European Challenge Cup and Champions Cup Draws


European Challenge Cup

By Andrew Collins
June 10 2014

Cardiff Blues have been given a favourable draw in their first season out of the top tier of European Rugby, while the Dragons have been less fortunate…

Cardiff Blues have been drawn again Aviva Premiership’s London Irish, Grenoble of France and FIRA 1 – a team yet to be confirmed, but will be decided by a play-off at a later date. ERC have not yet announced the teams who will be involved in that play-off, however it is likely to be from Romania, Georgia or Spain.

The Dragons, meanwhile, have been drawn alongside Stade Francias, Newcastle Falcons and FIRA 2 – the second of 2 play-off qualifiers.

As with the European Champions Cup, pools are drawn using tiered rankings, with the top 5 rated teams making up the ‘Tier 1’ teams, the next 5 made up ‘Tier 2’ and so on. Rankings are based on each team’s success in recent European competitions. Thanks to the Blues’ relatively good European form over the past 5 years, they were in the top tier meaning they could not be drawn against fellow Tier 1 sides Exeter Chiefs – who did the double on the us in last season’s Heineken Cup – Stade Francais, Edinburgh Rugby and Gloucester Rugby.

The full European Rugby Challenge Cup draw is as follows:

Pool 1

Cardiff Blues
London irish
Grenoble
FIRA 1

Pool 2

Exeter Chiefs
Bayonne
Connacht
La Rochelle

Pool 3

Stade Francias
Newport Gwent Dragons
Newcastle
FIRA 2

Pool 4

Edinburgh Rugby
Bordeaux Begles
London Welsh
Lyon

Pool 5

Gloucester Rugby
Brive
Zebre
Oyonnax

 

In the European Champions Cup, the Scarlets have been drawn in a jaw-droppingly tough pool, while the Ospreys may struggle to qualify from Pool 5. Here’s the full European Rugby Champions Cup line up:

Pool 1

Saracens
Munster
Clermont
Sale

Pool 2

Leinster
Castres
Harlequins
London Wasps

Pool 3

Toulon
Leicester
Ulster
Scarlets

Pool 4

Glasgow
Montpelier
Bath
Tolouse

Pool 5

Northampton
Racing Metro
Ospreys
Treviso

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European Challenge Cup and Champions Cup Draws
Discussion started by theArmsPark.co.uk , 10/06/2014 14:01
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cardiffsteve
10/06/2014 15:34
I suppose this'll start in October?

Its June, and theres still not even a hint of who the FIRA teams might be or how they'll be selected. Pretty poor.

Best guess is some Italian, Romanian and maybe Spanish and Portuguese teams in some play offs September. But nobody knows.

Cardifflose
10/06/2014 16:15
Same as ERC, start mid Oct but ends in April, FIRA were in Amlin and played off to be in that so again nothing new so no worry.
Likely to be Valencia, Bucarest or Italian TI10 team Viadanna etc.....

capsgon
10/06/2014 16:22
Decent draw for us

cardiffsteve
10/06/2014 17:32
Quote:
Cardifflose
Same as ERC, start mid Oct but ends in April, FIRA were in Amlin and played off to be in that so again nothing new so no worry.
Likely to be Valencia, Bucarest or Italian TI10 team Viadanna etc.....

I'm not sure thats true. Think the play offs are a new innovation.

Cardifflose
10/06/2014 20:35
Don't even know why I used the term played off! Sorry cardiffsteve smiling smiley
But am sure it will be sorted, this certainly didn't have the feel of a thrown together cup, and looking at the top tier comp can't wary to be back in that would love us to be in group 1 or 3 full house every game

Cardifflose
10/06/2014 20:37
Also prob no announcement yet as FIRA is being replaced shortly possibly by ECCR

ATTR
10/06/2014 23:06
Winnable group. Must be the (minimum) target.

Rich.
11/06/2014 07:53
Absolutely. We need a season of advancement with a new DOR and being in the Challenge Cup (and able to challenge in it!) will be best IMO.

theArmsPark.co.uk Admin
13/06/2014 11:20
I didn't relaise that there won't be any Champions Cup drop downs, as previously with HEC.

In other words, we should genuinely target winning this competition - no disrespect menat to any other sides, but we are capable of beating every team in that draw on our day, and if we can build on the end of season form then this could be an exciting and prosperous tournament for us!

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wales606
13/06/2014 12:40
Agree, Stade and Gloucester look like the biggest threats - and both should be beatable

Rich.
13/06/2014 13:06
Quote:
theArmsPark.co.uk Admin
I didn't relaise that there won't be any Champions Cup drop downs, as previously with HEC.
In other words, we should genuinely target winning this competition - no disrespect menat to any other sides, but we are capable of beating every team in that draw on our day, and if we can build on the end of season form then this could be an exciting and prosperous tournament for us!

Yes I hadn't realised about the non-drop down either! I've got mixed feelings on that but yes it helps our chances for sure

ATTR
13/06/2014 21:25
I think it was one of the issues. I think it right and proper that there is not a second bite of the cherry. That all said acknowledging we were beneficiaries of it a few years ago.

Cardifflose
14/06/2014 09:26
It might be something they add in the future I hope they don't

cardiffsteve
18/06/2014 17:31
Seems there'll be a play off between two Italian semi pro clubs, a Romanian side and a Georgian side.

cardiffsteve
24/06/2014 11:41
More deatil here, but not official yet.

[tier2rugby.blogspot.co.uk]

So for us, it could be a Georgian side, a Portuguese side, or Rovigo from Italy.

bert68
28/06/2014 17:34
[Quote]Rankings are based on each team’s success in recent European competitions. Thanks to the Blues’ relatively good European form over the past 5 years,[/quote]

The rankings are based on the previous seasons league position, not on previous European success

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