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Falcons v Hartpury RFC 18 October - Teams Up


By Falcons
October 15 2019

Dean Richards said "we did not play the condition",  last time out, hopefully the weather will be kinder to us for this match as it is our first league match at home.  At the moment the Weather God are playing the game.

Newcastle Falcons v Hartpury University RFC

Friday 18th October - Kick Off 8pm

 

 

Friday's programme: More reading for less money

The  Falcons took on Hartpury at their home ground on the 5th October in the Championship Cup and put 52 points past them.  We have to expect more of the same this Friday surely?  However, we do know Hartpury can score tries as this photos shows.

 Joe Margetts Try for Hartpury RFC In th Cup - Picture Hartpury RFC

Hartpury have made wholesale changes, many of them rotational, to the side which will travel to Newcastle on Friday (8pm) with the daunting task of taking something from what is sure to be one of the toughest fixtures of the season.

 

Newcastle Falcons: 15 Alex Tait, 14 Adam Radwan, 13 George Wacokecoke, 12 Josh Matavesi, 11 Sinoti Sinoti, 10 Toby Flood (captain), 9 Sam Stuart, 1 Adam Brocklebank, 2 Charlie Maddison, 3 Rodney Ah You, 4 Darren Barry, 5 Will Montgomery, 6 Will Welch, 7 Gary Graham, 8 Nemani Nagusa

Replacements:  16 Jamie Blamire, 17 Trevor Davison, 18 Mark Tampin, 19 Sean Robinson, 20 Callum Chick, 21 Cameron Nordli-Kelemeti, 22 Joel Hodgson, 23 Ben Stevenson 

 

Hartpury:  15.George Simpson, 14.Nick David, 13. Charlie Powell, 12. Luke Eves, 11. Toby Fricker, 10. Joshua Bragman, 9. Luke Carter (c), 1.  Dan Murphy,         2.  Will Crane, 3. Ashley Challenger, 4  Joe Batley, 5.  Chunya Munga, 6. John Hawkins, 7. Max Clementson, 8.  Will Safe,

Replacements:16. Will Tanner, 17. Des Merrey, 18., Mike Flook, 19. Kieran Curran, 20. Jack Preece, 21. Seb Nagle-Taylor, 22. Harry Cochrane, 23. Jamie Forrester

 

 

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Falcons v Hartpury RFC 18 October - Teams Up
Discussion started by FalconsRugby.org.uk , 17/10/2019 11:17
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GeordieFalcon
17/10/2019 11:39
Very powerful pack. That back row is tough.

Plenty of creativity in the backs...ill be watching Mr Flood closely. This is a game he should be dominating...

steve1888
17/10/2019 11:57
The return of Luke Eves ! Hope he gets a cheer , did alright for us i thought during a very tough time.

Decent line up for us, looking forward to it !

Falc Dancer
17/10/2019 12:11
Good line up
Montgomery starting catches the eye

eebagum
18/10/2019 09:08
I think one of our problems last season was not moving the ball quickly enough through 9-10-12
and opposition back row were able create a bottleneck which left our wingers with no space, and supporters hoping for an individual piece of brilliance.
We have been told about pre season training being about pace so hopefully we will see it on the pitch tonight.That short looped pass from 10 for 12 to take the ball into the tackle just didnít work, so letís see Radwan and Sinotti with the ball in their hands with space to use their pace and side-step.Mix it up a bit and letís see a convincing win.COYF.

Rogerandout
18/10/2019 10:31
Last week was by all accounts a disappointment but London Scottish away is a different proposition to Hartpury at home. Add to that some bigger beasts in the forwards and I predict a win by a big margin tonight.
It would be nice if opponents can be encouraged into a losing mentality before the game starts. We can do this by putting teams to the sword early in the season.
Last weeks visit to London was the only one I have missed so far and I remain marginally encouraged overall.

DJMc
18/10/2019 11:32
For me it will be interesting to see how Nagusa goes at No.8. I thought last season he was ponderous, his ball handling skills left a lot to be desired and he was a penalty machine. I hope that he has had good preseason and now goes on to prove me wrong for having doubts.

GeordieFalcon
18/10/2019 19:28
30 mins gone and im sorry but they are a poor side...and we look absolutely clueless and toothless in attack.

Awful



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Gosforth
18/10/2019 21:24
Radwan try was worth the admission fee

Barry555
18/10/2019 21:35
Quite a few errors in large patches of the game. But when the lads clicked looked very dangerous. Starting to play a few more phases in our own 22 before putting boot to ball which is a slight change from last season. Set piece dominance so canít complain about that.

Very much like the team selection so far this season. Players with regular Prem experience with a smattering of academy boys like Montgomery etc. I think we will see different lads given regular Opportunities to mingle with the ďseniorsĒ. Whatís good is Dean hasnít gone too heavy with selecting the young lads .... balance is key!

Yeah Radwan try was awesome. Lad has bags of potential!

alas
18/10/2019 21:38
I must have been watching a different game to Smithy's match report because the Falcons were incredibly shoddy with the ball in hand for most of the game. Inaccurate passing, knock-ons, going from side to side, taking the ball standing still, support either not there or not used. There was also some awful kicking from hand. The performance was much worse than against Doncaster.

Falc Dancer
18/10/2019 21:47
A better performance from last week and 5 points secured
Not quite sure why we seem to want the backs to have all the ball, let the forwards plough for a few yards from time to time
Last week he weather was poor so I gave the line out the benefit of the doubt but today the weather was no excuse and it still malfunctioned too regularly
The scrum was incrediblely strong and gave us good platform to play off even when it wasnít our put in
Defence was solid
Plenty room for improvement but getting there

GeordieFalcon
18/10/2019 21:58
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alas
I must have been watching a different game to Smithy's match report because the Falcons were incredibly shoddy with the ball in hand for most of the game. Inaccurate passing, knock-ons, going from side to side, taking the ball standing still, support either not there or not used. There was also some awful kicking from hand. The performance was much worse than against Doncaster.
I agree.
I was was scratching my head about what has improved since the last game of last season....and couldnt think of anything

BedfordFalcon
18/10/2019 22:04
Having had a good look at the squad in the program on my way home plus reflecting on what I saw tonight it seems to me that we have an immense set of forwards. As already commented on we should use all that power up front to dominate teams. And only then set the backs free. Tonight we seemed far too eager to throw the ball about early on and deep in our own half. Can't do that down in Cornwall next week as they'll punish our mistakes.

Barry555
18/10/2019 22:14
Whilst it wasnít a top notch performance by any stretch and was riddled with errors. We need to work on all aspects of our game and the only way to do that effectively is by doing it in competition. We could have went against Hartpury with any game plan/style tonight and still comfortably won.

This match wasnít next week in Cornwall. It was tonight at Kingston Park.

JustAnotherOnlooker
18/10/2019 22:19
Started and ended very strongly with some very average patches in the middle.

We really need to work on passing and handling as well as our lineout which looked shakey to be kind.

Also, we need to calm down a bit when running with the ball. Not everything needs to be offloaded and it's not a sign of defeat to go down after a tackle.

Saying that though our pack was outstanding and the kicking game is night and day from last season.

pityacker
18/10/2019 22:52
Apart from a fantastic try from Radwan and a huge 50 minutes or so from Rodney Ah You I found it difficult to generate any enthusiasm and a big improvement will be needed to get anything from the Pirates next week.

Rogerandout
19/10/2019 05:17
No flow to the game. The delays at scrum time an line outs need to be minimised if our tempo and conditioning is to benefit us. Ah you was outstanding.
I think that our creativity is a problem. I am sorry to say it but this is Floods last season we need to work hard now on Hodgson and another 10. Radwan scored another Radwan try and Stevenson finished very impressively on both occasions.
We certainly did not put in a performance as dominant as the score line. The majority of the second half belonged to Hartpury. We were ok but no better than that.

steve1888
19/10/2019 06:02
Stevenson was an offload away from a brilliant hat trick. Wacokecoke was lovely too and still think was unforgivable not giving him and Radwan chances to freshen our attack last season

Exiled Falcon
19/10/2019 07:18
Agree wholeheartedly re Radwan Steve. Wasnít there so canít comment on the performance although 5 points with seemingly an iffy display is a decent return to be fair. Find a few of the comments worrying however, after a long close season we really shouldnít need to work on anything, it should have been done to death in training and we should have been able to hit the ground running.

telfs123
19/10/2019 08:36
It seems our management reviewed last season, identified the problems and decided that our attacking tactics wasnít one of them.
That was dire. Attack is still based around individual breaks. Basic skills lacking.
Got home from the match and watched Bristol, and the difference in attacking play, basic skills and ambition is monstrous. We look like 15 blokes who met in the changing room before kick off.

Biggest sign we havenít changed tactics- Matavesi, having not been in preseason, can come straight in at 12. He knows the plan- kick it, pass it to a slow moving forward or slowly pass it along the line until your wing either makes a break or gets thumped.

And still playing Flood at 10... Iím sure Hodgson and Cam N-K are likely to develop well when they get 2 minutes at the end of the match.

Smithy, is Josh Hodge injured? (No worries if you canít say)

markismith50
19/10/2019 08:42
Yes

GeordieFalcon
19/10/2019 11:11
Telfs

You pretty much summed up how i and many people around me felt last night.

NorfolkFalcon
19/10/2019 15:22
I wasnít at the game but the majority of comments are worrying. It seems that we are sticking to the same principles that didnít work last season to get back to the Premiership.

We should and most likely will go up this season but how are we going to evolve into a Premiership side if itís the same coaching staff that are frankly not prepared to change?

alas
19/10/2019 16:04
Another 5 point win for the Pirates today so the Falcons will have to be a lot better next week.

pityacker
19/10/2019 16:07
Next weeks opponents Pirates away to Doncaster won 25 -44 that's two bonus point wins and a huge improvement needed to get get anything at cornwall next week.

telfs123
19/10/2019 18:13
Also refreshing from the Bristol game was Pat Lam. Open and honest chat about the team, what went well, what didnít, with some tactical breakdown and good humour, information on injuries. You can see why Bristol have a freedom when they play. There seems to be a no blame culture-the opposite of Falcons where Deanoís culture is blame everyone except me.

And I donít understand people saying ďoh itís good we didnít throw too many kids out thereĒ. Bristol had an 18 year old on the bench and several young players on the field. Northampton played multiple young players last season and to start this. Other teams will do the same. I have zero faith Deano has a clue what heís doing with the likes of Nordli-Kelemeti, Obonna, Passman, Stevenson, Pascoe and Hodge.

markismith50
19/10/2019 19:30
Telfs, yes, Josh has been injured pretty much all summer.

Exiled Falcon
20/10/2019 07:06
To back up your last point Telfs, Marcus Smith at Quins was playing Premiership rugby at 18/19 in one on the most pivotal positions on the field, canít ever see that happening to us unfortunately.

Falc Dancer
20/10/2019 07:47
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Exiled Falcon
To back up your last point Telfs, Marcus Smith at Quins was playing Premiership rugby at 18/19 in one on the most pivotal positions on the field, canít ever see that happening to us unfortunately.

Out of curiosity who from our academy would you play in the first team and ahead of which established player?

Given that Blamire and Montgomery have started league games this season I think Dean is looking to rotate the squad and give youth a chance

Last season Radwan was behind Goneva, Sinoti and arguably Kibirige. The issues wasnít always the wingers not being good enough it was the supply they received

Exiled Falcon
20/10/2019 08:19
Radwan has proved he will score whether he receives service or not. Got the feeling no matter how well he did he wouldnít get a string of games. In fact I could say that about both him and Kibirige, they never looked like they would get a good run. (Just my opionion FD).

Again, maybe Iím wrong but if we had Smith for instance in the same circumstances I just couldnít see him being our first choice 10 at that age and size. Again, just my opinion.

As for giving youth a chance, if heís not doing it this season he never will, so it shouldnít be a surprise the likes of Monty and Blamire getting a run out, you could maybe argue Blamire should have had more exposure last season or two.

telfs123
20/10/2019 08:20
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Falc Dancer
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Exiled Falcon
To back up your last point Telfs, Marcus Smith at Quins was playing Premiership rugby at 18/19 in one on the most pivotal positions on the field, canít ever see that happening to us unfortunately.

Out of curiosity who from our academy would you play in the first team and ahead of which established player?

Given that Blamire and Montgomery have started league games this season I think Dean is looking to rotate the squad and give youth a chance

Last season Radwan was behind Goneva, Sinoti and arguably Kibirige. The issues wasnít always the wingers not being good enough it was the supply they received

Last season when Goneva/Sinoti were injured we regularly played Arscott/Tait on the wing.

My point is most specifically related to the progression of this season. We want to get to the end of the season with multiple young players as key parts of our team. Specifically the key areas there for us are 9,10, centre and 15. I have zero faith that will happen. For example I wouldnít be surprised if by the end of the season Josh Hodge has 1-2 starts. Right now Iíd have Cam N-K starting at 9, Hodgson at 10, Haydon-Wood on the bench for multiple games (home v Hartbury is a lovely time to give a young Guy their first game time).

I think weíd all prefer to get to next season with a backline that has played together a lot, with high basic skills, pace and tactically astute.
We could launch into the premiership (hopefully) with our backs squad depth as

Cam N-K/Pascoe/Takalua
Hodgson/Haydon Wood

Sinoti/Passman
Williams (health obviously as a priority) Wilson/Stevenson
Wacokecoke/Obonna
Radwan
Hodge

Falc Dancer
20/10/2019 08:35
Radwan might score tries but his defence lets him down at times. He wouldnít get the space in the Premiership that he had on Fri night to score. Premiership defences are too well drilled

Nordi-Kelemeti does look a talent but Stuart has looked really sharp this season and doesnít deserve to miss out based upon form

I feel if Dean threw in the likes of Nordii-Kelemeti, Hayden-Wood and we lost then heíd get it in the neck. He canít win

We need a balance of youth and experience, itís a long season and promotion is the most important thing
Thereís plenty time for Hodge (registered at DMP this season) and alike once the season settles down and we get some points on the board

Thereís been a lot said about Charlie Wilson over the last 2 years but heís behind the likes of Wacokecoke whoís been superb this season. Having them both in would be a mistake and leave us light on experience and size. Matavesi alongside Wacokecoke is perfect for his development

Stevenson has also been involved this season and gained some good experience, scored a few tries

Normally the cup would have provided the youth with Ann opportunity to get game time but we used those games as pre season games

alas
20/10/2019 16:02
Zach scored a couple of tries for Wasps today. The Falcons were the lowest try scorers in the league last season. The Falcons were in dire need of more tries yet Richards rarely played the two wingers most likely to score a try.

markismith50
20/10/2019 16:34
Five wins from five, and still so much grief on here. Can we not just look forwards? Just this once? Pretty please!



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pcfalcon
20/10/2019 17:22
Well said Mark, couldn't agree more.

Wensleydale Falcon
20/10/2019 17:27
Absolutely Mark!! However, I donít think it will ever happen with some posters as they appear to be happy being unhappy (although we must respect everyoneís opinion)
The positive slant on the situation would be that weíve not really clicked just yet but still won 5 out of 5....surely that puts us in a good place!!

markismith50
20/10/2019 18:16
My comment was very much tongue in cheek, just in case it came across as having a pop. I fully accept everyoneís right to post their opinion.

Falc Dancer
20/10/2019 18:31
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markismith50
Five wins from five, and still so much grief on here. Can we not just look forwards? Just this once? Pretty please!

Yes Smithy I agree

Falc Dancer
20/10/2019 18:36
Will there be highlights of Fridays game available next week Smithy?

Bedlington Lad
21/10/2019 08:38
A good win, I did think we could have trucked the ball up with the forwards a bit more to make space for the runners but another win. I guess not having a pre-season means the guys are a bit rusty but still getting the wins.

markismith50
21/10/2019 09:06
Falc dancer. Yes, we should be able to do that. It's not me who personally deals with the video output, but I've forwarded the raw footage on to them to edit and upload.

Falc Dancer
21/10/2019 12:29
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markismith50
Falc dancer. Yes, we should be able to do that. It's not me who personally deals with the video output, but I've forwarded the raw footage on to them to edit and upload.

Cheers Smithy
Anything from the Heriots game?

markismith50
21/10/2019 12:40
No, nothing from Heriot's.

Hartpury highlights link: [www.newcastlefalcons.co.uk]

Falc Dancer
21/10/2019 12:45
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markismith50
No, nothing from Heriot's.
Hartpury highlights link: [www.newcastlefalcons.co.uk]

Cheers for the link Smithy
Not even a match report for Heriots?

markismith50
21/10/2019 12:48
FD, no, the late rescheduling of the Heriot's game regrettably meant we were not able to staff it on this very rare occasion.

Falc Dancer
21/10/2019 14:01
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markismith50
FD, no, the late rescheduling of the Heriot's game regrettably meant we were not able to staff it on this very rare occasion.

Thanks Smithy, nevermind this is understandable

Barry555
21/10/2019 19:31
Beat a team 45-7 and people go on like itís the end of the world. I understand it wasnít a great performance but there are plenty of positives to take from this. Thought Montgomery had a great game in the row. Scrum looks very strong .... agree own line out needs more accuracy but defensively look sound.

Only so much you can do in training , takes actual full blooded games to try things and especially with a host of new signings/academy players getting starts It will be clunky at times.

Dean isnít going to put numerous academy players into a league game when it is absolute non negotiable that we get promoted first time round - wouldnít want to even think about the financial implications of not going back up first time around. Looks like heís drip feeding the players in a handful at a time - Montgomery this time so wonder whoís turn itíll be next match.

I think about the midway point we will start seeing some serious rugby being played by the boys.

Exiled Falcon
21/10/2019 20:54
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Barry555
Beat a team 45-7 and people go on like itís the end of the world.

Itís a forum Baz, a vehicle for expressing opinions. It would be really tedious if everyone said we were rubbish just as it would be tedious if everyone said we were great. People who were at the game have expressed their views, some positive, a lot negative. Donít think I saw anyone say it was the end of the world.

Last year sucked, supporters just want to see glimpses of light, thatís all.

Barry555
21/10/2019 22:07
100% agree and Iím not having a go at people sharing their views as you say creates discussion. Suppose Iím just the type to focus on the positives more!

CharlieDog
21/10/2019 23:13
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Exiled Falcon
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Barry555
Beat a team 45-7 and people go on like itís the end of the world.

Itís a forum Baz, a vehicle for expressing opinions. It would be really tedious if everyone said we were rubbish just as it would be tedious if everyone said we were great. People who were at the game have expressed their views, some positive, a lot negative. Donít think I saw anyone say it was the end of the world.

Last year sucked, supporters just want to see glimpses of light, thatís all.

Totally agree - everybody is entitled to an opinion however naff other people think it might be - my ongoing opinion of Mr Flood is not, for example, universally appreciated (though the best bit of Friday night was watching Joel putting people through gaps with ease - wonder what 80 minutes of that might have looked like?). I am however delighted that Deano is responsible for picking the team rather than some doom mongers on here - but that is just an opinion of course......

The Bobster
22/10/2019 02:14
How was the attendance? Just watched the highlights and it looks like a fair few souls there, hopefully make it back from work in time for the Jersey game... I hope.

markismith50
22/10/2019 05:57
Crowd was 4.2k

SirBurger
22/10/2019 15:39
If it is any consolation, we (London Irish) were poor at times last season (especially at the start). It is a long season and the key thing is to come up at the first time of asking. It is difficult for the coaches to achieve this essential goal and blood youngsters at the same time. Be patient - there will be time to develop the game plan and bring in the young lads towards the back end of the season once promotion looks more guaranteed.

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