GP Results Roadmap: 09-10 Round 8


By Quaking Quin
November 27 2009

Last year there was talk of silverware in the trophy cabinet beneath the LV= Stand but this season we see the game from a different perspective. Not the best of starts but is it a bad as it looks? The Results Roadmap sorts the ‘must wins’ from the ’bad days at the office’.

To work out where Quins are likely to end up in the GP the table below sets out the games and the points needed to:

  1. avoid relegation in 11th
  2. finish in 6th & HEC qualification
  3. achieve a top 4 play-off slot, or
  4. fantasy 1st place finish.

 

 

 

The Results Roadmap is based on the average of total points scored/games/bonus points won from the last 9 GP seasons - when there has been 12 teams and the bonus point scoring system. Over that period:

  • 1st  has won 16 games and accumulated around 77 points each season
  • 4th has won 13 games and ended with 62 points
  • 6th has won 11 games and 55 points
  • 11th spot is the minimum to avoid relegation. The lowest points count to survive was 33, by Bath in 2001-02, and the highest total not to survive was Quins in 2004-05 with 38. The target therefore is 40 points – 8 wins and 8 bonus points (draws in the Roadmap count as bonus points).

 

The table is easy to use – just look at the last column to see how many actual points Quins have won so far and compare them with the second column under each of the four finishing place columns. With 13 points todate, Quins fall half way between 6th and 11th. This means on current form they are likely to finish 9th or 10th next May.

 

Regaining lost points isn’t as easy as it looks – and highlights the phenomenum of the ‘must win’ games. To get to the magic total at the bottom of the columns Quins have to pick up all their ‘4’ and ‘5’ point matches. They can only make up lost ground by winning the more difficult loses valued at ‘0’ or ‘1’ and winning against higher placed teams.

 

Although Deano denied having such a table down at his office in Roehampton, it is an essential tool for monitoring previous performances and tactical team selection for up-and-coming matches. If you look at the next 4 GP games, the first three are all ‘must wins’ requiring a full 1st XV turn-out each time – NEv, Easter, DC and Ugo all on duty.

 

The following 5 games include three ‘0’ or ‘1’ point games Quins could afford to lose without any serious consequences and could rest players. Alternatively, they could field at least one full squad to regain lost ground and by winning one of them would be right back into top 6 contention. So that means the coaches need to target the next 5 or 6 games – something  Deano did regularly – to put the season back on track.

 

The table is based on averages but has proved over the past few seasons to be accurate throughout the various rounds. Points accumulated are more important than the current league position because points mean prizes and things only even out over the full season. Sarries (who finished 9th last time) have upset the stats for a number of clubs so far but if you compare the points in the GP table after each round you will see how close the placings really are – had Quins gained 33 points they would now be one point ahead of Sarries in top spot, and had they managed only 8 points they would be equal bottom with Leeds.

 

So next time you hear John Kingston in a post match interview saying he was ‘happy with the positives from the team’s performance’ after just being mullered in a no-hoper by the Tigers you will know he was actually saying ‘we didn’t expect to win that one and were trying a couple of different tactical options’.

 

So not such a bad start after all for those whose glasses are perpetually half full.

 

 

GP Roadmap Table 09/10:
Rd Game Date 11th Place 6th place 4th Place 1st Place Actual
Points
Pts Total Pts Total Pts Total Pts Total
1 Wasps 05/09/09 a 0 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 (0)   0
2 Tigers 12/09/09 h 0 0 0 1 1 2 4 5 (1)   1
3 Sarries 19/09/09 h 4 4 5 6 5 7 5 10 (0)   1
4 Falcon 26/09/09 a 1 5 1 7 4 11 5 15 (2)   3
5 Bath 03/10/09 h 1 6 4 11 4 15 5 20 (4)   7
6 Wuzz 24/10/09 a 1 7 4 15 4 19 5 25 (4)   11
7 Irish 31/10/09 h 1 8 1 16 1 20 4 29 (2)   13
8 Saints 21/11/09 a 0 8 1 17 1 21 4 33 (0)   13
9 Glaws 28/11/09 h 4 12 4 21 4 25 4 37
10 Leeds 04/12/09 a 4 16 5 26 5 30 5 42

 

11 Wasps 27/01/09 h 4 20 4 30 4 34 4 46
               Halfway

 

 

20

 

30

 

34

 

46

 

12 Sale 01/01/10 a 0 20 0 30 0 34 1 47
13 Leeds 14/02/10 h 5 25 5 35 5 39 5 52
14 Glaws 21/02/10 a 0 25 1 36 1 40 1 53
15 Saints 01/03/10 h 4 29 4 40 4 44 4 57
16 Irish 07/03/10 a 0 29 0 40 0 44 1 58
17 Irish 15/03/10 h 5 34 5 45 5 49 5 63
18 Bath 22/03/10 a 0 34 0 45 0 49 1 64
19 Falcon 28/03/10 h 4 38 5 50 5 54 5 69
20 Sarries 04/04/10 a 1 39 1 51 4 58 4 73
21 Tigers 17/04/10 a 0 39 0 51 0 58 0 73
22 Sale 25/04/10 h 1 40 4 55 4 62 4 77
              Final Total

 

 

40

 

55

 

62

 

77

 

 

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GP Results Roadmap: 09-10 Round 8
Discussion started by ComeAllWithin.co.uk , 27/11/2009 10:07
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The Prof
27/11/2009 10:27
Many thanks QQ - interesting reading as always

deadlyfrom5yardsout
27/11/2009 10:58
Thats brilliant QQ, thanks! All I need to do now is work it all out on a predictive basis, but I am not sure I'm clever enough to do that.....

The game's afoot;
Follow your spirit: and upon this charge,
Cry — God for Harry! England and Saint George

Quaking Quin
30/11/2009 23:45
Great win but Quins have to serve up that type of performance consistly in the GP.

To begin to think of top 6 Leeds and Wasps are 'must wins'. And to really make up ground a win away to Sale, though not expected, would be very hardy - as well as very do-able.

Jammy Git
01/12/2009 00:01
Now that's a cracking article, QQ. Great stuff, genuinely interesting.

So, 18 points - not far behind the target for 6th and you'd hope we can kick on from here. If we don't, we don't deserve a HEC spot.

Quin Like Flint
01/12/2009 09:12
Great fun. A couple of observations - the points required from individual matches seem to be based very much on last season's form. e.g. the away game at Sarries is rated as easier than the ones at Gloucester and Sale. I don't think that is the case going on current performance. Also, the general lack of tries this year may well make a difference to the distribution of bonus points, and so affect the totals for each position come the end of the season.

schlinks
01/12/2009 14:04
Should I point out that we are playing Irish 3 times this season, I know we all like a good derby but that doesn't seem to be following the league rules.

Quint Eastwood
01/12/2009 19:07
Let's hope the boys have a good journey to Leeds.

A bonus point victory looks essential for the upwardly mobile Quins and should leave any relegation fears to the Carnegie mob and Bath.

Jammy Git
01/12/2009 19:19
Quote:
schlinks
Should I point out that we are playing Irish 3 times this season, I know we all like a good derby but that doesn't seem to be following the league rules.

One of those is Worcs I think.

IMT
01/12/2009 20:15
From my result tracker that I do (yes I know I'm sad).

The team have 6 less league points than they did after round 9 last season.

Also, match for match we're just 3 points worse off than last season.

All is not lost by any means.

IMT
01/12/2009 20:21
Another sad fact is our average GP home attendance this season so far is 11270.6

And the only home game (against same opposition) to see a year on year increase in attandance is the Irish game.

Round wise this years first home game against Leicester did have a higher attendance than last years first home game against Brizzle. The remaining GP rounds so far have seen a attendance drop year on year.

deadlyfrom5yardsout
04/12/2009 00:03
So much for any Publicity being good Publicity then....?

The game's afoot;
Follow your spirit: and upon this charge,
Cry — God for Harry! England and Saint George

DOK.
04/12/2009 08:37
Unless we'd have lost more without the publicity

Quinneth Paltrow
04/12/2009 08:43
on crowd figures, part of the problem with early games is that we dont get the Community teams coming in, as they are not allowed to play before ( I think) 1 October. This reduces attendance in the first three games. As we played Tigers at HQ last year, that is out of the equation as well. So a bit difficult to do the stats until year end.

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