The Good & The Bad: Quins v Sale


By Battering Ram Winger
December 15 2009

So, the villains have been out of paradise, and rightly so (according to one "paper"). And what do I think? GOOD -

1). The spectacle -

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Sky get their money's worth out of Quins. Two teams who looked to run when they could and one team (see below) showing how tactical kicking is part of the game.

2). The scrum -

Despite some mystifying decisions from Chris White, we looked good against Sale's scrum, although them playing two locks who weighed less than I do may have helped.

3). George Lowe -

Missed a tackle or two, but for a small child playing out of position he did really, really well. He carries the ball far harder than his frame would suggest, he finds gaps and even in the short time he's been in the team he's developed immensely, but he he does need to go back to 13 long term. I was rather confused as to why he came off.

4). Strettle's try -

What a try! Forget Evans' solo effort or Sale's excellent kick return try where Tait created space to shift inside, this ws a try started in our own 22 which the whole team played a part in.

5). Youth development -

Seeing the likes of Lowe and Brooker plus all the established ex-Academy types and young players we've taken on and developed (e.g. Strettle) is a nice sight.

BAD -

1). Horror show of decision making once Dickson went off -

When we were camped on their line, several times the backs had an overlap or a chance to try something different. So'oailo didn't look away from the fatties once. Terrible play.

2). Our kick chasing vs their kick chasing -

Ours - rubbish for the most part, look at Peel's try, three players converged on McLeod, no one even challenged, one pass took all of them out of the game.

Theirs - Spot on every time. Try time.

3). Breakdown problems -

Their backrow, plus their hooker who is a flanker, plus speedy Gaskell helped to wreck our ball.

4). Lineout -

Sometimes good, sometimes bad. So the same complaint since...well, since I've been watching Quins.

5). Passing and handling -

We play an up tempo game so you expect knock-ons at times, but we were passing as though the recipient was at Twickenham. Sadly, they were in The Stoop. Nick Evans was particularly culpable at times. Which made it even more frustrating given the back row to hooker to winger offloads for Strettle's try.

But ultimately, we weren't going to get out of this group after the first couple of games so it was nice to see a game where people wanted to do something with the ball other than kick the leather off it.

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The Good & The Bad: Quins v Sale
Discussion started by ComeAllWithin.co.uk , 15/12/2009 00:05
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rodders1
15/12/2009 00:17
.... Nigel Owens ? ........

JTD
15/12/2009 01:51
Yes, I wondered what Chris White was doing!

It was a master class by Quins on how to try hard but butcher chances...very frustrating!

Well done Sale. I bet Wasps are quaking in their boots!!!
Assuming its not raining on the 27th.

jonf
15/12/2009 07:30
Good points made. Thanks.

Battering Ram Winger
15/12/2009 09:09
Nigel Owens, yes. Possibly I was confusing the two given Owens' poor show at the scrum! Also, it should read "have been kicked out of paradise"...

D'oh!

johnlid
15/12/2009 09:11
Good point We didn't concede a penalty immediately after our try

Bad point. We conceded a try

OK, we have to accept that even a player as good as Easter will make a mistake by dropping a catch, it happens, but we were totally unprepared for the consequences. This was a defensive position for us in our own 22 but there was no-one, it seemed, to cover a possible mistake.

Jammy Git
15/12/2009 10:49
I think with the benefit of hindsight, Skins should've been off as soon as he hurt his knee. By the time McMillan came on we were getting bested at the breakdown with monotonous regularity.

Soioalo was really poor - not just his decision making on when (not) to release the backs, but his burning desire to run straight into the nearest forward. Scrum Half For Dummies Guide for Xmas I think.

Dickson was really rather good I thought, looked to keep the pace up and his passing is quality. We do miss JTH in the centres because Tiesi's tried to become a bosher and it's not working, and everyone else keeps drifting way too much. JTH actually makes ground and breaks tackles, but it's primarily his offloads that were such a threat last season.

If Lowe keeps improving and Gonzo keeps running into brick walls, I can see 13 being a bit of a tossup by the end of the season!

The Prof
15/12/2009 11:21
To be fair to SS when you're 2 yards from the line the forwards should be able to batter their way over - continually passing the ball to the backs would not necessarily have been better

Jammy Git
15/12/2009 11:35
But we needed to score twice and the endless pick-and-go was taking far too long; we also had situations where we'd tied people in and had a full backline ready to go. If they know we're not going to pass they can defend it all day.

Quinten Poulsen
15/12/2009 12:59
Plus as BRW pointed out we wasted more than one clear overlap. I also feel Strettle would have scored during that period of pressure were it not for an awful pass by Robshaw.

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