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5 into 4 : Sale v Bath Match Preview


Hotter than a Curry?

By Mr Frivolous
September 10 2020

Nobody can say this season hasn’t been different and if you are Blue, Black and White fan you have will have realised that’s its pretty good to be supporting Bath right now with five wins from six since restart and an emerging style that’s brought a smile. 

Sitting fifth in the table with sixth now a distant thirteen points behind, three matches to go and only four points separating second from fifth perhaps a real chance of getting into the top four and qualifying for the semi-finals? It’s a fair few years ago we could say that, even the most hard-bitten pundits have started to notice. 

Just the small matter of winning the last three matches then, starting with a trip to Sale on Sunday. If the last three results with our friends from the north are anything to go by it will be close. With a win a piece and a draw, all settled by three points or less in what can only be described as a hard-fought tussle or one for the purists. 

Not surprising they have been close, with both teams fielding physical front fives, poaching back rows and very capable at the set piece. With what’s at stake expect both teams to field their strongest teams with high quality match ups across the park, expect the battles between the England flankers Curry & Underhill and scrum halves De Klerk & Spencer to be key. Bath will need to be wary of Sale’s bulldozing centres and expect Sale to try to negate Bath’s edge in kicking for territory. All in all, if both teams live up to their potential it will be close 

Just for once this game appears to be being played in the decent weather rather than the depths of winter so let’s keep our fingers crossed that the backs will get the ball in hand rather than over their heads and if the game is close, it’s high scoring as quite frankly this fixture owes the fans some tries. 

A tough ask for Bath to win as Sale must be the favourites but what is important to remember a losing bonus point could make all the difference if Bristol can help us out and beat our nearest rivals in the table Wasps. 

One question for the Blue, Black and White supporters, are you buying into the Hoops era yet?

 

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opti
Optimist
10/09/2020 11:30
Matavesi at 12 will be helpful in combating Tuilagi et al. I loved the way Josh relished the responsibility of fronting the Saints winger, so he'll be well up for that.

Awp24975
Awp24975
10/09/2020 11:57
ď One question for the Blue, Black and White supporters, are you buying into the Hoops era yet?Ē

Was happy with the appointment as I know the type of person he is. Itís still early days and there isnít a quick fix, but we are going in the right direction. Itís nice that there is a clear plan and happy with the recruitment and retention so far.
I hope Hoops and all continue to prove the doubters wrong.
Iíd love four points from this game, but is not the end of the world if it goes the wrong way. Sale are a serious team, and if ( going with the heart ) we donít win it overall then I really hope they do.



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dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
10/09/2020 12:34
So given that the guys are all saying that reaching the playoffs is the aim (and why shouldn't they be Ė they are professional rugby players, after all) I see this match as a sort of cup final. Win and we're right in the mix for 4th, if not 2nd and 3rd. Lost and we'll be lucky to finish 4th.

I expect us to go there 'fully loaded'. I'd expect Sale to be pretty much full strength, too.

Someting like:
Obano, Dunn, Stuart, McNally, Ewels (c), Bayliss, Underhill, Faletau
Spencer, Priestland, McCon, Redpath, JJ, Roko, Watson
Walker, Boyce, Judge, Stooke, Reid, Chudley, Matevasi, TdG.

opti
Optimist
10/09/2020 12:44
I think McNally put in a shift on Wednesday so assuming Spencer? I'm going for Matavesi at 12. And just wondering whether big Joe might make a comeback on the wing?

charlieboa
charlieboa
10/09/2020 14:12
I expect us to go there 'fully loaded'. I'd expect Sale to be pretty much full strength, too.

Someting like:
Obano, Dunn, Stuart, McNally, Ewels (c), Bayliss, Underhill, Faletau
Spencer, Priestland, McCon, Redpath, JJ, Roko, Watson
Walker, Boyce, Judge, Stooke, Reid, Chudley, Matevasi, TdG.[/quote]

This is the squad i would go for as well.

Do you try and counter their physical midfield or do you just pick based on your own strengths. I would do the latter and play redpath/jj, you aren't going to win a physical battle whatever if they go jvr/manu.

Ali1969
Ali1969
10/09/2020 16:09
I think Redpath may be rested/protected - Diamond made it clear he was very unhappy with him leaving and that won't be lost on the players - agree that McNally did put a shift in yesterday so I think it makes sense starting with Spencer although Stooke is on fire and has been for the past couple of seasons - for me I would have him in my first XV.

Backrow is going to be an issue combating the Curry twins - I think Miles Reid or Bayliss are the best bet but would not be surprised to see Mike Williams in the back row for his combativeness he is handful in the tight and defence.

Roko has also played a lot of minutes since restart so may be rested.

My XV would be along the lines of:

Obano, Dunn, Stuart, Ewels, Spencer, Underhill, TF, Williams, Spencer, Priestland, RM, Matevasi, JJ, Harmer-Webb, Watson.

Schuman, Batty, Thomas, Stooke, Bayliss, Chudley, Tom De G, Joe C(If fit) or Max C

charlieboa
charlieboa
10/09/2020 16:57
On the flipside i imagine redpath would be desperate to play and prove a point. Matavesi is a good option as well of course

opti
Optimist
10/09/2020 17:38
We could really do with a couple more options in the backs: Atkins, Wright, Joe C

TdG and Redpath are racking up quite a few minutes for young players.

dcsh
dcsh
10/09/2020 18:55
While Matavesi didnít come on against Quins, he was on the bench, by my reckoning he has been involved in 6 out of 6 match days 23s, so might have to sit this one out as 6 out of 7 is the agreed limit.

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hasta
10/09/2020 20:15
I thought it was 7 from 8?

dcsh
dcsh
10/09/2020 20:24
ď For the 2019-20 season

No player will play more than 180 minutes if selected in a matchday 23 on three occasions in a week No player will start all three games in a week No player will be selected in more than six matches in the seven games staged between 14 August and 13 September A playerís training load will be managed if they are selected in three matchday squads in any given seven-day periodĒ
[www.premiershiprugby.com]

So it could be another bench spot for Bailey.



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charlieboa
charlieboa
11/09/2020 06:54
Ouch. That is a worry given they will be sending manu and/or jvr at rhys all day.

Guess we have had little option in reality so hard to criticise the planning, would have been a brave man who picked bailey to start with no cover.

Assume this impacts others? Boyce/walker/judge have been in every 23? Has chudley aswell? Tdg?

charlieboa
charlieboa
11/09/2020 06:56
Will sale have similar challenges? Diamond is always carping on about only having a small squad of less than 35 senior players so prob some that have been in every matchday 23?

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
11/09/2020 07:18
On the same basis, and assuming selected means in the 23 regardless of whether they get on the pitch or not, then Sale should be without de Klerk and Jean Luc du Preez who have been all the last 6 match XXIIIs.

Also if games 18-20 count as a week, then I don't think they can start Dan du Preez either. I would caveat that i ran through the numbers quickly but i think this is correct.

charlieboa
charlieboa
11/09/2020 08:05
Thanks NiD. Couple of big losses for them potentially.

Good we got some game time into schoeman, batty, verden , green and bailey if they will be needed sunday.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
11/09/2020 09:43
Are we seriously having to consider throwing Bailey into the fray. Are there no other viable options?

charlieboa
charlieboa
11/09/2020 09:57
Not sure if tdg has been in 23 every game? Think he prob has? So only leaves redpath as another potential option to cover rhys?

Devonport Lad
Devonport Lad
11/09/2020 11:00
John Evely is reporting that the team announcement has been put back to midday tomorrow. Steve Diamond said something about training being delayed due to ďbumps and bruisesĒ and some Covid tests. Could be a problem up at Sale.

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
11/09/2020 11:17
If it was anybody else than Diamond then I would believe it was that simple. Surely you cannot delay a team announcement because players are too bruised to train. I guess in the current environment everybody gets some leeway.

opti
Optimist
11/09/2020 11:37
If they delay their team announcement, will we delay ours? The way things currently are, you really don't want to be giving away that information - it has real potential advantages to know the other team in advance.

dcsh
dcsh
11/09/2020 11:42
What are the rules of team announcements? I thought you had to announce by 12 noon on the day before the match, but it in normal times they do it on a Friday for a Sunday match anyway.

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
11/09/2020 12:03
Yes Opti - we have delayed ours accordingly.

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
11/09/2020 12:10
De Lager Injury

Just in case you ever thought Diamond was overly worried about player welfare.

opti
Optimist
11/09/2020 12:47
...and also: 'the specialists will have the final say'

Ali1969
Ali1969
11/09/2020 13:17
Would not be surprised given the mention of Covid Testing at Sale if there is a scare or someone within the playing or coaching team (or extended family) may be suspected of being positive - I cannot believe Premiership rugby would leave themselves open to allegations by allowing Sale preferential treatment they are in the same boat as every other club - they all played midweek - either the player or players are fit or not simple as - if you are not sure you name your side and withdraw the player or players if they fail fitness tests.

Very strange - hence why I personally believe it may be more to do with Covid and you could only imagine the rage of Diamond given the penalty for not fulfilling a fixture....

seb
seb
11/09/2020 13:25
What is the penalty for not fulfilling a fixture?

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CoochieCoo
11/09/2020 13:45
Quote:
seb
What is the penalty for not fulfilling a fixture?

20-0 to the non offending team!

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seb
seb
11/09/2020 14:03
Well that would be a result!

bardofavon
bardofavon
11/09/2020 14:25
what kind of 20-0? bonus point try kind of 20-0?

P G Tips
P G Tips
11/09/2020 15:04
Thanks Mr Friv for the preview- good stuff!
Like the freudian slip in your post NiD - would that be Castle Lager or Lion?

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shipwrecked
11/09/2020 15:17
Quote:
bardofavon
what kind of 20-0? bonus point try kind of 20-0?

Not clear, asked about that before but seems highly unlikely there would be a bonus point.

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opti
Optimist
11/09/2020 15:18
Weird how this weekend is basically the play-off play-offs:

Sale vs Bath and Wasps vs Bris - the shootout for a/ top 4 and b/ the right to not finish 4th (ie play Exeter > lose)
Sarries vs Exeter - the 2020 GP final that never was
Quins vs Glos - mano a mano for mid-table mediocrity
Tigers vs Saints - freefalling Saints vs the true relegation candidates
Wuss vs LI - meh vs meh

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hasta
11/09/2020 15:26
Two mehs enter, one meh leaves...

JFPC
JFPC
11/09/2020 15:27
From memory, the 20-0 is counted as 4 unconverted tries.

Adopted player 2019/20 Will Chudley. Weird split household co-parented
player 2020 Josh Matavesi

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
11/09/2020 15:44
Quote:
P G Tips
Thanks Mr Friv for the preview- good stuff!
Like the freudian slip in your post NiD - would that be Castle Lager or Lion?

Good spot .... if it comes down to that choice then meh.

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
11/09/2020 15:45
Quote:
JFPC
From memory, the 20-0 is counted as 4 unconverted tries.

Do we have to nominate someone to miss the kicks for the player stats?

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shipwrecked
11/09/2020 17:24
Quote:
Never In Doubt
Quote:
JFPC
From memory, the 20-0 is counted as 4 unconverted tries.

Do we have to nominate someone to miss the kicks for the player stats?

I think it should be a penalty try, its penalty for not being able to put a team out. Takes the load of the stats for NID as well.

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john fox
johnnyf
11/09/2020 19:16
Interesting observation regarding the Saracens Exeter game and team selection.

It appears on paper that both sides have chosen very much understrength teams.

Is that coincidence, spying on each other or perhaps some exchange of information between coaches? Or just pragmatic selection regarding each other's position in the table?

dcsh
dcsh
11/09/2020 19:26
Quote:
johnnyf
Interesting observation regarding the Saracens Exeter game and team selection.
It appears on paper that both sides have chosen very much understrength teams.

Is that coincidence, spying on each other or perhaps some exchange of information between coaches? Or just pragmatic selection regarding each other's position in the table?
Probably current table positions combined with massive European matches next weekend.

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hasta
11/09/2020 20:13
Neither team needs to win.

Banachek
Banachek
12/09/2020 11:03
I'd go with Spencer 9, Rhys at 10 and Matavesi at 12 , McC at 13, .. game time permitting. Think we are going to need the big boys all over the park for this one
From the bent pins info..Diamond must be really gagging for Load of Lager to play, not surprising as he is brilliant in the line out for them.
For me If we don't make the playoff's , I'd like to see Wasps then (sorry) Brizz win it. Respect Exeter but if not us,nice to see another team win it, more democratic...

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hasta
12/09/2020 12:00
Team's Up!

15. Tom de Glanville, 14. Gabriel Hamer-Webb, 13. Jonathan Joseph, 12. Josh Matavesi, 11. Ruaridh McConnochie, 10. Rhys Priestland, 9. Ben Spencer; 1. Beno Obano, 2. Tom Dunn, 3. Will Stuart, 4. Josh McNally, 5. Charlie Ewels (C), 6. Josh Bayliss, 7. Sam Underhill, 8. Taulupe Faletau

REPLACEMENTS
16. Ross Batty, 17. Juan Schoeman, 18. Henry Thomas, 19. Will Spencer, 20. Tom Ellis, 21. Miles Reid, 22. Will Chudley, 23. Cameron Redpath

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Rawce
12/09/2020 12:05
Forwards heavy and a young Henry T to take on his old team. Looks like weíre trying to match them physically.

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CoochieCoo
12/09/2020 12:13
Referee: Matthew Carley

Assistant Referees: Luke Pearce & Tom Foley

TMO: Stuart Terheege

Citing Officer: Paul Burke

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CoochieCoo
12/09/2020 12:14
SALE SHARKS

15. Luke James, 14. Denny Solomona, 13. Manu Tuilagi, 12. Rohan Janse van Rensburg, 11. Marland Yarde, 10. AJ MacGinty, 9. Faf de Klerk; 1. Valerey Morozov, 2. Akker van der Merwe, 3. Will-Griff John, 4. Matt Postlethwaite, 5. Jean-Luc du Preez, 6. Jono Ross (capt) 7. Ben Curry, 8. Tom Curry

REPLACEMENTS:

16. Rob Webber, 17. Coenie Oosthuizen, 18. Jake Cooper-Woolley, 19. Cobus Wiese, 20. Jean Luc du Preez, 21. Will Cliff, 22. Sam James, 23. Arron Reed.

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ballsout
ballsout
12/09/2020 12:20
Could be a long afternoon given the respective teams, crazy strong from Sale

opti
Optimist
12/09/2020 12:29
Out front 5 might have an edge; our back row should go toe-to-toe, but Iím not sure I fancy our backsí chances either side of the ball. Big day for the 10 men in our 10-man game plan.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
12/09/2020 12:34
Could be a very attritional match with a preponderance of power players on both sides. Sale certainly have some top performers considering they are apparently missing a few. Presumably home advantage doesnít make much difference nowadays but we will have to be canny in all departments to come out on top.

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hasta
12/09/2020 12:36
I think Sale have looked better with Sam James in the centre. Is there also no cover for McGinty from them?

dcsh
dcsh
12/09/2020 12:47
Looks like the 6 games out of 7 agreement didnít rule out many players from either side.
Two strong teams, if we want to challenge for silverware we need to put in a decent performance against teams like this.

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
12/09/2020 12:56
Is Watson injured or just not picked?

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Chris1850
Chris1850
12/09/2020 12:59
Quote:
hasta
I think Sale have looked better with Sam James in the centre. Is there also no cover for McGinty from them?

Sam James

TG Kesmo
TG Kesmo
12/09/2020 12:59
Quote:
Bathovalballer
Is Watson injured or just not picked?

It looked like he pulled something last time out was icing his leg.

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hasta
12/09/2020 13:32
Quote:
Chris1850
Quote:
hasta
I think Sale have looked better with Sam James in the centre. Is there also no cover for McGinty from them?

Sam James

Heh, fair enough. Just wondered where du Preez was.

bath1001
bath1001
12/09/2020 15:02
Aren't Bath breaking the rules here as De Glanville has played in every game so far?

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Clarkey3k
12/09/2020 15:53
Quote:
Bath Hammer
Could be a very attritional match with a preponderance of power players on both sides. Sale certainly have some top performers considering they are apparently missing a few. Presumably home advantage doesnít make much difference nowadays but we will have to be canny in all departments to come out on top.

Bookies have the home side odds on for this one - Oddschecker Bath Rugby.

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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
12/09/2020 19:48
Not really surprised at the odds, a very strong Sale team - ď a tough day at the office ď and I doubt
any help from Messrs. Carley, Foley or Pearce. Good if we can keep within 7 points. (Sm128)

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Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
12/09/2020 21:20
So I am confused, according to Sale website Faf de Klerk has been selected in the last 6 match XXIII's but did not get onto the pitch in one game. Does that mean he was selected according to the welfare rules or not?

dannyf2
dannyf2
12/09/2020 23:32
Expect them to put bombs on TdG and GHW. This will be tough. COYB

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shipwrecked
12/09/2020 23:35
Quote:
dannyf2
Expect them to put bombs on TdG and GHW. This will be tough. COYB

True, but I think TdG can cope, actually I hope the feed Rory Mc in that way, he can certainly handle them and he has shown how well he can poach tries.

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dcsh
dcsh
13/09/2020 08:10
Quote:
Never In Doubt
So I am confused, according to Sale website Faf de Klerk has been selected in the last 6 match XXIII's but did not get onto the pitch in one game. Does that mean he was selected according to the welfare rules or not?
I think that is the same for some of our players too, Josh M for example.
The welfare word says ďselectedď for the 6 out of 7 matches point, but doesnít say ď selected in a matchday 23Ē as in the 180 minutes per week point.
Which could mean that it can be interpreted that if the player stayed on the bench they werenít ďselectedĒ, I suppose.

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
13/09/2020 08:40
You are probably right. I think these 'rules' were designed to be fudged.

opti
Optimist
13/09/2020 09:31
Quote:
Never In Doubt
You are probably right. I think these 'rules' were designed to be fudged.

Yes - I think they were. But, it would also be absolute nonsense to have to exclude a player on the basis of sitting in the bench for the full 80.

bardofavon
bardofavon
13/09/2020 09:47
if you have aspirations to make the final, which hooper says he and the players do, then sooner or later you have to be able to go to places like Sandy Park, Allianz Park or the JJ Bell and win. we have a good enough side to do the job as long as our heads are in the right place.

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
13/09/2020 10:17
Quote:
Optimist
Quote:
Never In Doubt
You are probably right. I think these 'rules' were designed to be fudged.

Yes - I think they were. But, it would also be absolute nonsense to have to exclude a player on the basis of sitting in the bench for the full 80.

Agreed Opti. Just wonder if we were asking too much for the rules to have been well defined!

Banachek
Banachek
13/09/2020 10:53
Our pack will be a handful and now a good time Faletau to have a blinder.
A very physical game coming, but think we have enough to win this.
Bath by 10 thumbs down

BBandW
BBandW
13/09/2020 12:54
Quote:
Never In Doubt
You are probably right. I think these 'rules' were designed to be fudged.

Was this meant to be posted on the Brexit thread ?

dcsh
dcsh
13/09/2020 14:26
Wasp and Bris not doing us any favours as the both have try bonus points... in a match with 94 total points scored!



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ballsout
ballsout
13/09/2020 15:05
Oh good back to the 1 pass, lose the ball instantly, concede a try days

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 15:05
5 mins one way traffic 7-0 (Sm136)

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BerkeleyWood
The Bear
13/09/2020 15:08
Hard to see us making 80yards, yet we completely playing the field position game into Sale's hands

ballsout
ballsout
13/09/2020 15:08
10 mins in, weíve had one real carry. Where we lost the ball.

ballsout
ballsout
13/09/2020 15:13
13 minutes in. Our second carry. Penalty to Sale in our 22.

BerkeleyWood
The Bear
13/09/2020 15:14
Not sure he released in the tackle there...

Hope Bayliss ok, actually shown some energy in these early phases.

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hasta
13/09/2020 15:16
What's that? Is it the faint whispers of Storm Crow on the wind?

dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
13/09/2020 15:20
The number of individual errors is pretty staggering at the moment. Cut them out or itíll be a very long and depressing afternoon.

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 15:20
Turned over again ! We just canít hold onto the ball and I donít think we have got out of our own half yet.
Do we have a plan B ? (Sm128)

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ballsout
ballsout
13/09/2020 15:21
Ooooh two carries before being turned over this time. Progress

Get the ball back. Pass directly into touch.

Then concede another penalty.

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 15:23
Great try from Mc !!!!!!!!!!

7-7

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CoochieCoo
13/09/2020 15:23
....and?

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hasta
13/09/2020 15:24
Great continuity, great try Ruraidh!

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liquidmonkey
13/09/2020 15:24
More atmosphere than usual at the AJ Bell Stadium

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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 15:29
Yellow card for Jonno Ross who canít stop shaking his head, not sure what for,
7-10

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hasta
13/09/2020 15:30
Tripping

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 15:39
Spencer try !!!!!!!!

7 - 17

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hasta
13/09/2020 15:39
Great Try Spencer!

BerkeleyWood
The Bear
13/09/2020 15:41
Some nice decision making by Joseph - kick the right choice this time.

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hasta
13/09/2020 15:41
Cracking conversion by Rhys.

JJ playing well.

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CoochieCoo
13/09/2020 15:41
A try for the opportunist par excellence!

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CoochieCoo
13/09/2020 15:42
Have to give a mention to Rhysí break!

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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 15:43
Big SA 12 ran into a Bath brick wall !

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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 15:45
Bath seem to have found plan B !

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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 15:48
Great Try saving tackle from Mc .

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9215
9215
13/09/2020 15:49
A 7 point tackle there

dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
13/09/2020 15:55
Half of two quarters! Excellent second 20. Ferocious in defence and starting to tick in attach. Underhill and Spencer world class.

gaz59
gaz59
13/09/2020 15:58
Quote:
CoochieCoo
Have to give a mention to Rhysí break!

I could be harsh and say that it clearly took the rest of the Bath team by complete surprise, hence no one up in support

Rhys has done ok though some of his passes are back to being slow and yards behind the gain line. Just an observation but both of our tries came with Rhys not involved

Young B
Young B
13/09/2020 15:58
Once again BO is very active whilst things arenít going exactly right then is all quiet once it clicks. Strange that. Itís almost like he only posts when he can be negative about the team he apparently supports.

RMc try saving tackle was exceptional, nice little break from RP and TDG and GHW look lively. Just need to keep it up now.

gaz59
gaz59
13/09/2020 16:02
However, could have been a very different score line had Solomono' s intercept stuck. If we are going to have a 7 as first receiver please tell him not to shuffle it out wide

Long Term
Long Term
13/09/2020 16:03
Quote:
ballsout
Oh good back to the 1 pass, lose the ball instantly, concede a try days

Please give it a rest it's becoming rather sad now!

ken_jnr
ken_jnr
13/09/2020 16:06
Hell of a first half from Bath. Clung on in there as Sale came out flying. Didnít panic, scrambled well and eased back into it. Two very good tries for different reasons and held Sale out against the odds at the end.

Fingers crossed for the second!

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Clarkey3k
13/09/2020 16:10
A 5pt win would take us to 3rd place on wins. COYB!!

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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 16:12
Quote:
ken_jnr

Fingers crossed for the second!

And everything else !

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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 16:15
Harsh penalty on Tom Dunn

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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 16:17
Marlon Yarde try disallowed-forward pass

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ken_jnr
ken_jnr
13/09/2020 16:17
Quote:
Old Bath Tub
And everything else !

Not sure what it was you crossed, but it seems to have worked for Yardeís nearly try!

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 16:20
Scrum penalty on our 5 - great stuff !

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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 16:21
Complete new front row on for Sale

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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 16:25
Poor tackling letís in Du Preez 12 - 17

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Toast and Marmite
13/09/2020 16:28
Why are we playing concrete ball in the middle of the pitch? We need to be pinning them in their 22

"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

BerkeleyWood
The Bear
13/09/2020 16:29
We're sitting off McGinty - not sure if that's the instruction.

Also not painting a pretty picture for Carley at the moment. Fair or not, we need some discipline.

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Toast and Marmite
13/09/2020 16:30
SUPPORT. THE. BALL CARRIER!!!!!

"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 16:30
Oh dear more turnovers against , 15 - 17

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Toast and Marmite
13/09/2020 16:33
Dozy from Sale, that was slow ball for us

"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 16:34
Rhys penalty 15 - 20. Great kick !

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Toast and Marmite
13/09/2020 16:38
*NOTICE - the book is now closed in Ďeasiest yellow card decision of the season.í

"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 16:38
Great take in the line out from big Spencer , Rhys penalty , yellow card for Rob Webber. 15- 23

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liquidmonkey
13/09/2020 16:38
Ha ha Webber still a penalty magnet

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2017-18 Freddie Burns
2016-17 Nick Auterac
2015-16 Guy Mercer
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Toast and Marmite
13/09/2020 16:45
Ok I am just going to come out right now and admit I am deeply in love with Ben Spencer

"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 16:46
Jonno Ross now playing hooker, frantic stuff ! Rollicking for Solomona !! Batty on

Ben Spencer intercept !! 15 - 30. Can we hang on ?

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Rawce
13/09/2020 16:46
Yessssss Spencer! Takes advantage of Sale scrambling. Very well defended and excellently chased Bath. Hopefully a ballsache free zone for a week as a result.

9215
9215
13/09/2020 16:48
That should be the game sewn up and time to go for the bonus point

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Rawce
13/09/2020 16:50
Will Spencerís face mask not very Covid proof.

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 16:50
New type of mask for big Will took big hit in the face , can we hold out with 9 mins to go ?

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Toast and Marmite
13/09/2020 16:53
Donít understand why Stuart hasnít been subbed, heís on the wrong side of the ref today for some reason

"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 16:53
Oh dear Du Preez try 22 - 30

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Clarkey3k
13/09/2020 16:53
One more try!! COYB...

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Toast and Marmite
13/09/2020 16:55
Never went forward as the bell bounces 5 metres upfield

"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 16:57
Great turnover from young Redpath !

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John Tee
John Tee
13/09/2020 16:59
Didnt know the game was on the red butyon so missed most of it....but JJ looks like he treads water when running...has he lost pace?

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hasta
13/09/2020 17:02
Oh you beauty!

9215
9215
13/09/2020 17:03
JJ bonus point!

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 17:03
Joseph Score !!!!!!!!!! BONUS

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ken_jnr
ken_jnr
13/09/2020 17:03
GET IN!!!!!

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hasta
13/09/2020 17:03
What a performance, what a result!

P G Tips
P G Tips
13/09/2020 17:04
All the way from Burgos: yes, yes, yesss!!!!!

P G Tips


Josh Bayliss: my adopted Player, 2019-20.

BerkeleyWood
The Bear
13/09/2020 17:04
Some impressive counterattacking in this game. Rolled with the punches and a BP - awesome!

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Rawce
13/09/2020 17:04
Great thinking from Spencer and JJ (injured) pounces on the lucky bounce.

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liquidmonkey
13/09/2020 17:05
Woohoo! Brilliant. That makes me extremely happy.

Desperate affairs require desperate measures.
Horatio Nelson



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2018-19 Tom Homer
2017-18 Freddie Burns
2016-17 Nick Auterac
2015-16 Guy Mercer
2014-15 Juan Pablo Orlandi

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 17:05
Brilliant result !

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Toast and Marmite
13/09/2020 17:07
Superb smash and grab from the team, excellent tactics once they switched from thundering it up in the middle of the park and started pinning them back.

Take a bow lads, not many win at Sale let alone get a BP!

"No sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you."

ken_jnr
ken_jnr
13/09/2020 17:07
I have been openly critical when I have felt they deserved it but that was an incredible performance and result by Bath. It feels like we are building in a way I havenít felt since 2015. Whatever happens next this season, we have come out of lockdown a new team and the boys should all be proud.

A week off now then back to it!

jameswood14
Woodpecker
13/09/2020 17:08
Itís fun being a Bath fan again!!!

Baffy Buck at Home
Mr Frivolous
13/09/2020 17:09
Quote:
P G Tips
All the way from Burgos: yes, yes, yesss!!!!!
All the way from Oldfield Park...yes Bath! Would love to hear the Steve Diamond post match interview. Mr Ballsout are you smiling yet?

jameswood14
Woodpecker
13/09/2020 17:10
Quote:
John Tee
Didnt know the game was on the red butyon so missed most of it....but JJ looks like he treads water when running...has he lost pace?

I donít know what the red button is (I can imagine what it looks like) channel 450 on my BT box.

dcsh
dcsh
13/09/2020 17:12
Great win, 5 point to ZERO, couldnít ask for more.

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Clarkey3k
13/09/2020 17:18
Ab Fab effort and a wonderful BP win. A few days in the spa to r&r then go again v glaws. Thrilling stuff. Who got MotM?

Adopted players: 2020/21 A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw

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9215
9215
13/09/2020 17:18
That was an excellent performance. Thereís been talk before about looking good against weak opposition, that was a bonus point win against a full strength top 4 side

dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
13/09/2020 17:19
Superb.

1-23 were all absolutely superb. The impact from the bench was immense in the last 20, W Spencer and Redpath especially. Ben Spencer, MotM yet again for me, really is a special player.

Best win in a long, long while. Well done all involved.

Victor Ludorum
Victor Ludorum
13/09/2020 17:19
Can't remember a time since the 2014-15 season that I've enjoyed watching Bath this much! Plenty of heart and spirit from a well-coached team all playing for each other. Ben Spencer is making such a difference and it would be well deserved for him to earn the England starting 9 jersey. COYB!!

9215
9215
13/09/2020 17:21
Quote:
Clarkey3k
Ab Fab effort and a wonderful BP win. A few days in the spa to r&r then go again v glaws. Thrilling stuff. Who got MotM?

I donít think there is one as it wasnít technically a broadcast match so no co-commentator to pick it, plenty of contenders though

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
13/09/2020 17:22
Really good performance from one and all.

- When scrums worked we got looked on top and earned critical penalties
- Line out was exceptional with good own ball and several Ewels steals (......if only he threw more punches!)
- Back row decent maybe the only area where Sale sneaked it
- Spencer/Priestland starting to work. Immense performance (again) from Spencer and super kicking from Rhys. We also are starting to look positive in attack.
- Centres held their own and JJ kick for the try was instinctively good.
- McC try again exceptional .... that was Tuilagi he bumped off
- GHW decent and Tom DeG looking more and more confident.

Only poorly executed, lazy and predictable performance was from Ballsout.

Yes we made mistakes and yes we invited pressure at times but damn they worked for each other, made great defensive saves and we seemed to have learnt how to score tries again.

Wooooop Wooop!

dannyf2
dannyf2
13/09/2020 17:24
Wow

Long Term
Long Term
13/09/2020 17:28
Looks to me like we are a well coached side playing for each other( with high morale) and developing a winning habit. Rhys' kicking for points and from hand vital and balancing out his weaknesses. Spencer is pure class, I hadn't fully appreciated just how good he is and I think the passing ability of the youngsters will bare fruit in the back's play in the future. Happy days!!

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Clarkey3k
13/09/2020 17:31
RP was v "accomplished" today according to my mate watching with me. Couldn't agree more...

Adopted players: 2020/21 A Watson; [20] T Faletau; [19] M V Vuuren; [18] T Faletau; [17] D Denton; [16] H. Agulla; [15] L Houston; [14] W Spencer; [13] F. Louw

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hasta
13/09/2020 17:42
Spencer MOTM

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
13/09/2020 17:44
Wahoo bl ---y Ray. Didn't see that one coming.

Fantastic win which I will take anytime, even with the odd mistake. I used to play cricket with a captain who used to say if we sneaked a win we didn't deserve , 'Look in the scorebook mate. We won , you didn't.' Not saying we didn't deserve it but we got it.
Am absolutely floating on cloud 9 , backed up by a large glass or three!
Trouble is to make top 4, we need to beat Glos with a bonus point and get a win at Sarries me thinks as Sale and Bris should win their last two games. Might come down to us wanting Exeter to beat Wasps away to let us in and keep Wasps out. That would be a fairy tale end to the season, even if we get humped at The Chiefs.

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Ali1969
Ali1969
13/09/2020 17:50
Great Win, no more needed to be said. Now back it up with 2 more. That performance reminds me of Chiefs and Sarries play like that and we have a chance.

bathwickboy
bathwickboy
13/09/2020 17:51
Still trying to believe that we actually won a game up at Sale. Fantastic result. We normally can rely on the game being played on a wet and dismal Friday night with us getting 'nul points'. Don't want to single out one player but cannot stop looking beyond Ben Spencer for the huge difference that he is making. Onwards and upwards!!

Young B
Young B
13/09/2020 18:10
Great result. Defence was really good.. Spencer is top drawer.. RMc had a great game and solid performance from the pack. Also thought TDG had a good game and looks assured..

Well played Bath.. now just need to smash Glaws!



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ChippenhamRoman
ChippenhamRoman
13/09/2020 18:12
Quote:
ken_jnr
I have been openly critical when I have felt they deserved it but that was an incredible performance and result by Bath. It feels like we are building in a way I havenít felt since 2015. Whatever happens next this season, we have come out of lockdown a new team and the boys should all be proud.
A week off now then back to it!

Amazing what having no injuries does. And Spencer.

#COYB

J

DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
13/09/2020 18:17
Great result again!

Funny how BO goes quiet once Bath get on top. He really must be gutted at the moment.

Still think top 4 will be a big ask - really need Sarries to beat Leinster don't we?

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hemington
13/09/2020 18:28
Where's Eeeyore?

MESSAGES->author
Clarkey3k
13/09/2020 18:31
Quote:
bathwickboy
Still trying to believe that we actually won a game up at Sale. Fantastic result. We normally can rely on the game being played on a wet and dismal Friday night with us getting 'nul points'. Don't want to single out one player but cannot stop looking beyond Ben Spencer for the huge difference that he is making. Onwards and upwards!!

I have been going on/off for c35yr and can't recall seeing a win at Heywood Rd, Stockport County or the AJ. Would have been there this year but for Covid. Still, every cloud etc...smileys with beer

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Griff
13/09/2020 18:59
What a fantastic result, didnít see that coming but very happy. Canít think of the last time we had. BP win against Sale away!

Question for the mods. Is there an issue with the site, it seems some posters canít post when Bath play well and win 😀

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Danchinho
Danchinho
13/09/2020 19:13
Everyone played well for Bath.
Special mention to the front 5 and Underhill, Bayliss and Ellis. Very dominant in contact I thought, both as tacklers and carriers. For all the noise about their pack, ours was better.
B. Spencer. What a difference when your 9 can be a play maker like Aaron Smith. Seeing the opportunity and wizzing a pass for 15 yards that sets up a try.
Iíll say it again TdG always looks like the game slows down for him just a fraction. Thatís an awesome ability. Very composed. Good skill set too.

We have got a recent habit of being a bit sleepy for the 1st 15 minutes of a game. Weíre recovering well which is brilliant. Iím sure SH would like us firing from the off though.

I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

P G Tips
P G Tips
13/09/2020 19:20
Dan
I rather think you do!

dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
13/09/2020 19:24
When the game was tight between 60-70 minutes, Spencer mustíve kicked 2 or 3 box kicks up the left touch line from on our line to half way. Relentless skill under pressure that relieved all of the pressure. One hell of a player.

Anyone know what happened at the final whistle with the pushing and shoving? My guess (with little evidence) was that one of their lads (Ross?) said something to Redpath, Iíd imagine about leaving Sale to chase the cash, or somesuch. Nice to see Dunn pile in with Redpath! Might be completely wrong on all of that but Redpath did his talking on the pitch. He was immense for 20 minutes, with some big hits, a couple of turnovers and a monster kick or two.

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Clarkey3k
13/09/2020 19:31
Quote:
dr.bath1865
Anyone know what happened at the final whistle with the pushing and shoving? My guess (with little evidence) was that one of their lads (Ross?) said something to Redpath, Iíd imagine about leaving Sale to chase the cash, or somesuch. Nice to see Dunn pile in with Redpath! Might be completely wrong on all of that but Redpath did his talking on the pitch. He was immense for 20 minutes, with some big hits, a couple of turnovers and a monster kick or two.

I was wondering about that little fracas, thought Dunn may have said something to Jono Ross to excite him. I can see why Ross may have been a bit peeved having spent 10 first half mins in the bin quickly followed by one of his mates. Dunny deserves a places in the EPS this autumn but EJ won't pick him. Sad news for him, great news for the BB&W...

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hasta
13/09/2020 19:33
Hadn't Dunn been subbed at the point?

TG Kesmo
TG Kesmo
13/09/2020 19:41
Quote:
hasta
Hadn't Dunn been subbed at the point?

Yes he had, came on after the whistle and went to congratulate the rest of the team but piled in in support of Redpath

Young B
Young B
13/09/2020 19:42
Quote:
Danchinho
We have got a recent habit of being a bit sleepy for the 1st 15 minutes of a game. Weíre recovering well which is brilliant. Iím sure SH would like us firing from the off though.

I think we do it on purpose so BO can have his negative little rants but then turn it around so he runs off silently... still hasnít popped back up yet - great to see.

MESSAGES->author
shipwrecked
13/09/2020 19:43
Quote:
ballsout
Oh good back to the 1 pass, lose the ball instantly, concede a try days

Quote:
ballsout
10 mins in, weíve had one real carry. Where we lost the ball.

Quote:
ballsout
13 minutes in. Our second carry. Penalty to Sale in our 22.

Quote:
ballsout
Ooooh two carries before being turned over this time. Progress
Get the ball back. Pass directly into touch.

Then concede another penalty.

Final score Sale 22 - Bath 37 Isn't that proof that continuous possession is not a prerequisite to victory? Brilliant result Ben Spencer is running the game from 9, RP kicks the penalties and Rory looks as good as Watson.

https://i.ibb.co/pZ68Lvp/Ollie-Fox.jpg

Ollie Fox - England U20 international scrum half, youngest of our four 9's. If you are good enough, you're old enough!

gaz59
gaz59
13/09/2020 20:05
The big match moment for me came around 76 minutes. I was having the typical Bath wobble and fearing another close defeat at the death and then Redpath makes a brilliant turnover to secure penalty. The rest is history

That, along with RMc's 7 point tackle and Spencer's kick for JJ's try sums up everything that is different about our team now

MESSAGES->author
Clarkey3k
13/09/2020 20:14
Quote:
TG Kesmo
Quote:
hasta
Hadn't Dunn been subbed at the point?

Yes he had, came on after the whistle and went to congratulate the rest of the team but piled in in support of Redpath

Outstanding attitude. Well done Dunny...

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BathHalfFull
BathHalfFull
13/09/2020 20:19
Absolutely loved that. Loved that they started much stronger and we didn't panic and found ways to swing some dominant in our favour and take our chances. yes we make some mistakes still but there was a growing maturity about the way we deal with these tough games. To get a BP win away at a pretty much full strength and on form Sale was fantastic. Let's hope we can beat Glos and take it to the last weekend. Even if we don't make it I have seen enough the last few weeks so leave me not just confident we are making strides but excited too.

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 20:21
Anybody know what Mrs Diamond had to say post match?
OOPS ! That was supposed to be Mr S Diamond (Sm100)

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DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
13/09/2020 20:24
Quote:
Old Bath Tub
Anybody know what Mrs Diamond had to say post match?
OOPS ! That was supposed to be Mr S Diamond (Sm100)

He's not thrown his toys out of the pram:

Sale boss Steve Diamond:

"We didn't play well and they played pretty well. They stuck to their guns and sorted us out in the lineout. We had no answer to that.

"If you can't get any set-piece ball and you get two yellow cards, and you give double figure penalties away, maybe we've reached our level. Maybe we're not good enough to be in the top four and that's what I said to the lads.

"Take nothing away from Bath, they were good, very good, but equally we created a lot of chances. It wasn't as though there was no invention but, if you give two yellow cards away and you can't win a lineout, we're doing well to score 22 points."

From the BBC report

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Clarkey3k
13/09/2020 20:37
Fair play to Diamond, will need to see what Hoops has to say. I hope it's along the lines of good performance but we have won nothing yet. Rest & recover for Glaws in 8 days etc...

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Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
13/09/2020 20:40
Seems to have mellowed a bit - maybe !

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Adopted Player 2019/20 Jack Davies
Adopted Player 2020/21 Cam Redpath

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B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
13/09/2020 20:56
I didn't see the game, but seeing as we started slowly I would have loved to have seen the pundits on TV (like one on here) back track. Can't wait for the free web match broadcast.

Kidney Stone
Kidney Stone
13/09/2020 20:57
That was an outstanding performance in what I thought was a very close game..

The forwards, along with Ben and Rhys were super but a couple of players really stood out also.

JJ has, IMO been quiet lately but he excelled today. And big call out for Will Spencer. His muscle and effort were very telling. Best I have seen him ever in the BBW, albeit a short appearance.

One final mention. I have been one of Matt Carleyís biggest critics, I despaired when he was named for our games. But fair play to him. His decisions were explained and made clear, and most importantly he is developing a real empathy for the game. Long may it continue.

Danchinho
Danchinho
13/09/2020 21:06
Tuilagi is making a living off his reputation, not his performances on the pitch. Guess I shouldnít care as heís not a Bath player. Just an observation then!

I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

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shipwrecked
13/09/2020 21:08
Quote:
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JJ has, IMO been quiet lately but he excelled today.

Good point he has come alive in part because he sees he might get some ball, I liked the way Ben S put a kick under the posts in the first half for him to chase almost as a dress rehearsal for the same to happen in the 78th minute and for JJ to score the BP try.

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CoochieCoo
13/09/2020 21:26
Another win despite some pretty stark stats guess the two yc helped but 37% possession and wining by 15 points with a try bonus means some great defence and taking our chances!

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shipwrecked
13/09/2020 21:48
Great stats CC, highlights the point I was making to BO, wining doesn't need ball retention. Those line out stats are telling as well. 130 tackles to their 76.
My only concern is on the injury front, Will Spencer had a nasty under eye split, JJ limped of and AW wasn't available through injury. Thank goodness Ben Spencer is bulletproof!

Perhaps I'm a latent criminal but I just love the way BS and RMcC keep stealing tries from under the opposition's noses!

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Rokobilly
Rokobilly
13/09/2020 22:30
Just finished watching the recording witbout knowing the score. Think i completed my 10000 steps for the day pacing up and down. Brilliant from the boys. Sale may have had some slicker moves but tbe character, discipline and heart from Bath were exceptional - allied to a killer instinct when we got a chance to score. Credit to Hoops, Hats and all involved. Bloody delighted!

Woodster
Woodster
13/09/2020 22:46
For the first time in yonks opposition coaches will be working (worrying) out how to negate Bath's game (the pack). It is a long time since we made the opposition worry about us.

Today the pack were again awesome, you don't go to Sale and win without an outstanding pack.

My word Hatley is good, we knew it first time he was with us but he seems to have got better. Well played Hooper, you're the man at the top and credit needs to go to you.

B4thB4ck
B4thB4ck
13/09/2020 23:19
A few in our darker days linked the blame for results beyond the coaches and admin to Bruce. So, if that principle holds then senior management deserve a pat on the back too. Buck stops there, right?

Of course for those that are concerned with silverware we haven't won a trophy for a while, since when, about 1865? But it does feel good to be following Bath again.

opti
Optimist
13/09/2020 23:24
Quite a strange game that. I couldnít watch it live, heard the result, and was awash with excitement to watch the recording. Without the tension of worrying about the result, and the sheer enjoyment of the growing realisation that we were turning over Sale in their backyard, it was really pretty dull, error-strewn and stop-start to watch. I couldnít help but wonder what someone whoís accustomed to watching the Aotaeroa competition would make of that, in perfect summer conditions. Take nothing away from Bathís performance. We were slight underdogs, playing away and were fully entitled to dog it out, hassle them into errors through kicking, aggressive defence and a lot of harrying. But that felt like the pitch was about 40 metres wide at times and no-one other than McGinty and Faf seemed to be able to create any space. PriestlandĎs and Spencerís kicking was phenomenal - but if thatís what too-of-the-table summer rugby looks like, Iíll stick with the winter thanks.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
14/09/2020 00:06
As mentioned, great credit must go to the management & coaching team for the progress being made. True, we havenít won anything yet but the performances since resumption have been stunning & the team spirit so evident. Itís also good not to have to read the repetitive & unsubstantiated comments about a deep seated malaise within the Club & that everything would fall apart under Hooper. Fortunately these individuals donít run the club! Incidentally, a few have commented on how amazing it was to win away at Sale but without crowds does whether we are home or away make any difference?

Danchinho
Danchinho
14/09/2020 00:14
The thing is, NZ is chock full of very skilled players and a lot of them have plenty of flair and imagination. They try stuff all the time. If it doesnít work, they just keep throwing it around, blind passes, etc. But even there, tough physical teams come out on top. The Crusaders (post Blackadder) success is built on a very disciplined and aggressive pack. The big difference in the forwards is offloads. They attempt and complete many more offloads. It just makes it harder for defences to line their men up.
Fwiw, Sarries also weíre doing this very well a couple of seasons ago.
Weíve just to get on the shoulder more of a runner and make it happen. Have a bit more confidence in the skill set. English players often look to afraid to make a mistake. Not just in rugby either. National disease imho.

I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

OBinFiji
OBinFiji
14/09/2020 00:16
Blimey Opti - just watched the last 5 minutes of Force v Rebels. 100% pick and go - Rebels didn't fling it wide once. Exciting yes - a place in the finals begging. Winning rugby yes. Entertaining rugby , no.
Its not restricted to the Northern Hemisphere.

OBinFiji

OBinFiji
OBinFiji
14/09/2020 00:20
Oh and woke up at 5am to check the result - fully expecting to go back to bed grumpy. Excellent stuff - it is really exciting how much the team are clearly playing for each other. Massive compliment to the management for engendering that spirit - reckon Mr Matavesi has something to do with it - he seems to be thoroughly enjoying himself (which is more than can be said when he plays for Fiji). Am I right in thinking he wanted to play for Bath since he was a teenager?.

Cant wait to see the whole match live (lets hope they don't do the same with it as with the Harlequins game - anyone show me where I can watch that?).

OBinFiji

9215
9215
14/09/2020 00:48
The Quins game is available here: [www.my5.tv]

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joethefanatic
14/09/2020 02:03
Firstly, a simply outstanding game of rugby. Secondly, WELL DONE BOYS!! Thirdly, I think we might be contenders this season rather than next.

My MotM - Ben Spencer.

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

opti
Optimist
14/09/2020 09:40
Quote:
OBinFiji
Blimey Opti - just watched the last 5 minutes of Force v Rebels. 100% pick and go - Rebels didn't fling it wide once. Exciting yes - a place in the finals begging. Winning rugby yes. Entertaining rugby , no.
Its not restricted to the Northern Hemisphere.

OBinFiji

I'm probably guilty of 'highlights syndrome' when it comes to SH rugby - but, try watching Bath/Sale again, knowing the result, and also pretending you don't care which team wins anyway. I guarantee that very few people would sit through 100+ minutes of that for the sheer quality of the rugby.

Again - for the avoidance of doubt - that was a phenomenal 'performance' by Bath, a massive step forward for the team, a huge boost for Hooper's standing, and something to give every supporter confidence that we are on the threshold of being a top 4 team, with all the equipment to put in a competitive performance in Europe too.

Another feather in Hooper's cap is the quality of recruitment: Will Stuart, Redpath and Ben Spencer have got to be as good a trio of recruits as GP club have made.

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woodpecker
14/09/2020 09:51
Having Spencer seems to have significantly taken the heat off RP, working well.

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
14/09/2020 09:56
Quote:
OBinFiji
Cant wait to see the whole match live (lets hope they don't do the same with it as with the Harlequins game - anyone show me where I can watch that?).
OBinFiji

Where & when can you see the whole match? Although I have BT Sport I find watching vital matches like that live too nerve racking, strange because I can cope with going to matches! I am looking forward to watching the extended highlights but would sooner watch the entire match.

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Clarkey3k
14/09/2020 10:00
Quote:
woodpecker
Having Spencer seems to have significantly taken the heat off RP, working well.

We were discussing this during the game yesterday, RP is playing much better with Spencer inside him. He made a nice line break yesterday and was immaculate off the tee. Overall a very accomplished performance from him...

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Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
14/09/2020 10:01
I think almost all of us would like us to get into the top 4 & preferably 3rd even though we are likely to lose against Exeter. However, I cannot see our rivals dropping points in their remaining two games whereas we could despite our good form. With the long gaps now between matches will Bristol be able to play their first team both times as that may be our best hope?

Danchinho
Danchinho
14/09/2020 10:03
Quote:
OBinFiji
Blimey Opti - just watched the last 5 minutes of Force v Rebels. 100% pick and go - Rebels didn't fling it wide once. Exciting yes - a place in the finals begging. Winning rugby yes. Entertaining rugby , no.
Its not restricted to the Northern Hemisphere.

OBinFiji

Tbf, Opti was talking about the Aotaeroa so you know, different country...

dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
14/09/2020 10:07
Interesting point, opti, and as a former back I agree that the game wasn't 100 minutes of poetry (barely 10 minutes for that matter), especially for a neutral. But I think that's why, in a nutshell, for me, rugby is still so fascinating and why I find a 12-6 almost but not quite preferable to a 39-33.

Despite efforts being made to turn rugby into a fast-paced, open game that appeals to neutrals and new comers, there are still a host of ways to win a game and one very popular one doesn't involve risk and adventure. It involves a focus on defence and set piece, kicking from 9 and 10 and consistent if not game changing attack. As we all know, in the Prem, over the last decade, Exeter and Saracens have shown that it works. Sure, they bolted on very effective attacking games but they won leagues doing the basics. I like how Bath are quite clearly trying to do the same.

Now the problem is that a new comer to the sport will turn on the TV, not understand that Bath are trying to 'do an Exeter' and are a few years away from being an all-singing-all-dancing team and perhaps switch off. I get that and I think rules and improvements have been made to get us to a point where the 'product' is just about good enough for the new comer. But selfishly, as someone who watches a lot and knows a little about rugby, I'm fascinated by even the bad games, as there's always something of interest, a sub plot, a plan etc.

It's why I also don't buy the argument that players must 'love playing for Bristol' (or Northampton earlier in the season) because they throw it about. Professional rugby players love winning. End of. Even wingers who get cold stood out on the touchline chasing box kicks all day,would rather do it for a team that wins 3-0. If your wingers don't, you need new wingers. So whilst it's great to watch what Bristol are trying to do and it might (might...) work one day, I don't think in this league it will work consistently enough to win multiple titles (like Leicester, Sarries, Exe).

Hence, whilst it pains me a bit to watch a boring game of rugby, as long as I can see why a team is trying to do what they're trying to do i.e. Bath, Hooper, and Hatley are focusing on basics
and winning, I am hooked.

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shipwrecked
14/09/2020 10:09
Quote:
Bath Hammer
Quote:
OBinFiji
Cant wait to see the whole match live (lets hope they don't do the same with it as with the Harlequins game - anyone show me where I can watch that?).
OBinFiji

Where & when can you see the whole match? Although I have BT Sport I find watching vital matches like that live too nerve racking, strange because I can cope with going to matches! I am looking forward to watching the extended highlights but would sooner watch the entire match.

Mentioned here:

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9215
The Quins game is available here: [www.my5.tv]

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hasta
14/09/2020 10:10
The whole game replay is available on BT Sport online.

gaz59
gaz59
14/09/2020 10:17
Jeez, what is going on at Saints?

Wasn't that long ago they were scoring great tries and a few on ere enviously looking at their recruitment of Boyd

Yesterday they failed to score against Leicester who were down to 13!

Danchinho
Danchinho
14/09/2020 10:17
Dr. Bath. I donít share your aesthetic but I have huge respect for your passion for rugby.

I probably don't know what i'm talking about.

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woodpecker
14/09/2020 10:21
A mention for Obano!

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hasta
14/09/2020 10:24
Both Boyd and Ackermann got lauded and made immediate impact, but both faded very badly. Shows the complexity of managing squad across multiple seasons.

Danchinho
Danchinho
14/09/2020 10:25
Quote:
gaz59
Jeez, what is going on at Saints?
Wasn't that long ago they were scoring great tries and a few on ere enviously looking at their recruitment of Boyd

Yesterday they failed to score against Leicester who were down to 13!

Because Iím new to this Iíve learnt to withhold gushing praise until a couple of years in!

I made that mistake with Ackermann at Glos. 1st season I was weak at the knees and hugely jealous. Come the 2nd year, not so much....

bardofavon
bardofavon
14/09/2020 10:30
Quote:
Bath Hammer
Quote:
OBinFiji
Cant wait to see the whole match live (lets hope they don't do the same with it as with the Harlequins game - anyone show me where I can watch that?).
OBinFiji

Where & when can you see the whole match? Although I have BT Sport I find watching vital matches like that live too nerve racking, strange because I can cope with going to matches! I am looking forward to watching the extended highlights but would sooner watch the entire match.

go to prem website. all the games are free to watch from around tues. maybe weds.

bardofavon
bardofavon
14/09/2020 10:42
well that was a defining game for us. it's one thing to win well at the rec against Lon Irish or similar, but to go to a place like the AJ and beat their top side will give the lads immense self confidence- something which has been lacking in recent times. clearly Ben Spencer has been the catalyst for the much improved post lockdown form but in all fairness to fans we have been complaining about our scrum half problems for 3 or 4 years now so the coaches were behind the curve on this one.
I still don't think we deserve to win the comp. our back play is too ragged. we need some more assets in the centres- clark and wright aren't good enough. maybe, with jj likely to head off for internationals it might be time to give ojomoh and will butt a run?

9215
9215
14/09/2020 11:29
Quote:
Bath Hammer

Where & when can you see the whole match? Although I have BT Sport I find watching vital matches like that live too nerve racking, strange because I can cope with going to matches! I am looking forward to watching the extended highlights but would sooner watch the entire match.

The full matches end up here: [www.premiershiprugby.com]
You should be able to get them on catchup if youíve got BT Sport too, and theyíll probably appear sooner there

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
14/09/2020 11:32
Watched that McC try again and I think defenders are going to have to learn to stop going high on him to tackle him. Both James and Tuilagi get bumped off with some ease.

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shipwrecked
14/09/2020 11:40
Quote:
Never In Doubt
Watched that McC try again and I think defenders are going to have to learn to stop going high on him to tackle him. Both James and Tuilagi get bumped off with some ease.

Yes, good point he does fend very well and is clearly strong and fast to do that. Must be a contender for the England shirt.

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opti
Optimist
14/09/2020 11:45
Quote:
Never In Doubt
Watched that McC try again and I think defenders are going to have to learn to stop going high on him to tackle him. Both James and Tuilagi get bumped off with some ease.

Letís not get carried away - James and Tuilagi bumped into each other.

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
14/09/2020 11:55
Quote:
Optimist
Quote:
Never In Doubt
Watched that McC try again and I think defenders are going to have to learn to stop going high on him to tackle him. Both James and Tuilagi get bumped off with some ease.

Letís not get carried away - James and Tuilagi bumped into each other.

Bit harsh ... you can argue their tackles are weak but I think they both bump of him rather than each other.

Awp24975
Awp24975
14/09/2020 12:06
Quote:
dr.bath1865
Interesting point, opti, and as a former back I agree that the game wasn't 100 minutes of poetry (barely 10 minutes for that matter), especially for a neutral. But I think that's why, in a nutshell, for me, rugby is still so fascinating and why I find a 12-6 almost but not quite preferable to a 39-33.
Despite efforts being made to turn rugby into a fast-paced, open game that appeals to neutrals and new comers, there are still a host of ways to win a game and one very popular one doesn't involve risk and adventure. It involves a focus on defence and set piece, kicking from 9 and 10 and consistent if not game changing attack. As we all know, in the Prem, over the last decade, Exeter and Saracens have shown that it works. Sure, they bolted on very effective attacking games but they won leagues doing the basics. I like how Bath are quite clearly trying to do the same.

Now the problem is that a new comer to the sport will turn on the TV, not understand that Bath are trying to 'do an Exeter' and are a few years away from being an all-singing-all-dancing team and perhaps switch off. I get that and I think rules and improvements have been made to get us to a point where the 'product' is just about good enough for the new comer. But selfishly, as someone who watches a lot and knows a little about rugby, I'm fascinated by even the bad games, as there's always something of interest, a sub plot, a plan etc.

It's why I also don't buy the argument that players must 'love playing for Bristol' (or Northampton earlier in the season) because they throw it about. Professional rugby players love winning. End of. Even wingers who get cold stood out on the touchline chasing box kicks all day,would rather do it for a team that wins 3-0. If your wingers don't, you need new wingers. So whilst it's great to watch what Bristol are trying to do and it might (might...) work one day, I don't think in this league it will work consistently enough to win multiple titles (like Leicester, Sarries, Exe).

Hence, whilst it pains me a bit to watch a boring game of rugby, as long as I can see why a team is trying to do what they're trying to do i.e. Bath, Hooper, and Hatley are focusing on basics
and winning, I am hooked.

Excellent points and agree. I watch as much rugby as I can but find I get bored very easily watching super rugby unless the South African teams are playing.

Old Bath Tub
Old Bath Tub
14/09/2020 12:37
I don't normally do this, but i visited the Sale forum to read the fans view of the game, most seem to think they lost the game at the line-out and heavy criticism of their hooker. Many being realistic and saying the loss was down to there own misgivings. Also several blaming their captain Jonno Ross for making the wrong decisions and getting the wrong side of the ref with his constant questioning of his decisions. It seems this happens often with J Ross and referees . Some blame Will Stuart for so called indiscretions at scrum time. Overall a philosophical view from many but of course the usual few blaming the ref. and saying Bath did not do anything special but won the game on the back of Sale mistakes. Happy Days ! (Sm128)

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CoochieCoo
14/09/2020 12:41
From my angle the greatest asset Hoops and Hats have instilled over the Covid lockdown is the bonhomie. All the players are a happy bunch and enjoying life. As I have said before a good team spirit (Players and Coaches) make for a winning combination. Onwards and upwards.

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Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
14/09/2020 13:54
I missed yesterday afternoon's sport, as I was visiting my daughter, and, along with the Grandchildren, we went for a long walk down by Saltford riverside.
I did not know any of the sport results until I got home.
First up, hearing that Hamilton won in a chaotic Grand Prix,
2nd, hearing that England beat the Aussies (always satisfying!),
then hearing that Bath had won away at Sale!!
What a wonderful end to a wonderful day!
Well done Bath!

warrenball
warrenball
14/09/2020 14:03
Good point, CC, a happy team is usually a winning team.

Very good result, difficult to pick any Bath player out as they all played well. Felt a bit sorry watching Steve Diamond he looked so on edge, gulping down great gulps of air, i would worry for his long term health.

Well done Bath, showing real signs of improvement.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
14/09/2020 14:27
In the Daily Telegraph today Bath have 5 in the Team of the Weekend.

Obviously a lot of teams played emerging talent so that would have helped..............but all the samethumbs down

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Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
14/09/2020 14:31
Agreed CC a happy squad but also a squad that can actually see and believe in progress.

Danchinho
Danchinho
14/09/2020 14:33
Quote:
Old Bath Tub
I don't normally do this, but i visited the Sale forum to read the fans view of the game, most seem to think they lost the game at the line-out and heavy criticism of their hooker. Many being realistic and saying the loss was down to there own misgivings. Also several blaming their captain Jonno Ross for making the wrong decisions and getting the wrong side of the ref with his constant questioning of his decisions. It seems this happens often with J Ross and referees . Some blame Will Stuart for so called indiscretions at scrum time. Overall a philosophical view from many but of course the usual few blaming the ref. and saying Bath did not do anything special but won the game on the back of Sale mistakes. Happy Days ! (Sm128)

I think have really bought into the idea of being the strongest and most aggressive pack. Unfortunately for them, theyíre not. They got done by ours on their home turf. Our hits were bigger and more telling.

gaz59
gaz59
14/09/2020 14:39
Loved the attitude of Will Spencer too, there was no way he was going to let the ref tell him to leave the pitch

opti
Optimist
14/09/2020 14:42
Quote:
CoochieCoo
From my angle the greatest asset Hoops and Hats have instilled over the Covid lockdown is the bonhomie. All the players are a happy bunch and enjoying life. As I have said before a good team spirit (Players and Coaches) make for a winning combination. Onwards and upwards.

I've said it before, but 'team spirit' and 'winning' are very much a chicken and egg kind of thing. If anything, I'd say the team spirit was forged in those very narrow victories that the team carved out in the first part of the season. We won 3 consecutive GP games in Jan/Feb by 3 points, 1 point and 7 points. Those games can just as easily go against you for not much more than the bounce of a ball or a kick that goes 6 inches wide.

Did we win those games through 'team spirit'? Partly, yes. But a bit of luck played its part. If all 3 had gone the other way would team spirit be close to what it is now? I doubt it.

The team spirit does look fantastic and all power to Hooper for that. But winning comes first in my opinion.

warrenball
warrenball
14/09/2020 16:03
Winning helps Opti, undoubtedly, but the major factor is how the players get on as a group.

dr.bath1865
dr.bath1865
14/09/2020 16:23
Just read that Faletau made 17 tackles and missed 0. Gulp. 8 carries too.

He may not quite be back to doing the flashy stuff yet but his workrate is huge.

Perhaps TF is coming to the boil at the perfect point of the season? Guys like him win big matches

bardofavon
bardofavon
14/09/2020 16:45
it would be good if we didn't give away so many early points. I believe in 5 of the 7 games since lockdown we have gifted early tries or penalties through being half asleep.
we have seemingly corrected many of the problems that have afflicted us in recent seasons such as poor fitness levels, excessive injuries, inability to score points and lack of self confidence. this is one issue that still plagues us.

opti
Optimist
14/09/2020 17:12
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bardofavon
it would be good if we didn't give away so many early points

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that i don't really care when we give away points in the game, as long as we have scored more than the opposition at the final whistle. It's a very competitive league, and at some point in the game we will concede, whoever we are playing. Besides, didn't we, until recently, have a habit of conceding points at the end of the game?

ballsout
ballsout
14/09/2020 18:02
Ok that's enough big wins in a row (kind of) to finally suggest we're on the right track, and that was a BIG win. We still have a bad habit of sleep-walking into games but at least we do eventually wake up. Our ball control is still terrible (we barely touched it in the entire second half), and I have no idea what sport Dorset Boy is watching if he can't see that, but can't argue with the results! I've often said that we'v always been capable of pulling off big wins every so often, but they've always felt pretty meaningless in the long run because we end up playing like drains the next week and losing the next couple. This feels different though. Still huge flaws that need fixing though...

Susanne
Susanne
14/09/2020 19:45
Flats singing Spencer's praises on the highlights programme - thinks he could be our best signing since Flouw

ballsout
ballsout
14/09/2020 19:52
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Susanne
Flats singing Spencer's praises on the highlights programme - thinks he could be our best signing since Flouw

Flats sings literally anyone's praises. The bloke who walks the dog round the corner would be the best dog walker the world's ever seen if you ask Flats.

Mike the Taxi
Mike the Taxi
14/09/2020 20:23
BO "Flats sings literally anyone's praises. The bloke who walks the dog round the corner would be the best dog walker the world's ever seen if you ask Flats."

Didn't take long to get back to normal, then?



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hasta
14/09/2020 20:32
Both things can be true, Flats doesn't criticise, but Spencer probably is our best signing since Louw.

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joethefanatic
14/09/2020 20:45
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hasta
Both things can be true, Flats doesn't criticise, but Spencer probably is our best signing since Louw.

A fact that will have been noted by the other teams. We're gonna need a Plan B. But Plan A has been a huge success.

... IMHO, of course.

Now in Honolulu

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hasta
14/09/2020 21:01
Marland Yarde just decided to give him the ball, what can you do?

Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
15/09/2020 00:03
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bardofavon
I still don't think we deserve to win the comp. our back play is too ragged. we need some more assets in the centres- clark and wright aren't good enough. maybe, with jj likely to head off for internationals it might be time to give ojomoh and will butt a run?

That Worcester centre Ollie Lawrence would be a nice fit, along with Redpath.

opti
Optimist
15/09/2020 00:13
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hasta
Both things can be true, Flats doesn't criticise, but Spencer probably is our best signing since Louw.

Spencer is our best signing since Redpath, who was our best signing since Stuart, who was our best signing since McConnoghie ...

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
15/09/2020 10:13
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hasta
Both things can be true, Flats doesn't criticise, but Spencer probably is our best signing since Louw.

Spencer is our best signing since Redpath, who was our best signing since Stuart, who was our best signing since McConnoghie ...

All excellent players and hopefully will be for many years to come, but I feel like there has been a bit of quantum leap with Spencer in terms of what we needed to pull the whole together. His calm accuracy under pressure, quick service and genuine running threat seems to have made everyone around him bloom.

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charlieboa
charlieboa
15/09/2020 10:18
Recruitment has been v astute recently. Last year boyce/stuart/judge/williams/mcnally.

This year schoeman, w spencer, b spencer, matavesi, redpath, muir

Jury still out on a few of them but so far most are in the 'roaring success' category for me.

opti
Optimist
15/09/2020 11:04
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joethefanatic
Spencer probably is our best signing since Louw - A fact that will have been noted by the other teams. We're gonna need a Plan B. But Plan A has been a huge success.

One of the good things is that Chudley, in terms of style, is very much a Spencer like-for-like, and so, should one or other miss a period, there's no need to change playing style particularly. And the way our defence and set piece are at the moment, it's pretty unlikely that we're ever going to be chasing more than a score or two, so there's no real need to have a completely different option on the bench.

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
15/09/2020 11:21
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Optimist
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joethefanatic
Spencer probably is our best signing since Louw - A fact that will have been noted by the other teams. We're gonna need a Plan B. But Plan A has been a huge success.

One of the good things is that Chudley, in terms of style, is very much a Spencer like-for-like

Style maybe, but in terms of speed, accuracy and execution they are like chalk and cheese... Max Green is more like Spencer in terms of running threat and passing speed / quality IMO.

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Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
15/09/2020 13:09
I acknowledge RP has been very good...................at what he does. He has in fact been better at what he does than normal.

Its just that we need more if we are to develop a Plan B as well as the currently very successful Plan A

gaz59
gaz59
15/09/2020 15:02
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I acknowledge RP has been very good...................at what he does. He has in fact been better at what he does than normal.
Its just that we need more if we are to develop a Plan B as well as the currently very successful Plan A

+1

Couldn't have put it better, BSJ

opti
Optimist
15/09/2020 15:11
Kind of hoping that current Plan A will become Plan B and that the new Plan A will involve a bit more singing and dancing.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
15/09/2020 15:14
But can RP sing and dance at the same time...................I know you can Opti(Sm22)

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
15/09/2020 15:34
For me RP has hugely benefited from having Spencer inside and CR / JM outside - this means that there is no real pressure on him to create anything magical as others are able to do it, he can then be a tactical and place kicking machine which tbf he was always rather good at. (i.e. Our gaze / playmaking expectation is largely off him).

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opti
Optimist
15/09/2020 15:37
I'd say RP's humming pleasantly and skipping cheerfully, rather than singing and dancing. Me - I'm squawking and hobbling!

Bathovalballer
Bathovalballer
15/09/2020 22:48
So what is Mr Dempsey doing or adding to the party? Yes RP has been very good (at goal kicking and libs kicking) but not so much in getting the line moving. Spencer with his miss passes has added much more, and makes RP look good. Without Mr S I wonder if we would be in the position we are now. Not that I am decrying it, just want to see more flowing backs moves from a talented group of individuals.

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Bath Hammer
Bath Hammer
16/09/2020 08:09
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Bathovalballer
So what is Mr Dempsey doing or adding to the party? Yes RP has been very good (at goal kicking and libs kicking) but not so much in getting the line moving. Spencer with his miss passes has added much more, and makes RP look good. Without Mr S I wonder if we would be in the position we are now. Not that I am decrying it, just want to see more flowing backs moves from a talented group of individuals.

+ 1 By now I would have been expecting our back line to be more like Leinster at their pomp

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hasta
16/09/2020 08:16
What I want is stable, consistent improvement, not us rapidly getting better and then worse again (a la Glaws/Saints). I remain unconvinced that Dempsey is right for the job, but there are signs of our layering an attacking game plan on top of our pack/kicking/defense plans.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
16/09/2020 08:21
To be fair to Mr Dempsey..................we now have a set piece that is 95% certain of winning line out ball and very likely to win controlled quality scrum ball.....................we also have a scrumhalf who gets on with it.

The effect of this is that RP and the backs have an extra "second"....................that is really important!

opti
Optimist
16/09/2020 09:04
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Bath Supporter Jack
To be fair to Mr Dempsey..................we now have a set piece that is 95% certain of winning line out ball and very likely to win controlled quality scrum ball.....................we also have a scrumhalf who gets on with it.
The effect of this is that RP and the backs have an extra "second"....................that is really important!

Iíd say thatís precisely the opposite of being Ďfairí to Mr Dempsey. All of what you evidence makes him look even worse. If you canít produce coherent attacking backs play from that set of advantages then itís hard to imagine you ever will.

gaz59
gaz59
16/09/2020 09:10
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Optimist
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To be fair to Mr Dempsey..................we now have a set piece that is 95% certain of winning line out ball and very likely to win controlled quality scrum ball.....................we also have a scrumhalf who gets on with it.
The effect of this is that RP and the backs have an extra "second"....................that is really important!

Iíd say thatís precisely the opposite of being Ďfairí to Mr Dempsey. All of what you evidence makes him look even worse. If you canít produce coherent attacking backs play from that set of advantages then itís hard to imagine you ever will.

Well Freddie in his recent interview would seem to disagree. He says Dempsey is a good coach with great ideas but is constrained by Hooper and Hatley

That may be a myopic perception but it is either true and Dempsey has the ability and vision for something more exciting and is content, for time being at least, to go along with the 'layered' strategy or it isn't and Hooper is content with an underperforming attack coach

Still very odd, whichever reality you buy

BathMatt53
BathMatt53
16/09/2020 09:16
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gaz59
Well Freddie in his recent interview would seem to disagree. He says Dempsey is a good coach with great ideas but is constrained by Hooper and Hatley.
That may be a myopic perception...

Yes I read that interview and felt a bit sad / disappointed that he is still having a gripe about how it all wasn't fair and how he wasn't given a chance to become one of the very best 10s in the world. IMO he came across as bitter and a bit deluded which is a shame, whether he has a point or not, because I have been a big fan in the past. The sooner that he can get to Japan and start scoring some points for his new team the better he will feel, I'm sure.

[Edit: apologies I see that this also crosses the 'gainsayers' thread]

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Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
16/09/2020 09:22
I am willing to give Dempsey a break until the end of the season (at least). I think back development was de-prioritised, or hampered by lack of quality possession, until other fundamentals were in place. I think we are now seeing an improvement and I am willing to be take a breathe and see where we get to in the rest of the season.

gaz59
gaz59
16/09/2020 09:26
You wouldn't describe our tries against Sale as coming straight out of an attack play book but all four were made and finished by the backs

And I don't think any of them went through the fly half

Maybe that's our attack strategy, more opportunistic than rehearsed?

opti
Optimist
16/09/2020 09:47
Gaz: 'He says Dempsey is a good coach with great ideas but is constrained by Hooper and Hatley' - I didn't read/hear that, but that sounds pretty credible.

NID: 'I think back development was de-prioritised' - that also sounds like a reasonable interpretation (and possibly a reasonable approach).

Gaz: 'Maybe that's our attack strategy, more opportunistic than rehearsed?' .... also agree that this is probably true - our aggressive defence has 'created' a lot of opportunities.

With Hooper's authority at an all-time high, it's fair to say that his approach has been vindicated, and so I do feel as though we can expect to see more attacking options layered on in the coming months.

JFPC
JFPC
16/09/2020 09:55
Am I the only one who would have liked to have seen Fred and Spencer partnered behind this pack for a few games?

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player 2020 Josh Matavesi

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
16/09/2020 10:00
Bit harsh Gaz, McConnochie try looks like an attack play developed over several phases with good line out ball, strong line out drive, a couple of mid-field set ups (slightly aimlessly), we go wide to Hamer Webb via Priestland and Matavesi, come back infield via Priestland to create space on both sides and then make a line break down the left via TdG to McConnochie with a dummy line from Joseph.

Priestland doesn't seem to be involved in the last phase as he has gone to the other side of the ruck to make it look like we are going right. This looks like a really good team try with lots of phases and different skill sets. They have been rare but we should acknowledge them when they happen.

Don't get me wrong, our attacking play for most of the season has been awful but it only seems fair to say that it is now improving.



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ballsout
ballsout
16/09/2020 10:16
Burns came off as extremely deluded in his interview, especially the part about him coming off the bench and his "tactical kicking" being good, when in reality it was absolutely terrible and cost us many times.

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gaz59
Maybe that's our attack strategy, more opportunistic than rehearsed?

That's been true for years, it's why our scores tend to come out of the blue from nothing, rather than sustained pressure.

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woodpecker
16/09/2020 10:28
Hatley came back to bath in November and the season was suspended in March, Freddy left what in May?

So his comments might be true for Hooper, but a bit early for Hatley.

opti
Optimist
16/09/2020 11:02
Bear in mind Burns has also being doing some media rounds for this - see the footer to the Daily Mail interview on 12 Sept:

'Freddie Burns is an ambassador for the DFY Foundation which uses sport to make a positive impact in the community. It is a non-profit organisation aiming to inspire kids from disadvantaged backgrounds to achieve their full potential'.

The fact that he's quotable and currently in a situation where he has a bit more freedom to speak his mind means the media give him space/airtime.

sirtidychris
sirtidychris
16/09/2020 11:28
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JFPC
Am I the only one who would have liked to have seen Fred and Spencer partnered behind this pack for a few games?

Would have been interesting for 60 mins until Freddie had to go off with leg cramping

gaz59
gaz59
16/09/2020 11:36
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Never In Doubt
Bit harsh Gaz, McConnochie try looks like an attack play developed over several phases with good line out ball, strong line out drive, a couple of mid-field set ups (slightly aimlessly), we go wide to Hamer Webb via Priestland and Matavesi, come back infield via Priestland to create space on both sides and then make a line break down the left via TdG to McConnochie with a dummy line from Joseph.
Priestland doesn't seem to be involved in the last phase as he has gone to the other side of the ruck to make it look like we are going right. This looks like a really good team try with lots of phases and different skill sets. They have been rare but we should acknowledge them when they happen.

Don't get me wrong, our attacking play for most of the season has been awful but it only seems fair to say that it is now improving.

Wouldn't disagree with the view of it being a quality team try built through several phases. It was just not a clearly rehearsed set of defined moves but relying on players making the right decisions including the long floated miss pass to Hamer Webb

I have no problem with that at all, in fact I think it shows a far more mature attack minded philosophy than relying on the wonder move off first phase

Regarding RP's involvement, it was just a simple pop pass inside to Mcnally I think and then two standard shipped passes

The opportunity and line break came from others

Again, no real problem with that apart from it tells the opposition exactly what to expect from him

gaz59
gaz59
16/09/2020 11:40
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Optimist
Gaz: 'He says Dempsey is a good coach with great ideas but is constrained by Hooper and Hatley' - I didn't read/hear that, but that sounds pretty credible.
NID: 'I think back development was de-prioritised' - that also sounds like a reasonable interpretation (and possibly a reasonable approach).

Gaz: 'Maybe that's our attack strategy, more opportunistic than rehearsed?' .... also agree that this is probably true - our aggressive defence has 'created' a lot of opportunities.

With Hooper's authority at an all-time high, it's fair to say that his approach has been vindicated, and so I do feel as though we can expect to see more attacking options layered on in the coming months.

It's here Opti

"Burns continued: ďGirvs [attack coach Girvan Dempsey] is a good coach who has great ideas, but I donít know whether heís being overpowered by the forward pack and way Stuart Hooper and Neal Hatley [head coach] want to play the game."

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
16/09/2020 11:47
Don't disagree on RP, I think his skill set is dependable rather than exceptional but that is what we need to rely on. I think he is a good game manager, passer and kicker but will not provide instinctive creative skills. This is why another play maker at 12 or 15 coming into the line is so important for us.

Looking back at was been posted in last few posts then maybe my point on the overall try is that there is probably a spectrum of ways tries are created.

i) Pack thudding forward in a very limited way
ii) Opportunistic turn overs
iii) Several phases of play designed to create space in a good attacking part of the pitch for key players to capitalise on
iv) Rehearsed first phase move

I think we are mostly using 1&2 but starting to see 3. 4 would be nice to add icing to the cake but given our strengths I think most of our tries will and should come from 1.



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DorsetBoy
Dorset Boy
16/09/2020 12:48
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Never In Doubt
Bit harsh Gaz, McConnochie try looks like an attack play developed over several phases with good line out ball, strong line out drive, a couple of mid-field set ups (slightly aimlessly), we go wide to Hamer Webb via Priestland and Matavesi, come back infield via Priestland to create space on both sides and then make a line break down the left via TdG to McConnochie with a dummy line from Joseph.
Priestland doesn't seem to be involved in the last phase as he has gone to the other side of the ruck to make it look like we are going right. This looks like a really good team try with lots of phases and different skill sets. They have been rare but we should acknowledge them when they happen.

Don't get me wrong, our attacking play for most of the season has been awful but it only seems fair to say that it is now improving.

Don't know what game you were watching NID, because Ballsout keeps telling us all that Bath drop the ball or get turned over after one phase, and haven't strung two phases together for years. (Sm159)

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
16/09/2020 13:06
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Dorset Boy
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Never In Doubt
Bit harsh Gaz, McConnochie try looks like an attack play developed over several phases with good line out ball, strong line out drive, a couple of mid-field set ups (slightly aimlessly), we go wide to Hamer Webb via Priestland and Matavesi, come back infield via Priestland to create space on both sides and then make a line break down the left via TdG to McConnochie with a dummy line from Joseph.
Priestland doesn't seem to be involved in the last phase as he has gone to the other side of the ruck to make it look like we are going right. This looks like a really good team try with lots of phases and different skill sets. They have been rare but we should acknowledge them when they happen.

Don't get me wrong, our attacking play for most of the season has been awful but it only seems fair to say that it is now improving.

Don't know what game you were watching NID, because Ballsout keeps telling us all that Bath drop the ball or get turned over after one phase, and haven't strung two phases together for years. (Sm159)

Yes but this period of the game happened after he stopped posting so it didn't exist in the world of Schrodinger's forums.

ballsout
ballsout
16/09/2020 13:08
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Dorset Boy
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Never In Doubt
Bit harsh Gaz, McConnochie try looks like an attack play developed over several phases with good line out ball, strong line out drive, a couple of mid-field set ups (slightly aimlessly), we go wide to Hamer Webb via Priestland and Matavesi, come back infield via Priestland to create space on both sides and then make a line break down the left via TdG to McConnochie with a dummy line from Joseph.
Priestland doesn't seem to be involved in the last phase as he has gone to the other side of the ruck to make it look like we are going right. This looks like a really good team try with lots of phases and different skill sets. They have been rare but we should acknowledge them when they happen.

Don't get me wrong, our attacking play for most of the season has been awful but it only seems fair to say that it is now improving.

Don't know what game you were watching NID, because Ballsout keeps telling us all that Bath drop the ball or get turned over after one phase, and haven't strung two phases together for years. (Sm159)

It's there for all to see, 90% of the time.

One of the reasons why we ended up with 35% possession at the weekend.

Like I said, great win and dominant for most of the game but it's by far our achilles heel.

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
16/09/2020 13:11
I agree it has been a weakness but possession is a flawed statistic on its own. If you score after 3 phases and your opponent takes 10 phases to go nowhere then possession is irrelevant.

opti
Optimist
16/09/2020 14:43
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Never In Doubt
there is probably a spectrum of ways tries are created.
i) Pack thudding forward in a very limited way
ii) Opportunistic turn overs
iii) Several phases of play designed to create space in a good attacking part of the pitch for key players to capitalise on
iv) Rehearsed first phase move

I think we are mostly using 1&2 but starting to see 3. 4

That's a pretty good summary NID. However, I think ii requires breaking into 2 parts.

We've started to win turn overs quite a lot in this mini-season through ultra-agressive defence, through the competability of Spencer's box-kics, and through lineout pressure. However, we only use that 'turnover' ball by pumping it straight back in behind, and repeating the aggressive-pressure tactic.

From an entertainment point of view, I'd really like to see us keep the ball in hand on turnovers rather than instinctively kicking it away. But, we're averaging 4+ tries a game now, so it's more of an aesthetic complaint, than an effectiveness one.

Never In Doubt
Never In Doubt
16/09/2020 15:26
True Opti, it's always about decision making.

On the whole, I think if we win turnover ball in our 22 then the choice is to quickly box kick (or another territory based play) and then compete for the ball in the opposition half or counter attack knowing that you can still kick deep if it doesn't open up. However if you turn the ball over in a more attacking area then the DNA should be to get the ball to our most attacking weapons and go for the line.

Bath Supporter Jack
Bath Supporter Jack
17/09/2020 10:58
Thing is Opti I think I am being fair to Dempsey.

Its all about confidence.

If the backs have no confidence that the forwards are going to win good ball very consistently [/u]

If the backs are not confident on the scrumhalf delivering snappy accurate passes[u]
, THEN

Subconsciously they align flatter because they are concerned that the opposition will get the ball and attack off the base of the scrum, or our fly half will get the ball with a number 7 round his neck or our 10 will kick.

If the above is the case then about the last thing in the world you are thinking about is that move you worked on endlessly at Farleigh.


If the backs believe the ball is going to be won every time with the pack going forward,

If the backs believe that the pass to 10 is going to be perfect ,

It sets everything up for all sorts of moves to develop.

At the weekend I watched Saracens and they interviewed Alex Sanderson who said for years all Saracens could do was kick and tackle and then gradually, OVER TIME, became more expansive.

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