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By CoochieCoo
September 1 2024
The Bath Squad for 2024/25 please let me know if there are any errors or omissions. This year the squad has been shown as a whole and players are notated as Senior or Academy.
| EQP | 46 | 68% | |||
| Total | 68 | ||||
| FORWARDS | 41 | ||||
| Nat | Pos | Age | Player | Contract Start and length | Sen/Acad |
| ENG | HK | 20 | Max Pearce | Renewed May 2025 | a |
| ENG | HK | 19 | Kepu Tuipulotu | Senior Acad Apr 2024 | a |
| ENG | HK | 21 | Jasper Spandler | Renewed May 2025 | a |
| ENG | HK | 22 | John Stewart | Ext Mar 2024 to end of 2025 season LEAVING | s |
| IT | HK | 30 | Hame Faiva | Nov 22 undisclosed length LEAVING | s |
| ENG | HK | 32 | Tom Dunn | Ext Feb 2025 to 2025/6 | s |
| IRE | HK | 33 | Niall Annett | Ext Feb2024 to 2025 LEAVING | s |
| WAL | PRL | 19 | Ioan Emanuel | Renewed May 2025 | a |
| SA | PRL | 20 | Scott Kirk | Scholar Aug 2022 Ext May 2024 | a |
| ENG | PRL/PRT | 21 | Mikey Summerfield | Renewed May 2025 | a |
| ENF | PRL | 22 | Archie Stanley | Signed June 2021 LEAVING | a |
| ENG | PRL | 25 | Arthur Cordwell | Acad Promotion Jun 2021 LEAVING | s |
| ENG | PRL | 28 | Beno Obano | Ext Jan 25 to 26/27 | s |
| SA | PRL | 33 | Francois van Wyk | Signed April 2024 to 2026/7 | s |
| ENG | PRT | 19 | Billy Sela | Undisclosed ext signed Nov 2024 you | a |
| WAL | PRT | 23 | Archie Griffin | Ext Jan 2024 to 2027 | s |
| ENG | PRT | 28 | Will Stuart | Ext signed Jan 2024 to 2026 | s |
| SA | PRT/PRL | 29 | Thomas Du Toit | Signed Mar 2023 unknown contract | s |
| ENG | LK/BR | 19 | Jack Bennett | Renewed May 2025 | a |
| ITA | LK | 19 | Enoch Opoku-Gyamfi | Renewed May 2025 | |
| ENG | LK | 20 | Harvey Cuckson | Renewed May 2025 | s |
| ENG | LK/BR | 20 |
Will Jeanes
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Renewed May 2025 | a |
| ENG | LK | 21 | Josh Dingley | Signed June 2021 LEAVING | a |
| ENG | LK | 29 | Charlie Ewels | Ext Jan 2024 to 2027 | s |
| IRE | LK | 30 | Ross Molony | Signed Apr 2024 to 2026-7 | s |
| IRE | LK | 33 | Quinn Roux | Ext Jan 2025 to 2026 | s |
| ENG | BR | 19 | George Timmins | Renewed May 2025 | a |
| ENG | BR | 20 | Connor Treacy | Senior Acad Apr 2024 | a |
| ENG | BR | 20 | Abdul-Khalik Akenzua Al Kareem | Sen Acad Jun 2022 LEAVING | a |
| ENG | BR | 20 | Arthur Green | Renewed May 2025 | a |
| ENG | BR | 21 | Guy Pepper | Signed April 2024 to 2026-7 | s |
| WAL | BR | 22 | Thompson Cowan | Renewed May 2025 | s |
| ENG | BR | 21 | Mackenzie Graham | Acad June 2021 Ext May 2024 LEAVING | a |
| ENG | BR | 22 | Ewan Richards | Ext Feb 2025 to 2026-7 | s |
| ENG | BR | 22 | Ethan Staddon | Ext Feb 2025 to 2025-6 | s |
| ENG | BR | 22 | Alfie Barbeary | Ext Dec 2022 long term deal unknown | s |
| ENG | BR | 25 | Ted Hill | Ext Dec 2022 long term | s |
| ENG | BR | 25 | Miles Reid | Ext February 2024 to 2027 | s |
| SCO | BR | 26 | Josh Bayliss | Ext March 2024 to 2027 | s |
| SA | BR | 28 | Jaco Coetzee | Ext Feb 2025 to 2027 | s |
| ENG | BR | 28 | Sam Underhill | Ext Apr 2024 to 2026 | s |
| BACKS | 27 | ||||
| Nat | Pos | Age | Player | Contract Start and length if known | |
| WAL | SH | 19 | Ieuan Davies | Renewed May 2025 | a |
| SA | SH | 21 | Neil le Roux | Renewed May 2025 | s |
| ENG | SH | 22 | Tom Carr-Smith | Ext March 2025 to 2025-26 | s |
| ENG | SH | 32 | Ben Spencer | Ext March 2025 to 2027-28 | s |
| SA | SH | 34 | Louis Schreuder | Ext Feb 2025 to 2025 LEAVING | s |
| ENG | FH | 19 | Raff Weston | Senior Acad May 2023 LEAVING | a |
| ENG | FH | 21 | Sam Harris | Ext Feb 2024 to 2026 | s |
| ENG | FH | 22 | Orlando Bailey | Apr 2024 to 2026 LEAVING | s |
| SCO | FH | 31 | Finn Russell | Jun 2025 extended to 2027/28 | s |
| ENG | CE | 19 | Rory Crum | Senior Academy 2024 LEAVING | a |
| ENG | CE | 19 | James Short | Sen Acad May 2023 LEAVING | a |
| ENG | CE | 21 | Will Parry | Sen Acad Ext May 2024 LEAVING | a |
| ENG | CE/WG | 20 | Charlie Griffin | Senior Acad Apr 2024 | a |
| WAL | CE | 21 | Louie Hennessey | Long term contract signed Nov 2024 | s |
| SCO | CE | 24 | Cameron Redpath | Ext Jan 2024 to 2027 | s |
| ENG | CE | 23 | Max Ojomoh | Ext Jan 2024 to 2027 | s |
| ENG | CE | 24 | Will Butt | Acad 2021 unknown contract | s |
| ENG | CE | 24 | Ollie Lawrence | Ext Jan 2025 long term 2028? | s |
| ENG | WG | 18 | Tyler Offiah | Senior Acad Apr 2024 | a |
| ENG | WG | 27 | Joe Cokanasiga | Ext Apr 2024 to 2027 | s |
| ENG | WG | 28 | Will Muir | Ext Jan 2024 to 2027 | s |
| SCO | WG | 32 | Ruaridh McConnochie | Ext May 2024 to 2024/25 LEAVING | s |
| WAL | FB | 18 | Jack Woods | Senior Academy Apr 2024 | a |
| ENG | FB/WG | 19 | Luke Graham | Joined Jan 2023 LEAVING | a |
| IRE | FB | 21 | Ciaran Donoghue | Renewed May 2025 | s |
| ENG | FB/WG | 22 | Austin Emens | Renewed May 2025 | s |
| ENG | FB | 24 | Tom de Glanville | Ext March 2024 to 2026 | s |
| Next Season Signings | |||||
| ENG | HK | 27 | Dan Frost | Signed Feb 2025 for 2025/6 two years | s |
| SCO | CE | 34 | Chris Harris | Signed May 25 for 2025/6 injury cover | |
| SA | SH | 24 | Bernard van de Linde | Signed Feb 2025 for 2025/6 two years | s |
| ARG | FB/FH | 26 | Santi Carreras | Signed Feb 2025 for 2025/6 three years | s |
| ENG | FB | 22 | Henry Arundell | signed Feb 2025 for 2025/6 three years | s |
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For ease of vision
NB: Next time I redo this, I'll push Cuckson back into the 3rd choice column - my error caused by not thinking when I shuffled Richards from lock to flank
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NB: Next time I redo this, I'll push Cuckson back into the 3rd choice column - my error caused by not thinking when I shuffled Richards from lock to flank
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Thanks PG Will Jeanes’ twin has been erased! 
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Quote:hanuman
Please change Bayliss and McConnochie nationality to Scottish
Thanks
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Sam Winters signs a proper contract
[www.bathrugby.com]
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[www.bathrugby.com]
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Kieren Verden: Turned out last week, on your list, but not on the club website?
Actually plays for Taunton. [www.facebook.com]
Archie Stanley: Turned out week before, om your list, but not on club website?
BATH supporter since 1975
Adopted players:
2015/6 Tom Homer
2016/7 Matt Banahan
2017/8 Jeff Williams
2018/9 Victor Delmas
2019/20 Semesa Rokoduguni
2020/21 Will Stuart
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Actually plays for Taunton. [www.facebook.com]
Archie Stanley: Turned out week before, om your list, but not on club website?
BATH supporter since 1975
Adopted players:
2015/6 Tom Homer
2016/7 Matt Banahan
2017/8 Jeff Williams
2018/9 Victor Delmas
2019/20 Semesa Rokoduguni
2020/21 Will Stuart
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Quote:Was released in the summer, signed for Taunton; then returned (I thought temporarily, but it looks like I got that wrong) at the beginning of the season, to cover TdT's injury, and Beno's suspensionjayeatman
Kieren Verden: Turned out last week, on your list, but not on the club website?
Actually plays for Taunton. [www.facebook.com]
[www.somersetlive.co.uk]
Started against Bristol a couple of days ago
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Think you are right WT on verden.
Maybe just keeps getting extended ... now sela is out maybe extended again...
Maybe just keeps getting extended ... now sela is out maybe extended again...
Quote:hanuman
Please change Bayliss and McConnochie nationality to Scottish
Why? Ruaridh McConnochie has two England caps.
see Offy sw:
"In January 2023, McConnochie was included in the Scotland squad for the 2023 Six Nations Championship, becoming eligible under a World Rugby rule that allows players to switch national teams after a three-year period of inactivity with their previous team."
PG
"In January 2023, McConnochie was included in the Scotland squad for the 2023 Six Nations Championship, becoming eligible under a World Rugby rule that allows players to switch national teams after a three-year period of inactivity with their previous team."
PG
OK, cheers PG he is still listed as English online when I checked.
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
As far as I can tell Ruraidh hasn't actually been included in a Scotland match day squad, so technically I think he's still EQP.
Yes, he’s eligible for both teams but has actually played for England so listing him as English seems more logical to me.
Quote:P G Tips
see Offy sw:
"In January 2023, McConnochie was included in the Scotland squad for the 2023 Six Nations Championship, becoming eligible under a World Rugby rule that allows players to switch national teams after a three-year period of inactivity with their previous team."
PG
The paragraph before the above
“ McConnochie earned his first full England cap against Italy in September 2019 and went on to score his first international try during the 2019 Rugby World Cup group stage win over the USA. Despite his early promise, he wasn't selected for England again after the World Cup, making him eligible to play for Scotland through his Scottish parents.”
So is he English or Scottish? Perhaps I should give him a 0.5 each!
He’s eligible for both, same as many uncapped players, but counts as EQP for those quotas and has an English flag on his shirt so listing him as English makes most sense.
Pleased to say I was in Kobe to witness Ruraidh's one and only try for England.
BATH supporter since 1975
Adopted players:
2015/6 Tom Homer
2016/7 Matt Banahan
2017/8 Jeff Williams
2018/9 Victor Delmas
2019/20 Semesa Rokoduguni
2020/21 Will Stuart
BATH supporter since 1975
Adopted players:
2015/6 Tom Homer
2016/7 Matt Banahan
2017/8 Jeff Williams
2018/9 Victor Delmas
2019/20 Semesa Rokoduguni
2020/21 Will Stuart
Best delete this post as it’s unfair to spread unfounded rumours.
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Quote:Plenty of potential secured, congratulations to those young men.
Very well done to those who have earned new contracts. Commiserations to those (quite a few) who did not and will hopefully stay in rugby and move on to other teams. I assume that these will also be announced in due course.
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
[24/25 adoptee: Francois van Wyk]
Echo that matt.
Bright futures for both those staying and moving on - as you say hopefully all the guys remain involved in the game in some way.
should be some clarification around who us leaving before the last home game.
I am not sure of the contractual status of the likes of parry, cordwell, Luke graham, short, weston, kirk, verden, mac graham, Al kareem.
Assume these guys are moving on to pastures new- annett, faiva, stewart, schreuder, rmc
Bright futures for both those staying and moving on - as you say hopefully all the guys remain involved in the game in some way.
should be some clarification around who us leaving before the last home game.
I am not sure of the contractual status of the likes of parry, cordwell, Luke graham, short, weston, kirk, verden, mac graham, Al kareem.
Assume these guys are moving on to pastures new- annett, faiva, stewart, schreuder, rmc
Great news! Plenty of high potential players in that group.
Agree that it would be nice to get a confirmed list of academy leavers as well, from taking a look at our listed senior academy players on the website, the ones that aren't mentioned in this announcement are:
(Bold = assume will be retained/sign extensions)
Abdul-Khalik Akenzua Al-Kareem
Rory Crum
Josh Dingley (retired?)
Mackenzie Graham
Luke Graham
Charlie Griffin
Scott Kirk
Tyler Offiah
Will Parry
Vilikesa Sela (already extended)
James Short
Connor Treacy
Kepueli Tuipulotu
Raf Weston
Jack Woods
So I'm guessing we could have around ~10 leavers from the academy.
Also I liked that in the club's Instagram post announcing this they showed each player's international eligibility, only slight surprise was that Cuckson is listed as eligible for both England and Wales, given the state of the Welsh side it does make me wonder whether he might be a future target for one of the provinces.
Agree that it would be nice to get a confirmed list of academy leavers as well, from taking a look at our listed senior academy players on the website, the ones that aren't mentioned in this announcement are:
(Bold = assume will be retained/sign extensions)
Abdul-Khalik Akenzua Al-Kareem
Rory Crum
Josh Dingley (retired?)
Mackenzie Graham
Luke Graham
Charlie Griffin
Scott Kirk
Tyler Offiah
Will Parry
Vilikesa Sela (already extended)
James Short
Connor Treacy
Kepueli Tuipulotu
Raf Weston
Jack Woods
So I'm guessing we could have around ~10 leavers from the academy.
Also I liked that in the club's Instagram post announcing this they showed each player's international eligibility, only slight surprise was that Cuckson is listed as eligible for both England and Wales, given the state of the Welsh side it does make me wonder whether he might be a future target for one of the provinces.
Just wonder if Jack Woods might move (Wales) and Will Parry might be a keeper from that list.
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
Sorry, found a better thread
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Still not much of a sign of any trimming of the budget for next season given the cap doesn't go up and you've got £100K's incoming in those announced so far.
It'll be fascinating to see who the big money leavers are.
I'm thinking Coka and at least two others if the books are to balance.
It'll be fascinating to see who the big money leavers are.
I'm thinking Coka and at least two others if the books are to balance.
Correct.
A club that hasn't announced it's departures yet, still hasn't announced it's departures yet.
Good sleuthing.
I can guarantee you, departures will be happening.
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A club that hasn't announced it's departures yet, still hasn't announced it's departures yet.
Good sleuthing.
I can guarantee you, departures will be happening.
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We have signed 4 players (frost/van de linde/ arundell/carreras).
4 have already gone during the season (du plessis/erskine/dingley/grace).
Sure several others will get announced in the next few weeks including the likes of annett, faiva (italy international), graham, schreuder (south African international) , rmc (eng international).
Seem to take a huge interest in our wage bill paul.
You may be right about there being one or two 'surprise' big name departures, we shall see...all will be revealed etc.
4 have already gone during the season (du plessis/erskine/dingley/grace).
Sure several others will get announced in the next few weeks including the likes of annett, faiva (italy international), graham, schreuder (south African international) , rmc (eng international).
Seem to take a huge interest in our wage bill paul.
You may be right about there being one or two 'surprise' big name departures, we shall see...all will be revealed etc.
Quote:Charlieboa1
Seem to take a huge interest in our wage bill paul.
I find the whole Salary Cap fascinating.
The management and complexity of it is bewildering and the planning involved is incredible.
I'm as interested in how Falcons manage on their £3.5m as Bath do on their £8m+ (including all allowances and marquee)
You've listed mainly peripheral squad players and even writing that they're Internationals doesn't change that you know they're low salary players.
Those players alone are unlikely to cut it which is why it's interesting to me which higher value players will go.
What I had stupidly forgotten was that you ofc have a guaranteed home SemiFinal. So there's still time for the club to announce which players are leaving and them to have a nice send off after that game.
Quote:Fair enough, that's typically key to when these things are announced.PaulHerox
What I had stupidly forgotten was that you ofc have a guaranteed home SemiFinal. So there's still time for the club to announce which players are leaving and them to have a nice send off after that game.
Question for us this year is if we want that sort of distraction at a home SF if there's a couple of big names were relying on.
I would still expect so though
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Quote:Charlieboa1
We have signed 4 players (frost/van de linde/ arundell/carreras).
.
Yes.
Frost- Faiva and Annett known departures
van de Linde - Schreuder -expected departure:
the above equal out the wage bill.
Arundell - McConnochie departure. Probably equals out the wage bill- if not, does not require Bath to shed many to do so - could be from Faiva/Annett above.
Carreras- replaces Gallagher, who was not replaced at end of last season.
Where actually is the financial gap?
PG
You think Carreras and Gallagher would be on roughly the same salary?
Regardless, Gallagher might not have been replaced but as you're up to cap that money isn't sitting unused it's gone. That means the entirety of Carreras salary has to be balanced by leaving players.
Regardless, Gallagher might not have been replaced but as you're up to cap that money isn't sitting unused it's gone. That means the entirety of Carreras salary has to be balanced by leaving players.
Quote:PaulHeroxQuote:Charlieboa1
Seem to take a huge interest in our wage bill paul.
I find the whole Salary Cap fascinating.
The management and complexity of it is bewildering and the planning involved is incredible.
I'm as interested in how Falcons manage on their £3.5m as Bath do on their £8m+ (including all allowances and marquee)
You've listed mainly peripheral squad players and even writing that they're Internationals doesn't change that you know they're low salary players.
Those players alone are unlikely to cut it which is why it's interesting to me which higher value players will go.
What I had stupidly forgotten was that you ofc have a guaranteed home SemiFinal. So there's still time for the club to announce which players are leaving and them to have a nice send off after that game.
It's certainly complex and bewildering.
So 4 players in , one of whom will be on good money (carreras), one on nothing likely the money some seem to assume (arundell) and 2 who will prob be as peripheral/ low salary as many of the leavers.
So not sure why 10-15 outgoings can't equate to 4 incomings but could be 1 or 2 bigger names to go as you say.
Seems an assumption that all the existing squad will be on deals going north. Spencer is rumoured to be taking a big hit for the security of a 3 year deal for example. Dunn and roux for example prob at the stage where every season is a bonus.
We aren't exactly in sarries territory when they had an absurd squad winning prems and Europe left, right and centre.
Do think next year will be a huge challenge - likes of stuart, tdt, finn off contract. Think this season and next are our big opp to win silverware and we have made a good start. .
Imagine most have already read this but its interesting:
[www.telegraph.co.uk].
1. Yes I do-roughly speaking.
2. "We spend up to the cap" is an objective (unlike some clubs who state that they will not), but it has been publicly explained that an amount is kept back for "contingencies". That way Bath were able to employ Lawrence and Hill when Worcester folded.
3. J du Plessis left early this season- he will not have come cheap so "balanced by leaving players" has almost certainly already happened.
PG.
2. "We spend up to the cap" is an objective (unlike some clubs who state that they will not), but it has been publicly explained that an amount is kept back for "contingencies". That way Bath were able to employ Lawrence and Hill when Worcester folded.
3. J du Plessis left early this season- he will not have come cheap so "balanced by leaving players" has almost certainly already happened.
PG.
People conveniently ignore jdp when throwing stones our way.
He will have been on good money. Signed him when we couldn't get snyman over the line and bruce was personally v keen to get him in.
Real shame he left and looked v good when he played!
He will have been on good money. Signed him when we couldn't get snyman over the line and bruce was personally v keen to get him in.
Real shame he left and looked v good when he played!
Certainly some interesting takes on here.
Carreras and Gallagher on the same money.
Your club Captain and one of your consistently best players will be taking a salary of £250K? for a number of seasons.
Jacques du Plessis a journeyman SA lock was on good money.
Arundell's salary could be very reasonable if it's with a nod and a wink from England.
I've no idea what Bath spend overall but you're doing very well if you got much of a contingency with your current squad.
Interesting to read about your loan arrangement with Wuss for next season too. I'm guessing they probably won't get first dibs on Lawrence and Hill but nice to have the connection.
Best value in your entire operation is definitely your S&C.
There's always elements of fortune in player management and injuries but they've done an exceptional job the past two years.
Carreras and Gallagher on the same money.
Your club Captain and one of your consistently best players will be taking a salary of £250K? for a number of seasons.
Jacques du Plessis a journeyman SA lock was on good money.
Arundell's salary could be very reasonable if it's with a nod and a wink from England.
I've no idea what Bath spend overall but you're doing very well if you got much of a contingency with your current squad.
Interesting to read about your loan arrangement with Wuss for next season too. I'm guessing they probably won't get first dibs on Lawrence and Hill but nice to have the connection.
Best value in your entire operation is definitely your S&C.
There's always elements of fortune in player management and injuries but they've done an exceptional job the past two years.
PH there are implications that go above and beyond ‘interesting’ why not wait until all movements are announced rather than cast aspersions on posters who are trying to explain the points you are making.
There have now been a plethora of explanations now rationalising our current squad makeup. It’s time to be patient and wait and see rather than guesses and speculation.
Tyler Offiah
Opinion is based on assumptions, whereas fact is based on observation or research.
There have now been a plethora of explanations now rationalising our current squad makeup. It’s time to be patient and wait and see rather than guesses and speculation.
Quote:PaulHerox
Certainly some interesting takes on here.
Carreras and Gallagher on the same money.
Your club Captain and one of your consistently best players will be taking a salary of £250K? for a number of seasons.
I'm afraid that the point you are trying to make there is unclear, Paul. Please explain.
PG
Quote:PaulHerox
Certainly some interesting takes on here.
Carreras and Gallagher on the same money.
Your club Captain and one of your consistently best players will be taking a salary of £250K? for a number of seasons.
Jacques du Plessis a journeyman SA lock was on good money.
Arundell's salary could be very reasonable if it's with a nod and a wink from England.
I've no idea what Bath spend overall but you're doing very well if you got much of a contingency with your current squad.
Interesting to read about your loan arrangement with Wuss for next season too. I'm guessing they probably won't get first dibs on Lawrence and Hill but nice to have the connection.
Best value in your entire operation is definitely your S&C.
There's always elements of fortune in player management and injuries but they've done an exceptional job the past two years.
I... don't think you really know what salary numbers are at all do you? Average scrum half salary for the prem last year was £121k [archive.ph]
Yes, Spencer will be on more, but 250k for three years when he'll be 36 at the end of it is completely reasonable. It's well known that Spencer re-signed on reduced terms.
You've asked how players can be brought in (all four of them) and you've been clearly answered. Not sure what your point about Wuss is at all (which, btw, is just a comment made by the Wuss DoR in a fans forum, no one knows what it actually is).
You seem very bitter. Could we have Old Marovian back instead, please?
Indeed hasta, does seem a bit bitter and I also miss the input of OM.
Appears keen for someone to follow sarries on to the salary cap cheats naughty step.
My thoughts (to be ridiculed)....
Seems absolutely feasible to me for someone to take a longer contract at reduced terms in the twilight of their career and 250k/Yr for 3 seasons is hardly pocket change.
Interesting take on jdp- can't think of many average players who have over 100 appearances for montpellier. He was v good for us in his limited appearances. Could easily believe he was on c200k + ie similar or more than arundell.
Arundel is 22 yrs old and hasn't been getting a look in for racing who are a bit of a mess yet c200k isn't feasible to tempt him back to his home club!?
Literally no idea what the wuss dig is all about but keep grinding that axe.....
Appears keen for someone to follow sarries on to the salary cap cheats naughty step.
My thoughts (to be ridiculed)....
Seems absolutely feasible to me for someone to take a longer contract at reduced terms in the twilight of their career and 250k/Yr for 3 seasons is hardly pocket change.
Interesting take on jdp- can't think of many average players who have over 100 appearances for montpellier. He was v good for us in his limited appearances. Could easily believe he was on c200k + ie similar or more than arundell.
Arundel is 22 yrs old and hasn't been getting a look in for racing who are a bit of a mess yet c200k isn't feasible to tempt him back to his home club!?
Literally no idea what the wuss dig is all about but keep grinding that axe.....
Quote:P G Tips
I'm afraid that the point you are trying to make there is unclear, Paul. Please explain.
Some of the above takes on what are acceptable and realistic salaries even taking into account the other factors we know about seem unlikely to me.
Shipwreck makes a valid point that the recruitment information is all stuff that will come out at season end and an accurate understanding can better be reached then.
I'm sorry for any offence caused that was not my intention. I'll leave it there.
No worries paul, an emotive topic for all involved and felt you have been jabbing away without full info or willingness to take on board our comments but of course that's your prerogative.
We are all naturally one eyed as fans, I am prob worse than anyone!
We are all naturally one eyed as fans, I am prob worse than anyone!
Anyone know what happened to Old Marovian? He stopped posting on the Sarries board at the same time I think - hope he is OK.
Faiva won't have been in this years cap. Jacques Du Plessis played 16 mins of 1 Prem game so unfortunately I think he is?
Telegraph reported Arundell coming back for £190k a season which I would expect is considerably less than Joe C but more than Grace and Ruaridh McConnochie?
No idea what Gallagher will have been on but he was not playing regularly for Munster (511 mins in 20/21 and 358 mins in 21/22) so I would guess pretty cheap. He played a lot for Bath so I would imagine that his next contract would have been a lot more (hence the move alongside Italian aspirations?).
Anyway, Bath aren't just going to sign a load of new people without considering whether they fit under the cap, so I have no concerns about this. Expect to see a fair number leave / released across the whole squad though.
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Faiva won't have been in this years cap. Jacques Du Plessis played 16 mins of 1 Prem game so unfortunately I think he is?
Telegraph reported Arundell coming back for £190k a season which I would expect is considerably less than Joe C but more than Grace and Ruaridh McConnochie?
No idea what Gallagher will have been on but he was not playing regularly for Munster (511 mins in 20/21 and 358 mins in 21/22) so I would guess pretty cheap. He played a lot for Bath so I would imagine that his next contract would have been a lot more (hence the move alongside Italian aspirations?).
Anyway, Bath aren't just going to sign a load of new people without considering whether they fit under the cap, so I have no concerns about this. Expect to see a fair number leave / released across the whole squad though.
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Whoever wins the Premiership is subject to enhanced scrutiny with regards to the salary cap including communications between club, plays and agents. This is all well known and has been for some time, so it would be exceedingly stupid for any club to break the salary cap as is clearly being implied. It would of course be interesting to know what the contract values of all players are and be able to see how the books balance, but that is not the reality at present, so the Salary Cap Manager has to be trusted.
I think in the round because of the excellent academy set up we now have, we are in a good place. We have 4 new signings, two of whom are likely to be expensive. To balance that we could afford to lose up to 8 existing senior players (including JdP, Faiva, Schreuder, Annett, McConnochie) replacing the other 4 with academy promotions.
We don't need a big signing to replace JdP, Richards is more than ready to step up.
We could probably afford to lose one of Stuart/TdT/Griffin. (I suspect Griffin in particular is desperate for more first team game time).
Across the back row, with Staddon, Cowan & Green challenging the magnificent 7, we could afford to lose one or two. No idea who though.
With long term injuries to Lawrence & Harris, there's much less slack in the backs.
To keep those next generation players like Sela, Tuipulotu, Bennett, Jeanes, Green, Hennessy, Emens, Donoghue, & Offiah they have to see a route to the first team or they will leave.
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We don't need a big signing to replace JdP, Richards is more than ready to step up.
We could probably afford to lose one of Stuart/TdT/Griffin. (I suspect Griffin in particular is desperate for more first team game time).
Across the back row, with Staddon, Cowan & Green challenging the magnificent 7, we could afford to lose one or two. No idea who though.
With long term injuries to Lawrence & Harris, there's much less slack in the backs.
To keep those next generation players like Sela, Tuipulotu, Bennett, Jeanes, Green, Hennessy, Emens, Donoghue, & Offiah they have to see a route to the first team or they will leave.
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Quote:jayeatman
To keep those next generation players like Sela, Tuipulotu, Bennett, Jeanes, Green, Hennessy, Emens, Donoghue, & Offiah they have to see a route to the first team or they will leave.
I think that there is a while before some of these guys will be insisting on first team rugby - most are 18-21 years old. The Worcester loan tie up would help with this.
Donoghue is a bit older and just signed a new long term contract, but - in any event - he is actually getting plenty of first team rugby.
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Quote:Yep, I'll definitely be following Worcester more closely next season.BathMatt53
I think that there is a while before some of these guys will be insisting on first team rugby - most are 18-21 years old. The Worcester loan tie up would help with this.
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A slightly different angle on this thread but is there any comparative info on how other clubs have strengthened their squads for next season?
Or does that require a whole new thread?
Or does that require a whole new thread?
Quote:gaz59
A slightly different angle on this thread but is there any comparative info on how other clubs have strengthened their squads for next season?
Or does that require a whole new thread?
Can't guarantee it's totally accurate, but this provides a pretty good club by club summary
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WT will have a bunker with lots of post its on the wall waiting to be turned into a spreadsheet and then shoehorned into the SportsNetwork table format.
Quote:Rawce
WT will have a bunker with lots of post its on the wall waiting to be turned into a spreadsheet and then shoehorned into the SportsNetwork table format.
Wiki is generally pretty up to date with announced transfers
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Those 'players out' columns are an awful lot longer than the 'players in' columns.
Quote:Optimist
Those 'players out' columns are an awful lot longer than the 'players in' columns.
On that evidence of players out v players in there's just one team in the frame for bottom place unless the Red Bull money comes in very quick
I’ve always found the comments about Salary Cap funny. No one in their right mind can actually think a club would even try go a pound over with what’s happened to Sarries.
The Carreras signing is in light of losing a fair bit of depth there.
In 2 years we will have lost in the back three:
- GHW
- Goss
- Gallagher
- Owen
- Mcconochie
- Grace
Replacing them with
- Arundell
- Carreras
Hookers the same have been thinned down
Leaving
- Doughty
- Faiva
- Annett
With only Frost Joining
Lots expecting that some big names will leave. Namely Cokansiga, but that won’t be happening.
What I believe the leavers list will be
- Stewart
- Annett
- Faiva
-Schreuder
- M Graham
- L Graham
- I Davies
Can’t see too much movement anywhere else. Maybe lose one of Cordwell or Verden but seems silly to when they have had such success in prem cup and coming into the prop prime. Cordwell especially at Looshead.
The Carreras signing is in light of losing a fair bit of depth there.
In 2 years we will have lost in the back three:
- GHW
- Goss
- Gallagher
- Owen
- Mcconochie
- Grace
Replacing them with
- Arundell
- Carreras
Hookers the same have been thinned down
Leaving
- Doughty
- Faiva
- Annett
With only Frost Joining
Lots expecting that some big names will leave. Namely Cokansiga, but that won’t be happening.
What I believe the leavers list will be
- Stewart
- Annett
- Faiva
-Schreuder
- M Graham
- L Graham
- I Davies
Can’t see too much movement anywhere else. Maybe lose one of Cordwell or Verden but seems silly to when they have had such success in prem cup and coming into the prop prime. Cordwell especially at Looshead.
Quote:HK890
In 2 years we will have lost in the back three:
- GHW (acad?)
- Goss (acad, (did he even play?)
- Gallagher
- Owen (did he even play?)
- Mcconochie
- Grace (did he even play?)
Replacing them with
- Arundell
- Carreras
Hookers the same have been thinned down
Leaving
- Doughty (left in 22/23 season)
- Faiva (think he replaced Doughty?)
- Annett
With only Frost Joining (and Kepu Tuipulotu)
Lots expecting that some big names will leave. Namely Cokansiga, but that won’t be happening.
What I believe the leavers list will be
- Stewart
- Annett
- Faiva
-Schreuder
- M Graham
- L Graham
- I Davies
Can’t see too much movement anywhere else. Maybe lose one of Cordwell or Verden but seems silly to when they have had such success in prem cup and coming into the prop prime. Cordwell especially at Looshead.
There will be more than that, for sure - some have already gone but not announced yet, assume last home game. Verden is a tighhead and with Sela coming through I wouldn't have thought he would play.
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Stewart resigned a year ago....didn't he?
For one year I believe so back off contract this summer
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Stewart resigned a year ago....didn't he?
"resigned" or "re-signed" ?
The squad list above says that John Stewart “ext March 24 to end of 2025 season”
Bath Rugby can confirm that Ruaridh McConnochie and Louis Schreuder will be bringing their playing careers at the club to a close at the end of the season.
Thanks to both for their efforts in the BB&W
Thanks to both for their efforts in the BB&W
Cheers DB So both retiring then?
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From HK890's post I remembered that Ieuan Davies received a new contract as part of 15 renewals in the spring [www.bathrugby.com]
Quote:HK890
I’ve always found the comments about Salary Cap funny. No one in their right mind can actually think a club would even try go a pound over with what’s happened to Sarries.
The Carreras signing is in light of losing a fair bit of depth there.
In 2 years we will have lost in the back three:
- GHW
- Goss
- Gallagher
- Owen
- Mcconochie
- Grace
Replacing them with
- Arundell
- Carreras
Hookers the same have been thinned down
Leaving
- Doughty
- Faiva
- Annett
With only Frost Joining
Lots expecting that some big names will leave. Namely Cokansiga, but that won’t be happening.
What I believe the leavers list will be
- Stewart
- Annett
- Faiva
-Schreuder
- M Graham
- L Graham
- I Davies
Can’t see too much movement anywhere else. Maybe lose one of Cordwell or Verden but seems silly to when they have had such success in prem cup and coming into the prop prime. Cordwell especially at Looshead.
Quote:shipwrecked
Cheers DB So both retiring then?
McConnochie retiring.
Schreuder just leaving, but wouldn’t be surprised if South Africa is the destination!
In
Arundell
Carreras
Frost
Out
McConnochie
Schreuder
Mackenzie
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Quote:tigersimonQuote:shipwrecked
Cheers DB So both retiring then?
McConnochie retiring.
Schreuder just leaving, but wouldn’t be surprised if South Africa is the destination!
In
Arundell
Carreras
Frost
Out
McConnochie
Schreuder
Mackenzie
Bernard van de Linde also joining next season.
Quote:FTFYtigersimon
In
Arundell
Carreras
Frost
Van Der Linde
Out
McConnochie
Schreuder
Mackenzie
Grace
Du Plessis
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I thought Eddie Erskine started the season with us but left, may be wrong- don't remember anything being announced.
Think dingley said he was retiring on his socials but don't remember seeing anything on the offy- again may be wrong.
Huge pleasure to watch rmc play for us- seriously good player!
Think dingley said he was retiring on his socials but don't remember seeing anything on the offy- again may be wrong.
Huge pleasure to watch rmc play for us- seriously good player!
Actually it’s not really properly fixed actually don’t have a player called Mackenzie but we do have Mackenzie Graham!
A very good 22 year old who will undoubtably will do well at Worcester?
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A very good 22 year old who will undoubtably will do well at Worcester?
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Abdul-Khalik Akenzua Al-Kareem, Rory Crum, Josh Dingley, Luke Graham, Mackenzie Graham, Will Parry, James Short, Archie Stanley and Raff Weston will be leaving Bath Rugby following the end of this current 2024/25 season.
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Abdul-Khalik Akenzua Al-Kareem, Rory Crum, Josh Dingley, Luke Graham, Mackenzie Graham, Will Parry, James Short, Archie Stanley and Raff Weston will be leaving Bath Rugby following the end of this current 2024/25 season.
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With this tie up with Worcester I wonder if some of those will join their squad. Bath being the feeder club for Warriors!
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Quote:shipwrecked
With this tie up with Worcester I wonder if some of those will join their squad. Bath being the feeder club for Warriors!
Hopefully, but they are free agents now. They can join who they like. The tie up means we're more likely to see the one's Bath has retained turn out for Worcester on loan.
Can you live on what a Championship side pays? Except for a few players I doubt it.
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Actually it’s not really properly fixed actually don’t have a player called Mackenzie but we do have Mackenzie Graham!
A very good 22 year old who will undoubtably will do well at Worcester?
I don't think he will - may do well for Coventry though!!
[coventryobserver.co.uk]
Interesting that Sam Maunder also confirmed from Exeter - they have a good team (despite Matt Kvesic and James Tyas joining Worcs).
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Quote:BathMatt53Quote:shipwrecked
Actually it’s not really properly fixed actually don’t have a player called Mackenzie but we do have Mackenzie Graham!
A very good 22 year old who will undoubtably will do well at Worcester?
I don't think he will - may do well for Coventry though!!
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Interesting that Sam Maunder also confirmed from Exeter - they have a good team (despite Matt Kvesic and James Tyas joining Worcs).
Got confused, I knew he had a club but couldn't find it, thanks.
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Be interesting to see if we just get one or two further announcements today and that's it all tied up before the play offs.
Imagine annett/ faiva/ stewart may move on.
Can't think of any other obvious leavers now (not sure about terms of verden's contract, hope we keep cordwell)
Imagine annett/ faiva/ stewart may move on.
Can't think of any other obvious leavers now (not sure about terms of verden's contract, hope we keep cordwell)
Quote:Charlieboa
Imagine annett/ faiva/ stewart may move on.
I think that Annett is going back to Ulster in some sort of Player / Coach role?
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Is this correct then?
2024/25 Hookers: Dunn, Annett, Faiva, Stewart, Tuipulotu, Spandler, Pearce
2025/26 Hookers: Dunn, Frost, Tuipulotu, Spandler, Pearce
Designed in Scotland | Made in the West Country
2024/25 Hookers: Dunn, Annett, Faiva, Stewart, Tuipulotu, Spandler, Pearce
2025/26 Hookers: Dunn, Frost, Tuipulotu, Spandler, Pearce
Designed in Scotland | Made in the West Country
Quote:Rampant
Is this correct then?
2024/25 Hookers: Dunn, Annett, Faiva, Stewart, Tuipulotu, Spandler, Pearce
2025/26 Hookers: Dunn, Frost, Tuipulotu, Spandler, Pearce
Yes, so with Faiva and Stewart not really playing this season and Frost swapping in there should be no material change in resources (which have been fine).
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Yes, an endorsement for Jasper Spandler 22 deserved I feel. Also Max Pearce a year younger. Had a good year scoring tries for the Uni when Kepu wasn’t playing.
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Quote:Rampant
Is this correct then?
2024/25 Hookers: Dunn, Annett, Faiva, Stewart, Tuipulotu, Spandler, Pearce
2025/26 Hookers: Dunn, Frost, Tuipulotu, Spandler, Pearce
Yep, feels like we're one short.
2025/6 THP Stuart, Griffin, Sela
2025/6 L/THP du Toit, Summerfield
2025/6 LHP Obano, van Wyk, Emmanuel, Kirk?
Also feels a bit light.
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It's all happening today.
When I saw he was a free agent, I did wonder about Chris Harris as cover for OL.
Very happy, particularly if it upsets The Shed!
Makes me worry a bit more about Butt though.
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It's all happening today.
When I saw he was a free agent, I did wonder about Chris Harris as cover for OL.
Very happy, particularly if it upsets The Shed!
Makes me worry a bit more about Butt though.
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We’ll be signing Van de Merwe next to complete the Scottish back line!
Explosions Will Partry being let go I guess
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Explosions Will Partry being let go I guess
I think this is right for now.
Unless we've got any more big surprises, then the only editting SHOULD be anyone graduating from academy to senior (I've counted Tuipolotu - but that's more because I've only got enough space for 3 players in any position in the academy). Or highlighting new caps (eg Ojomoh in Argentina, or Linegar for Eng U20)
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Unless we've got any more big surprises, then the only editting SHOULD be anyone graduating from academy to senior (I've counted Tuipolotu - but that's more because I've only got enough space for 3 players in any position in the academy). Or highlighting new caps (eg Ojomoh in Argentina, or Linegar for Eng U20)
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As we near the end of 24/25 we can pretty much be certain of our 23 for the Bristol game compared to the squad who lost at home earlier in the season.
Out: Underhill, Coetzee, Schreuder, Lawrence, Mc Connachie, Harris, Redpath (?)
In: Bayliss, Barbeary, Carr-Smith, Ojomoh, Cokanasiga, Muir, Donoghue
Don't know the situation regarding Redpath, if not fit, Butt will keep place I think.
Despite the obvious losses I feel we are in a good place with the changes and good enough to beat Bristol.
Out: Underhill, Coetzee, Schreuder, Lawrence, Mc Connachie, Harris, Redpath (?)
In: Bayliss, Barbeary, Carr-Smith, Ojomoh, Cokanasiga, Muir, Donoghue
Don't know the situation regarding Redpath, if not fit, Butt will keep place I think.
Despite the obvious losses I feel we are in a good place with the changes and good enough to beat Bristol.
Back 3 options look stronger which is good news against a team like bris. I had forgotten that harris started at 15. Scored a nice try but was a v mixed bag on the day.
Arguably slightly in the backrow but that's debatable.
Lawrence always going to be a loss.
Arguably slightly in the backrow but that's debatable.
Lawrence always going to be a loss.
England star Ollie Lawrence 'ahead of schedule' following horror Achilles injury
Bath head of rugby Johann van Graan has revealed England star Ollie Lawrence is “ahead of schedule” on his injury return after months on the sidelines.
The powerhouse centre suffered a horrific Achilles injury on Test duty during the Six Nations and was set to be out until December, but this admission could give both Bath and England fans hope of a quicker return to the field.
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Bath head of rugby Johann van Graan has revealed England star Ollie Lawrence is “ahead of schedule” on his injury return after months on the sidelines.
The powerhouse centre suffered a horrific Achilles injury on Test duty during the Six Nations and was set to be out until December, but this admission could give both Bath and England fans hope of a quicker return to the field.
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Trust that he's not rushed back, if our centre strength boistered by the inspired signing of Chris Harris keeps fit, stick with them. Olly could be a timely addition as we head towards another semi final.
Quote:. Multiple semi finals surely? :-)Francis Allen
Trust that he's not rushed back, if our centre strength boistered by the inspired signing of Chris Harris keeps fit, stick with them. Olly could be a timely addition as we head towards another semi final.
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
Can I make a request for an addition?
Any chance of getting Lee Dickson as a skills coach from Falcons?
I understand that Karl recuses himself from their matches
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Any chance of getting Lee Dickson as a skills coach from Falcons?
I understand that Karl recuses himself from their matches
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Khalik has been confirmed as signing for worcester btw.
Best of luck to him and hope he gets an injury free run to show what he can do.
Best of luck to him and hope he gets an injury free run to show what he can do.
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