rattling with the RFU is the best direction to expend our energies in.
Lets refocus our energies towards building the club back up, as Gwyn said we have already expended enough cash to have paid for an all weather pitch

I agree chapters the club should not waste any if it's own money. What I'm saying is that bleddyn sh use his or his companies time and money to fight the case given it was his delusional belief in the Americans and their non existent money that meant there was no time to sort out the financial mess the old board got the pro club into. The new board have done an outstanding job in the little time they had, and shows what may have been possible if the dysfunctional old board had gone sooner.

I think the report in RP today quoting Gareth Hawkins indicates that we had good support from Melville et al in preparing our business case. However whoever then reviews that case either refused to accept it or was given different views from the ones we had been given on the Friday.

I still feel there was a score to settle here and it was well and truly settled in favour of the suits

We need to know all the facts first before we can say the board has done an outstanding job when the club being kicked out of rugby certainly suggests they haven't done however it may have been an impossible task
the meeting yesterday threw a bit more light on the subject but it is still as usual leaving lots of unanswered questions

I pressed Gwyn on the ali williams offer to put 500k in escrow and he said they did not flat out reject it whatever nick scott is tweeting
however nick is obviously being fed information from someone and we really need this sort of thing to stop and lets just get it all out in the open

a new beginning

we are where we are now, however we got here, what matters most is where we go next.

That should be determined by;

Is there a possible positive outcome from a legal challenge, will it be better than what we already have ?

Is there a chance of winning that challenge?

Can we achieve that without causing damage to what we already have?

Are our efforts better directed towards building what we have into what we want?

What can be learnt from raking over the ashes?

what resources do we have at our disposal?

Once we have answered all of those questions we can formulate a plan going forward



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do you think there is any appetite amongst the supporters to get more involved instead of rugby 1885 ?

if we can raise 742K by friday we could get our club back and 20 points

I certainly would consider Peter's suggestion, but wiping out £742k? Let's say that there are 500 hard core LW supporters. They would have to contribute around £1500 each, which would be a tall order. On the other hand, re-forming LW into a supporters' club would enhance our relationship with what has been a semi-detached organisation. It would perhaps lead to a more measured and sensible approach to what in the end supporters want - good rugby, clear aims, an accountable management and a swift return to a higher level.

Is this pie in the sky?

Gareth,

I'm with you on this. If we as LWSC members can continue to support the Druids & Dragons in the figures of last week, as Gwyn said on Saturday, I can see Rugby 1885 being successfully integrated into the league system at tier 9 level.

COYW

taff in sevenoaks

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I certainly would consider Peter's suggestion, but wiping out £742k? Let's say that there are 500 hard core LW supporters. They would have to contribute around £1500 each, which would be a tall order. On the other hand, re-forming LW into a supporters' club would enhance our relationship with what has been a semi-detached organisation. It would perhaps lead to a more measured and sensible approach to what in the end supporters want - good rugby, clear aims, an accountable management and a swift return to a higher level.
Is this pie in the sky?

all sounds very reasonable- I think the idea of a sustainable well run club is a very attractive prospect but it is the long haul, its s shame the RFU didn't give us a bit of leeway, I mean rugby creditors paid off and maybe relegate us a couple of leagues or something, sounds a win win to me

I wasn't suggesting the money was raised even though now you have said that it sounds appealing.
Actually the most appealing thing is all those who have written off LW suddenly wake up and realise we are back with our 20 points including the RFU !
Apparently Bleddyn told this the chairman of the RFU on sunday and he nearly fainted on the spot!

however anyone including ali williams could go down this route

Does anyone else think we should pay to watch the ams? Say something like £5 for adults discounts for seniors & kids for free? -not sure what the rules are on this or if it has to be done unofficially as a donations in a bucket? Would make a huge difference at this level.

I stand corrected on any of the following if I am wrong.

1. It can't get any worse, the druids will be our first team in tier 9! of the pyramid system.

2. A number of supporters will be dead before we get back to a reasonable level of rugby that meets with the expectations of most supporters.

3.We employed a so called financial whizz kid (£10,000) who managed to ill advise us by not getting the required funds into the correct account on time.

4. £500,000 was on the table from Ali Williams consortium and we walked away from it!

If the money had been put in the correct account on time, we would not be in the situation we are now.

Sorry, but have we got anything to lose from where we are now....yes rocking the boat for the amateur section of the club with the RFU.....................its a risk worth taking.

[quote dantheref]I stand corrected on any of the following if I am wrong.



4. £500,000 was on the table from Ali Williams consortium and we walked away from it!


you were at the meeting on Saturday and Gwyn specifically said we didn't, I asked this twice to make sure we had it correct.

My understanding was that we would not commit without more information on the consortium, ie another Trevor.
That I believed was the reason for non acceptance, my apologies if I have not understood correctly.

Lets hope someone buys and clears the debt before Friday! I know dream on!

At the risk of appearing to be totally out of touch could someone explain a) what is the £742,000 that is needed and b) what is the Friday deadline.
Thanks in advance.

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At the risk of appearing to be totally out of touch could someone explain a) what is the £742,000 that is needed and b) what is the Friday deadline.
Thanks in advance.

If you provide restitution to the insolvency event and end the state of liquidation then its as if it never happened, so there are about 742 k of debts that are outside creditors ie hmrc trade creditors and the players and staff
As the club went into liquidation on dec 23 then the 6 weeks is up on friday
So if you have a bit of change down the sofa i can give you the liquidators phone number

Thanks Peter. I'll check the sofa once the dogs got off it.

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My understanding was that we would not commit without more information on the consortium, ie another Trevor.
That I believed was the reason for non acceptance, my apologies if I have not understood correctly.

Lets hope someone buys and clears the debt before Friday! I know dream on!

It wasn't just that rugby1885 couldn't commit, there wasn't even anything close to what could be deemed a deal, the escrow offer from AW was a show of faith and a flash of cash for a possible future deal, the reason to put it in escrow rather than rugby1885s account was that it wasn't to be spent saving the club. The fact remains that as and when and if discussions had started in earnest either side may have walked away for their own reasons.
the money in escrow may have influenced the RFU of our future funding but nothing more , it wouldn't have been rugby1885's money.

As to raising the money by Friday, well there's a thing, maybe contact Gar or Gwyn and see if their may be an appetite from those that were willing to invest and then hit the rest of supporter base, would need to be done tomorrow I would say, at the latest.
If we get to Saturday then the RFU will be home and dry.

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If we get to Saturday then the RFU will be home and dry.

Is it really necessary to be so insulting to the RFU? To an outsider it looks like the RFU have bent over backwards to try & help you out of the mess that you have got yourselves into.

It isn’t the RFUs fault that a few years ago you flippantly cast aside the necessary preparations & audit for promotion, then when you unexpectedly won the play offs made the situation even worse by cobbling together some half-baked attempt at a plan in a couple of weeks.

It isn’t the RFU’s fault that the club has been so hopelessly managed for years. It isn’t the RFU’s fault that you continued to run the team on a budget way beyond what was affordable, gambling that you would win the play offs again so that there would be some money to pay for it. It isn’t the RFUs fault that yet again you relied for salvation on some fantasy angel with a big bag full of cash who turned out to be nothing more than a dream.

Please stop bleating about the RFU when your problems are entirely of your own making. I am certainly no great fan of the RFU, but moaning about them as if they are responsible for your problems just makes you look deluded, and all this rubbish about suing them (for what?) makes you look like idiots. Until I read the rot posted above I had a lot of sympathy for you, now I will just be glad to see the back of you. What a splendid achievement, well done!

Not asking for any sympathy, but the fact is the RFU have made some procedural errors, my personal view is we move on and build from our amateurs like Richmond and Scottish, but that's not my choice to make and if those in charge believe their is something worth pursuing then go for it.

Not so sure about that try visiting @jtbrown05 on twitter and view the RFU letter dated 25/1/2017

Try below link should hopefully work

[t.co]

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If we get to Saturday then the RFU will be home and dry.

Is it really necessary to be so insulting to the RFU? To an outsider it looks like the RFU have bent over backwards to try & help you out of the mess that you have got yourselves into.

It isn’t the RFUs fault that a few years ago you flippantly cast aside the necessary preparations & audit for promotion, then when you unexpectedly won the play offs made the situation even worse by cobbling together some half-baked attempt at a plan in a couple of weeks.

It isn’t the RFU’s fault that the club has been so hopelessly managed for years. It isn’t the RFU’s fault that you continued to run the team on a budget way beyond what was affordable, gambling that you would win the play offs again so that there would be some money to pay for it. It isn’t the RFUs fault that yet again you relied for salvation on some fantasy angel with a big bag full of cash who turned out to be nothing more than a dream.

Please stop bleating about the RFU when your problems are entirely of your own making. I am certainly no great fan of the RFU, but moaning about them as if they are responsible for your problems just makes you look deluded, and all this rubbish about suing them (for what?) makes you look like idiots. Until I read the rot posted above I had a lot of sympathy for you, now I will just be glad to see the back of you. What a splendid achievement, well done!

There's a lot to argue with in your statement, we weren't gambling on the play offs, you are right about the failed investment and you wonder about the judgement of the parties concerned
Its not easy going into the premiership as Bristol have found and our first attempt nearly succeeded

My problem with the RFU is that its a waste of time what they have done, why didnbt just give 1885 a licence for the rest of the season , rugby creditors get paid, the boys get time to plan for new jobs next year, LW get time to plan for the following seasons in say NL 1, the rest of the league gets their home game revenue and the league keeps on having some interest at the bottom

rugby has lost out in this when it could have been quite easily a completely different proposition

Peter...100 per cent correct

RFU only out for revenge

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Peter...100 per cent correct
RFU only out for revenge

Revenge for what?

BB

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Peter...100 per cent correct
RFU only out for revenge

Revenge for what?

Revenge for us destroying their pathetic attempts to prevent us getting promotion and then trying to avoid treating us fairly in the AP

Long memories those long serving clerks at RFU

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Peter...100 per cent correct
RFU only out for revenge

Revenge for what?

Ah the heady days of viz

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Please stop bleating about the RFU when your problems are entirely of your own making. I am certainly no great fan of the RFU, but moaning about them as if they are responsible for your problems just makes you look deluded, and all this rubbish about suing them (for what?) makes you look like idiots. Until I read the rot posted above I had a lot of sympathy for you, now I will just be glad to see the back of you. What a splendid achievement, well done!

[quote For Crying Out Loud!]
Please stop bleating about the RFU when your problems are entirely of your own making. I am certainly no great fan of the RFU, but moaning about them as if they are responsible for your problems just makes you look deluded, and all this rubbish about suing them (for what?) makes you look like idiots. Until I read the rot posted above I had a lot of sympathy for you, now I will just be glad to see the back of you. What a splendid achievement, well done![/quote

For crying out loud why don't you go and troll some other chat room. Find out the facts before posting your moronic thoughts or are you the apologist for Ian Ritchie and his dysfunctional (like the previous board not those of 1885 ltd) fickwiirs at the rfu ( I won't call them gin soaked as I like gin myself especially my new find deaths door ) anyway rant over and I've not even been in the gin but may need one now.
Ps why isn't the Welsh flag an emoticon?

As I posted on the 'It's Over' thread on 24th January:

"Can't believe people are blaming the RFU for this. They didn't spend the money, they didn't get taken in by a charlatan. There are plenty of people who have given an awful lot to LW in recent years but who have also allowed themselves to ignore the 'bigger picture'. We may have had run-ins with the RFU in recent years but to suggest that they're to blame for our predicament or have taken advantage of the situation to stick the boot in is ridiculous."

Ranting and raving at the RFU just makes us look even more stupid. They gave us plenty of opportunity to get our house in order, they extended the deadline three times, we knew what was required. We didn't think that what they wanted was acceptable, but instead of negotiating and trying to find a solution we reached a Mexican standoff. Neither side comes out of this smelling of roses, and neither side is truly in a position to take the moral high ground.



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As I posted on the 'It's Over' thread on 24th January:
"Can't believe people are blaming the RFU for this. They didn't spend the money, they didn't get taken in by a charlatan. There are plenty of people who have given an awful lot to LW in recent years but who have also allowed themselves to ignore the 'bigger picture'. We may have had run-ins with the RFU in recent years but to suggest that they're to blame for our predicament or have taken advantage of the situation to stick the boot in is ridiculous."

Ranting and raving at the RFU just makes us look even more stupid. They gave us plenty of opportunity to get our house in order, they extended the deadline three times, we knew what was required. We didn't think that what they wanted was acceptable, but instead of negotiating and trying to find a solution we reached a Mexican standoff. Neither side comes out of this smelling of roses, and neither side is truly in a position to take the moral high ground.

Thats all fair enough Mark but if the RFU really wanted to they could have found a way and it hasn't done anyone any good

I agree that more could have been done to reach a sensible solution, and I've said before that I genuinely expected the club to be granted a licence to continue until the end of the season. It would have made sense for everyone to get their full quota of home games, so that other clubs don't lose out as a consequence of our demise. But all this claptrap about the RFU taking their revenge and 'Ian Ritchie and his dysfunctional fickwiirs' is just pathetic.

I have never said in any of my posts that the RFU taking their revenge... but now you mention it, I'm sure President Trump would view it as such in his goggleyed view of anything to do with authority (other than his own).

I think some arguments have confused the RFU with PRL.

PS sorry to see the club in a situation like this.

QUIN KONG

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I have never said in any of my posts that the RFU taking their revenge... but now you mention it, I'm sure President Trump would view it as such in his goggleyed view of anything to do with authority (other than his own).

Not ever wishing to be compared to Trumpf I am prepared to ameliorate my language from revenge to settling an old score

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jaypad
I have never said in any of my posts that the RFU taking their revenge... but now you mention it, I'm sure President Trump would view it as such in his goggleyed view of anything to do with authority (other than his own).

Not ever wishing to be compared to Trumpf I am prepared to ameliorate my language from revenge to settling an old score

or maybe not wishing to help all that much

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As I posted on the 'It's Over' thread on 24th January:
"Can't believe people are blaming the RFU for this. They didn't spend the money, they didn't get taken in by a charlatan. There are plenty of people who have given an awful lot to LW in recent years but who have also allowed themselves to ignore the 'bigger picture'. We may have had run-ins with the RFU in recent years but to suggest that they're to blame for our predicament or have taken advantage of the situation to stick the boot in is ridiculous."

Ranting and raving at the RFU just makes us look even more stupid. They gave us plenty of opportunity to get our house in order, they extended the deadline three times, we knew what was required. We didn't think that what they wanted was acceptable, but instead of negotiating and trying to find a solution we reached a Mexican standoff. Neither side comes out of this smelling of roses, and neither side is truly in a position to take the moral high ground.

100% correct but it hasn't stopped the usual apologists from bleating about how badly they have been treated by the RFU has it?

And that's why more and more folks have little sympathy.