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FASHION A WIN. BATH v BRISTOL PRC
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By PG Tips
November 8 2024
Bristol Bears will bring a “squad” selection to the Rec for Saturday’s Premiership clash with Bath. Many will be pleased, believing such a squad to be within the spirit of the tournament as a player development vehicle. In fact, as Bristol face Australia on Friday evening at Ashton Gate, their team is largely dictated by circumstance. Few of their names will be familiar. Bath, having enjoyed a runaway victory in the last round at Ampthill, will probably stick largely with those who delivered that day.
Whoever Bath chose, they must expect a much tougher test. Any Bristol selection will be shipshape and fashioned to play the Pat Lam way. That is likely to be fast and furious, with eye-catching and subtle midfield attack moves, forwards handling like backs and plenty of wide play to their wingers. We already know the Bears 23, which is not all callow youth. Starting props Thomas and Kloska have 164 appearances between them, Jack Bates is an experienced centre and speedster Rich Lane (41 appearances) is moved to flyhalf. If weather allows, this promises to be as open and exciting a game as the Premiership match last month.
On that occasion Bath came out 10 points on the wrong side of the scoreboard, gaining only 1 league point for a try bonus. The personnel may be different, but they will be desperate to reverse that result. To do so they will have to be a lot smarter, especially at the breakdown (where Bristol’s rucking technique is dubious and very hard to counter) and in midfield and cover defence.
The best counter to Bristol’s game plan though will be forward dominance. If Bath can achieve that, and play most of the game in Bristol territory, they can use their well-developed driving maul strategy and the pace of exciting backs like Hennessy, Griffin and Emmens to take the win. This is a chance for young halfbacks Carr-Smith and Bailey to show they can control a game, for Ewen Richards to continue his leadership experience and for a raft of young forwards to convince the coaches that they are ready for the next step. Chief of these could be prop Vilikesa Sela (recently named in England’s A Squad), hooker Kepu Tuipulotu ( a hat trick scorer at Ampthill) and No 8 Arthur Green.
One possible backline change for Bath could be Max Ojomoh at centre. He needs match practice to get him ready for the England A fixture against Australia. Up front Archie Griffin may be preferred as a starter, for his international experience. Otherwise I would expect only small tweaks to the lineup.
The Premiership Rugby Cup has struggled for relevance and profile for a while, but the new format is now more logical and easier to follow. The opportunity to see the stars of the future as an hors d’oeuvre for the Autumn Internationals is something I for one am looking forward to.
With confidence high from last week, let us hope Bath take the chance to show that their ship is in better shape than Bristol’s and can fashion a convincing win- in style.
Teams:
Bath Rugby (Possible): 1 Arthur Cordwell, 2 Kepu Tuipulotu (debut), 3 Archie Griffin, 4 Will Jeanes (debut), 5 Harvey Cuckson , 6 Ewan Richards (c), 7 Ethan Staddon, 8 Arthur Green, 9 Tom Carr-Smith, 10 Orlando Bailey, 11 Ruaridh McConnochie, 12 Max Ojomoh, , 13 Louie Hennessey, 14 Austin Emens, 15 Ciaran Donoghue
Replacements: 16 Jasper Spandler, 17 Archie Stanley, 18 Vilikesa Sela, 19 Mackenzie Graham, 20 Thompson Cowan, 21 Neil Le Roux, 22 Will Parry
23 Charlie Griffin
Bristol (confirmed). Thomas, Capon, Kloska ©, Jenkins, Paramore, Pearce, Myall, Tull. Edwards, Lane. Boshoff, Jenkins, Bates, Bailey, Rowson.
Replacements: Gwilliam, Trevett, Halliwell, Surrey, Timpson. Lennon, Baker, Cusick.
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Just seen that Archie Griffin is to play for Wales this weekend, so I expect Kieran Verden or Mikey Summerfield will probably be needed at TH.
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Just seen that Archie Griffin is to play for Wales this weekend, so I expect Kieran Verden or Mikey Summerfield will probably be needed at TH.
PG
Surely he doesn't want to continue to stay behind du Toit and Stuart given that he is now a starter for Wales? I wonder what (or who) will give.
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Bath Rugby:
1 Arthur Cordwell
2 Kepu Tuipulotu
3 Kieran Verden
4 Will Jeanes
5 Ewan Richards (c)
6 Ethan Staddon
7 Thompson Cowan
8 Alfie Barbeary
09 Tom Carr-Smith
10 Orlando Bailey
11 Ruaridh McConnochie
12 Will Parry
13 Louie Hennessey
14 Charlie Griffin
15 Ciaran Donoghue
16 John Stewart, 17 Mikey Summerfield, 18 Vilikesa Sela, 19 Mackenzie Graham, 20 Arthur Green
21 Neil Le Roux, 22 James Short (debut), 23 Tyler Offiah (debut)
A man who cannot change his mind, cannot change anything
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1 Arthur Cordwell
2 Kepu Tuipulotu
3 Kieran Verden
4 Will Jeanes
5 Ewan Richards (c)
6 Ethan Staddon
7 Thompson Cowan
8 Alfie Barbeary
09 Tom Carr-Smith
10 Orlando Bailey
11 Ruaridh McConnochie
12 Will Parry
13 Louie Hennessey
14 Charlie Griffin
15 Ciaran Donoghue
16 John Stewart, 17 Mikey Summerfield, 18 Vilikesa Sela, 19 Mackenzie Graham, 20 Arthur Green
21 Neil Le Roux, 22 James Short (debut), 23 Tyler Offiah (debut)
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And here is the team:
TEAMS
Bath Rugby: 1 Arthur Cordwell, 2 Kepu Tuipulotu, 3 Kieran Verden, 4 Will Jeanes, 5 Ewan Richards (c), 6 Ethan Staddon, 7 Thompson Cowan, 8 Alfie Barbeary, 9 Tom Carr-Smith, 10 Orlando Bailey, 11 Ruaridh McConnochie, 12 Will Parry, 13 Louie Hennessey, 14 Charlie Griffin, 15 Ciaran Donoghue
Replacements: 16 John Stewart, 17 Mikey Summerfield, 18 Vilikesa Sela, 19 Mackenzie Graham, 20 Arthur Green, 21 Neil Le Roux, 22 James Short (debut), 23 Tyler Offiah (debut)
PG
Changes: Verden in, Richards to lock, Cowan at 7 & Alfie B in at 8.
PG
TEAMS
Bath Rugby: 1 Arthur Cordwell, 2 Kepu Tuipulotu, 3 Kieran Verden, 4 Will Jeanes, 5 Ewan Richards (c), 6 Ethan Staddon, 7 Thompson Cowan, 8 Alfie Barbeary, 9 Tom Carr-Smith, 10 Orlando Bailey, 11 Ruaridh McConnochie, 12 Will Parry, 13 Louie Hennessey, 14 Charlie Griffin, 15 Ciaran Donoghue
Replacements: 16 John Stewart, 17 Mikey Summerfield, 18 Vilikesa Sela, 19 Mackenzie Graham, 20 Arthur Green, 21 Neil Le Roux, 22 James Short (debut), 23 Tyler Offiah (debut)
PG
Changes: Verden in, Richards to lock, Cowan at 7 & Alfie B in at 8.
PG
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Just seen that Archie Griffin is to play for Wales this weekend, so I expect Kieran Verden or Mikey Summerfield will probably be needed at TH.
PG
Surely he doesn't want to continue to stay behind du Toit and Stuart given that he is now a starter for Wales? I wonder what (or who) will give.
He's been injured (or ill maybe?) most of the season so far. I'm sure he'll get game time after the AIs. He signed an extension in Jan so I suspect he's here for the next two seasons at least - and heading to a Welsh club when they're all really not great and have no money seems unlikely.
Quote:Pericarditis, as discussed elsewherehasta
He's been injured (or ill maybe?) most of the season so far.
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Just a note of thanks to PGT. A minor breakdown in communication so as of 9.30 am there was the belief that I was writing the preview and was very late with my 'copy'. I take ages to write these so am very impressed at how quickly such a polished piece can be written, albeit he's had years of practice.
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Kepu causing chaos already, combines with TCS and Staddon to score OB converts.
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Try each for centres, Will Parry benefits from Hennessy's line who scores his own try followed by a try for Kepu Tuipulotu in the corner.
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Walk in for Bristol (Jenkins) Lane converts
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TCS dummies and goes over, OB converts 31-7 and that's HT
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Kepu wins a counter ruck, Bailey cleverly kicks in behind after continued pressure Louis Hennessy puts Rory McConnochie in.
Bailey (head bandaged) and taped knee cedes to Ciarran Donoghue for the conversion but it slides by.
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Bailey (head bandaged) and taped knee cedes to Ciarran Donoghue for the conversion but it slides by.
Own goal, Bristol pass to Will Parry who scores under the post Donoghue converts.
Stuart on for Kepu, Billy Sela on Arthur Green on for Alfie Berberry.
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Stuart on for Kepu, Billy Sela on Arthur Green on for Alfie Berberry.
Bristol offload to TCS who scores his second try, Donoghue converts excellent! 50-7
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Neil LeRoux on for TCS, a running 9 who is a real prospect IMV.
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Tyler Offiah on for Orlando, RMcC scores in the corner Donoghue with another brilliant conversion wide out. 57-7
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Le Roux yellow carded 14 men each Bristol break out and go over via the forwards 57-12
Donoghue at 10 now RMcC at 15
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Donoghue at 10 now RMcC at 15
Donoghue covering 9 loads of pressure close in and try 10 for Louis Hennessey's second. 64-12 after Donoghue coverts
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Graham feeds Billy Sela who is tackled at full speed and seems to have hurt his elbow. Corddwell back on for BS also Will Jeanes ankle injury. Stays on when crocked!
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Lane breaks brought down but Boshoff scores, 64-12
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Injuries all over the place for Bath but Arthur Green barges over. Donoghue converts 71-19
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Tyler Offiah leaps to intercept for try number 12, Donoghue converts yet again 78-19 and win the game. FT
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Bristol were poor, gifted 3 tries but Bath were really physical and well prepared. Quite a few injuries to wait on Bailey, Sela, Jeannes, (Cuckson last week).
Strength in depth here is significant. Ciarran Donoghue had a good game also Tom Cowan at 7. Parry and Hennessy in the centre paired up really well and TCS and Bailey controlled the game till subbed and injured respectively.
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Strength in depth here is significant. Ciarran Donoghue had a good game also Tom Cowan at 7. Parry and Hennessy in the centre paired up really well and TCS and Bailey controlled the game till subbed and injured respectively.
What was wrong with Bristol. They were dreadful. Was it because they played yesterday & had to play a very inexperienced team. Some of them didn’t look all that fresh faced though!
There going to be highlights anywhere?
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
’’Paint the whole world with a rainbow”
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There going to be highlights anywhere?
Not sure but similar games at the Rec are often on Youtube.
Bristol were terrible. But Bath had energy, skill and intensity in spades. Our strength in depth is very encouraging. Good performances across the park but stand outs for me were Kepu, Richards, Standon, TCS & Hennessy. Bailey looked classy while he was on. Alfie still looks out of sorts. I'd love it if this group could go all the way in this Competition.
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What was wrong with Bristol. They were dreadful. Was it because they played yesterday & had to play a very inexperienced team. Some of them didn’t look all that fresh faced though!
Firstly - well done. You have great strength in depth.
And yes, it was a struggle for Bris to get two squads out. In this one there were 6 debutants and 5 who have only 1 bench appearance, a 10 who had never played 10 before and a loanee from bucs. Having said that, our starting front row all had 49 appearances or over, although not regular 1st choice players. The bulk of this squad play for different teams in the lower leagues and it sounds like the lack of time together showed.
On the bright side, the Friday night squad got a draw against Australia A, and that squad had a couple of school boys too.
Excellent time at the Rec. Some fine performances, Kepu could become an outstanding player but a big shout out for the Remembrance presentation, impeccable performance by the bugler and classical singer, didn't catch their names but the whole tribute was incredibly moving.
Agreed FA
The cleanest last post & reveille I have heard at the Rec for 10 or more years.
PG
The cleanest last post & reveille I have heard at the Rec for 10 or more years.
PG
Sounds like an excellent win, always great to stuff Bristol, at any level. Fingers crossed now of the injuries are too serious.
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[quote EverOptimistic][quote Bath Hammer]What was wrong with Bristol. They were dreadful. Was it because they played yesterday & had to play a very inexperienced team. Some of them didn’t look all that fresh faced though![/quote]
Firstly - well done. You have great strength in depth.
And yes, it was a struggle for Bris to get two squads out. In this one there were 6 debutants and 5 who have only 1 bench appearance, a 10 who had never played 10 before and a loanee from bucs. Having said that, our starting front row all had 49 appearances or over, although not regular 1st
choice players. The bulk of this squad play for different teams in the lower leagues and it sounds like
the lack of time together showed.
“Yes , that was evident. We had at least half a dozen first teamers & several who are e not far off. There was a huge difference in the experience & capability of the squads. It would have been a much more competitive match had you not had to put out two teams over 2 days. I don’t think we can draw too many conclusions from our performance but it gave a lot of promising players an opportunity which they took effectively”
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Firstly - well done. You have great strength in depth.
And yes, it was a struggle for Bris to get two squads out. In this one there were 6 debutants and 5 who have only 1 bench appearance, a 10 who had never played 10 before and a loanee from bucs. Having said that, our starting front row all had 49 appearances or over, although not regular 1st
choice players. The bulk of this squad play for different teams in the lower leagues and it sounds like
the lack of time together showed.
“Yes , that was evident. We had at least half a dozen first teamers & several who are e not far off. There was a huge difference in the experience & capability of the squads. It would have been a much more competitive match had you not had to put out two teams over 2 days. I don’t think we can draw too many conclusions from our performance but it gave a lot of promising players an opportunity which they took effectively”
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Sela had quite a few going over to him I’m guessing to give him some comforting words for what looks like a medium term injury at least.
Good win, it continues to be a joke competition. Prioritised below a friendly with an international A team (I'm not saying Bris are wrong to do so). Their selection is less of a joke than Exeter.
Bath definitely fielded a more experienced selection, but that is not to say that bit was a 23 full of first choices.
Only McConnochie, Barbeary, Bailey & ( arguably ) Richards have been regular members of Premiership 23s. The others with senior experience - Cordwell, Sela, Staddon, TCS, Offiah have a handful of Premiership outings between them.
What is clear is that Bath are developing a strong, experienced Academy with an eye to the future.
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Only McConnochie, Barbeary, Bailey & ( arguably ) Richards have been regular members of Premiership 23s. The others with senior experience - Cordwell, Sela, Staddon, TCS, Offiah have a handful of Premiership outings between them.
What is clear is that Bath are developing a strong, experienced Academy with an eye to the future.
PG
Well I found the whole thing really enjoyable.
Agree with comments above about Remembrance events. Bugler was the best I had ever heard.
I thought the team displayed cohesion, enthusiasm, dynamism and lot s of skill.
A very nearly full Rec, compare with the Stoop with Quins and Ealing, enjoyed the rugby on display.
Unlike comments above I thought Bristol tried hard......there were long periods when they pressurised our line. Where Bath did well was attacking very fast and getting the ball wide. I lost count of the number of difficult conversion from between the touch line ands the five yard line.
I thought it was great fun and as I say above I would like a 2nd Team league played simultaneously with the Premiership. In the past amateur Bath would turn out two or three teams a week. The second team would play other second teams because all the first teamers would be somewhere else.......ie no Exeter team
Agree with comments above about Remembrance events. Bugler was the best I had ever heard.
I thought the team displayed cohesion, enthusiasm, dynamism and lot s of skill.
A very nearly full Rec, compare with the Stoop with Quins and Ealing, enjoyed the rugby on display.
Unlike comments above I thought Bristol tried hard......there were long periods when they pressurised our line. Where Bath did well was attacking very fast and getting the ball wide. I lost count of the number of difficult conversion from between the touch line ands the five yard line.
I thought it was great fun and as I say above I would like a 2nd Team league played simultaneously with the Premiership. In the past amateur Bath would turn out two or three teams a week. The second team would play other second teams because all the first teamers would be somewhere else.......ie no Exeter team
In view of all the Lawrence rumours...how did the centres play as a combination? Sadly I was unable to watch yesterday.
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Well I found the whole thing really enjoyable.
Agree with comments above about Remembrance events. Bugler was the best I had ever heard.
I thought the team displayed cohesion, enthusiasm, dynamism and lot s of skill.
A very nearly full Rec, compare with the Stoop with Quins and Ealing, enjoyed the rugby on display.
Unlike comments above I thought Bristol tried hard......there were long periods when they pressurised our line. Where Bath did well was attacking very fast and getting the ball wide. I lost count of the number of difficult conversion from between the touch line ands the five yard line.
I thought it was great fun and as I say above I would like a 2nd Team league played simultaneously with the Premiership. In the past amateur Bath would turn out two or three teams a week. The second team would play other second teams because all the first teamers would be somewhere else.......ie no Exeter team
Back then the squads were no more than 18, now you need 23 plus probably a travelling reserve prop and hooker at least, so say 26.
Playing the same day simply isn't practical, but if you play on a Monday, then you start to clash with the BUCS matches.
I do agree that more A team games are needed though.
Thing is DB I think it would be better if squads were not 23 but 17 with no substitution so all players have to play for 80+ minutes. Different shaped players, less intensity, less injuries etc, etc.
We pay a bit more for our season tickets and see twice as many games. The "bit extra" is all profit.....etc, etc
We pay a bit more for our season tickets and see twice as many games. The "bit extra" is all profit.....etc, etc
Couldn't find any highlights of the Ampthill game and seemingly nothing for yesterday's match. Think it might have been Pirates who wanted to stream their first game for £7 but the TNT contract precluded this. Basically, it's a tournament that couldn't be more anonymous if it tried. Those with TNT will know but it seems there's one, perhaps two of the 10 fixtures each round that are televised and if there are highlights elsewhere I can't find them. I get that you restrict access to the internationals if you're a broadcaster paying big sums for exclusive rights, but you can no longer get whole Prem games shown a few days after the matches and a tournament largely seen as a development competition is nowhere to be seen. No wonder rugby is struggling to broaden its fan base.
As I mentioned above similar games at the Rec are often on Youtube. There are some round 1 highlights on the Premiership rugby site but I think only from grounds that have the facilities so probably only home games. Often a delay so leave it till Monday or Tuesday. Premiership rugby cup highlights
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As I mentioned above similar games at the Rec are often on Youtube. There are some round 1 highlights on the Premiership rugby site but I think only from grounds that have the facilities so probably only home games. Often a delay so leave it till Monday or Tuesday. Premiership rugby cup highlights
Are these the ones that were televised anyway or are there extra matches.
Seems a shame that we can't get highlights but I understand why TNT might not want to go to great lengths and cost to televise what is, in essence, United-level rugby.
I'd understand that but you can watch footage of Championship games on YouTube presumably taken by the clubs. I'm assuming (But could be wrong) that TNT aren't allowing this for some reason and that would fit in with The Pirates not being allowed to stream their opening game. Bristol's game was briefly available in its entirety but removed, presumably for copyright reasons?
Beat me to it.
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Yeah, but you did it better 
A good watch - some nice scores.
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A good watch - some nice scores.
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Yes some lovely scores there, forwards and backs combining nicely for many of those.
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Ewan Richards (we forget his is only 22!) gets strong praise from Andy Robinson.
Billy Sela out for two months same link above.
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Billy Sela out for two months same link above.
Quote:Ah come on, it’s played at a higher quality than Man United.The BearQuote:shipwrecked
As I mentioned above similar games at the Rec are often on Youtube. There are some round 1 highlights on the Premiership rugby site but I think only from grounds that have the facilities so probably only home games. Often a delay so leave it till Monday or Tuesday. Premiership rugby cup highlights
Are these the ones that were televised anyway or are there extra matches.
Seems a shame that we can't get highlights but I understand why TNT might not want to go to great lengths and cost to televise what is, in essence, United-level rugby.
Sela must be gutted having to withdraw from England A. He looked devastated at the weekend (from the other side of the pitch mind). Come back stronger.
Quote:RawceQuote:Ah come on, it’s played at a higher quality than Man United.The BearQuote:shipwrecked
As I mentioned above similar games at the Rec are often on Youtube. There are some round 1 highlights on the Premiership rugby site but I think only from grounds that have the facilities so probably only home games. Often a delay so leave it till Monday or Tuesday. Premiership rugby cup highlights
Are these the ones that were televised anyway or are there extra matches.
Seems a shame that we can't get highlights but I understand why TNT might not want to go to great lengths and cost to televise what is, in essence, United-level rugby.
That made me chuckle, ty
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